Guest MikeSC Report post Posted October 14, 2004 Guess who won according to the MSNBC.com poll. Gee, stunning revelation. -=Mike Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rob E Dangerously 0 Report post Posted October 14, 2004 and Joe Scarborough is in his home in Pensacola making the Mr. Burns hand gesture. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NoCalMike 0 Report post Posted October 14, 2004 Well, for the first time, FOX sees an outright ass-kicking by Bush. -=Mike you don't say.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest MikeSC Report post Posted October 14, 2004 Well, for the first time, FOX sees an outright ass-kicking by Bush. -=Mike you don't say.... They didn't the first two times. And why are the Dems so obsessed with Cheney's gay daughter? Can't we have a debate without blatant gay-baiting? -=Mike Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DerangedHermit 0 Report post Posted October 14, 2004 Well, for the first time, FOX sees an outright ass-kicking by Bush. -=Mike you don't say.... Next thing he'll tell us is that the sun will rise tomorrow. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rob E Dangerously 0 Report post Posted October 14, 2004 wait.. so.. there'll be a 5 trillion dollar increase.. with $7000 per family is that right? dividing 5 trillion by 7000 comes out with 714.3 million Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Justice 0 Report post Posted October 14, 2004 wait.. so.. there'll be a 5 trillion dollar increase.. with $7000 per family is that right? dividing 5 trillion by 7000 comes out with 714.3 million I thought it was 700,000. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NoCalMike 0 Report post Posted October 14, 2004 Well, for the first time, FOX sees an outright ass-kicking by Bush. -=Mike you don't say.... They didn't the first two times. And why are the Dems so obsessed with Cheney's gay daughter? Can't we have a debate without blatant gay-baiting? -=Mike they didn't say it was an "out-right asskicking" but they tried to skew it like Bush won on substance, and Kerry won on style, when clearly Kerry won the first debate by a landslide. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rob E Dangerously 0 Report post Posted October 14, 2004 wait.. so.. there'll be a 5 trillion dollar increase.. with $7000 per family is that right? dividing 5 trillion by 7000 comes out with 714.3 million I thought it was 700,000. that could make sense unless we have 714 million families in America Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest MikeSC Report post Posted October 14, 2004 Well, for the first time, FOX sees an outright ass-kicking by Bush. -=Mike you don't say.... They didn't the first two times. And why are the Dems so obsessed with Cheney's gay daughter? Can't we have a debate without blatant gay-baiting? -=Mike they didn't say it was an "out-right asskicking" but they tried to skew it like Bush won on substance, and Kerry won on style, when clearly Kerry won the first debate by a landslide. Yeah, because YOU think so. Bush won on substance in the first debate (notice that the ONLY thing the Dems criticized in the 1st debate was Bush's facial expressions. Kerry has yet to do shit in terms of substance... -=Mike Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rob E Dangerously 0 Report post Posted October 14, 2004 and a quickpoll on CNN says 52-39 Kerry (out of 511 voters) B/K I: 54-36 Kerry (if I recall correctly) B/K II: 47-45 Kerry B/K III: 52-39 Kerry and.. CBS News Poll Kerry 39 Bush 25 ABC News Kerry 42 Bush 41 internals: 38% GOP 30% Dem 28% Independent Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rob E Dangerously 0 Report post Posted October 14, 2004 Coming up later on CNN: Ann Coulter and Jesse Jackson.. at the same time (supposedly) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DerangedHermit 0 Report post Posted October 14, 2004 Coming up later on CNN: Ann Coulter and Jesse Jackson.. at the same time (supposedly) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rob E Dangerously 0 Report post Posted October 14, 2004 Coulter v. Jackson should top Coulter v. Begala (I doubt they'll be in the same place) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
teke184 0 Report post Posted October 14, 2004 Coulter v. Jackson should top Coulter v. Begala (I doubt they'll be in the same place) If they're in the same place, THERE WILL BE ONLY ONE~! My money's on Ann... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cbacon 0 Report post Posted October 14, 2004 Coming up later on CNN: Ann Coulter and Jesse Jackson.. at the same time (supposedly) Jesus Christ. Has this already happened? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rob E Dangerously 0 Report post Posted October 14, 2004 it's coming up.. just turn there now and wait for it Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rob E Dangerously 0 Report post Posted October 14, 2004 this Jesse/Coulter split-screen is creepy Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DerangedHermit 0 Report post Posted October 14, 2004 this Jesse/Coulter split-screen is creepy They're both possessed Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rob E Dangerously 0 Report post Posted October 14, 2004 if Jesse Jackson and Ann Coulter had a show together, it'd be entertaining. Until one murders another. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Niggardly King 0 Report post Posted October 14, 2004 Could anybody imagine what would happened if the role were reversed? If Edwards had the lesbian daughter and Bush would mention...that would be all over the news. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DerangedHermit 0 Report post Posted October 14, 2004 if Jesse Jackson and Ann Coulter had a show together, it'd be entertaining. Until one murders another. Actually replace Jesse with Mikey Moore...both equally annoying....actually, nix that. They probably fight and then fuck Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Styles 0 Report post Posted October 14, 2004 Well, I watched this debate as part of a large group of students, and then filled out a survey for extra credit in my Communication class. Def. the worst of all the debates. The other students spent a lot of time laughing and groaning at both guys at various points. Bush saying for healthy people not to get flue shots got huge laughter. Bush looked very upbeat and even hyper, but Kerry clearly has the better debate style sounding like he knows what he's talking about, even if what he's saying is BS. Another Cheney daughter cheapshot by this ticket. Lovely, I hope they feel proud of themselves... I thought Bush handled tough questions about abortion, supreme court apppointments and gay marriage very well, and while Kerry might have been more direct, his answers we're as with much conviction. Overall, I felt it was similar to the first debate in that Bush wins on substance, Kerry on presentation. I don't know how much of a difference this will make EDIT: I should also mention that even though the majority of the room laughed and mocked at a lot of Bush's trip ups and anwers, after talking about how he loves his wife and daughters, all the girls in the room seemed to really warm to him and "awwwwed". The room all audibly groaned when Kerry mentioned Cheney's daughter. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Styles 0 Report post Posted October 14, 2004 Could anybody imagine what would happened if the role were reversed? If Edwards had the lesbian daughter and Bush would mention...that would be all over the news. Edwards had a young son that died. If Cheney or Bush wanted to go low they could mention his dead son in some argument about healthcare or whatever, as a counter to Cheney's gay daughter cheapshots. But they don't. Bush and Cheney have more class and compassion than to embarass and upset someone like that... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DerangedHermit 0 Report post Posted October 14, 2004 Could anybody imagine what would happened if the role were reversed? If Edwards had the lesbian daughter and Bush would mention...that would be all over the news. Edwards had a young son that died. If Cheney or Bush wanted to go low they could mention his dead son in some argument about healthcare or whatever, as a counter to Cheney's gay daughter cheapshots. But they don't. Bush and Cheney have more class and compassion than to embarass and upset someone like that... That's a different matter entirely. Mentioning someone's sexual orientation still is less taboo than bringing up the dead Edit: I don't know how else to word that.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Styles 0 Report post Posted October 14, 2004 Could anybody imagine what would happened if the role were reversed? If Edwards had the lesbian daughter and Bush would mention...that would be all over the news. Edwards had a young son that died. If Cheney or Bush wanted to go low they could mention his dead son in some argument about healthcare or whatever, as a counter to Cheney's gay daughter cheapshots. But they don't. Bush and Cheney have more class and compassion than to embarass and upset someone like that... That's a different matter entirely. Mentioning someone's sexual orientation still is less taboo than bringing up the dead Edit: I don't know how else to word that.... From an article about Edward's son: Edwards refuses to say how or if his son's death is related to his political career. "That's personal and private to me, and I don't want to talk about it," Edwards says. Same standard should apply to Dick Cheney. It's a personal issue to him, that he didn't want to be made a political issue, and chose not to bring it up. It's not appropriate for Edwards/Kerry to do so especially in the smug way they did (i.e. "hey all you hardcore religious Republican, did you know that the Vice President's daughter is GAY?"). If Bush or Cheney wanted to be assholes they could have politicised Edwards' son in an argument for, whatever, auto safety standards, healthcare, whatever. They didn't. That's the point. Kerry and Edwards should be ashamed of themselves. It was a cheapshot. TWICE. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bob_barron 0 Report post Posted October 14, 2004 Well Edwards' son in a car accident- so they couldn't really. But bringing up Cheney's daughter is disgusting. Everyone but NY Untouchable seems to understand that. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bob_barron 0 Report post Posted October 14, 2004 Edwards even said if any of his staffers mention his dead son or anything- he'd fire them on the spot. I LOVED how in last week's debate Cheney was like: Yea- thanks for trying to bait me you asshole. Next question. Why can't the media harp on this? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
snuffbox 0 Report post Posted October 14, 2004 ABC News Kerry 42 Bush 41 internals: 38% GOP 30% Dem 28% Independent Wow...Kerry even narrowly won such a Republican-heavy poll... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Niggardly King 0 Report post Posted October 14, 2004 I LOVED how in last week's debate Cheney was like: Yea- thanks for trying to bait me you asshole. Next question. Why can't the media harp on this? Because most people buy into as respectful. Plus you can't say anything about Edwards/Kerry without getting harped on yourself. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
