It's your final chance

[2GOLD 0]

Well I'm not Republican so I can see clear. You are insane.

[Guest Salacious Crumb]

Wow Republicans are blind. Kerry may have flip flopped as a senator but you know what he did...he changed his mind. Why? Because the origional plan was NOT working! You are all right that Bush is consistent, Consistently WRONG! He has not made 1 correct decision in office! He is an idiot in every sense of the word. Completely LIED and went to war for NO reason. Listen you Republicans seem like a stupid bunch after all your leader cannot say nuclear correctly and he was caught waving at Stevie Wonder. You like this guy because even though he is wrong as hell he believes in everything he is doing but the problem is he is still WRONG! The truth is Kerry can't do worse then Bush because he is not as retarded! So with all of you Bush followers being decendants of Helen Keller here is what I want you to do because this is how you benifit America on November 2nd. STAY HOME! You want to help America then do not vote! Masterbate all day, get drunk, get stoned I don't care just stay home and do not vote so that America can get a man with a brain in the office of President!

I suggest you take your own advice and not pollute the voter pool with your idiocy.

 

And please learn what a paragraph is so reading your post isn't extra tedious.

[Guest MikeSC]

I'd vote for Bush if I wanted another 9/11 to happen seeing as he was sitting on a ranch ignoring reports of impending terrorist attacks in 2001. Not to mention the fact that while we were under attack he sat reading about a goat and then took photos for 20 minutes.

 

 

Thank you, Michael Moore, for that factually inaccurate and logically silly argument.

I'd vote for Bush if I wanted the economy to grow worse and worse.

Hmm, numbers are better than Clinton's when he ran for re-election in 1996. Odd.

I'd vote for Bush if I was wealthy and could sit comfortably on my ass enjoying my tax cut.

The "wealthy" work far harder than you do.

I'd vote for Bush if I was a religious nut who felt the country should be governed theocratically rather than democratically.

Except a) he doesn't and b) Kerry has made claims that he is driven by a higher power also.

 

But, unlike with Bush, you know Kerry doesn't mean it.

 

Oh, and feel free to back this up. Any of it. It will at least for for some entertainment.

 

All I know is that if GreatOne is banned and this waste of sperm and egg is not, there is something wrong.

I'd vote for Bush if I was ignorant to the existence of other countries on this planet who disagreed with our motives and our reckless endangerement of civilians and soldiers in countries like Iraq and Afghanistan.

Ah, driving out the Taliban is now a bad thing.

 

I suppose I'd vote for Kerry if tyrannical, murderous dictators gave me a woodie.

I'd vote for Bush if I wanted America to conquer other nations like Nazi Germany did in the 1930's and 40's.

Funny, Afghanistan had its elections. Iraq is having its elections. Strange.

I'd vote for Bush if I wanted people with cureable illnesses to keep suffering and innevitably die because of his innability to respect science and medicine and let them do their jobs.

You do realize that stem cells have never been proven to actually cure squat, right?

 

You are also aware that Bush is the first President to permit ANY federal funding for the research, right?

 

You are also aware that no stem cell research has been barred, right?

 

I'll just give you something to think about: If stem cells WERE such a panacaea, drug companies would be investing in them heavily. Do you know how much money a cure for Alzheimer's would make?

I'd vote for Bush if I wanted our environmental efforts to plumet throwing 30 years of work down the drain.

Yet our environment is clean.

I'd vote for Bush if I wanted to keep relying on other nations for their oil rather then expanding the technological capabilities to produce new sources of energy and apply them in every day life.

I'd vote for Kerry if the idea of making certain that we have to rely on foreign oil made me all warm and fuzzy inside.

I'd vote for Bush if I wanted to be stripped of my civil and constitutional rights.

 

I'd vote for Bush if I wanted everything I watched or read to be censored and dictated vaguely by government officials who were never voted into their positions.

 

I'd vote for Bush if I wanted the country to be as divided as it's been since the Iraq war started.

 

I'd vote for Bush if I was opposed to homosexuals being entitled to the same rights of you or me or anybody else in this country because of the simple fact that they are human beings not unlike ourselves.

 

I'd vote for Bush if I wanted to repeat the same mistakes from history over and over again.

 

I'd vote for Bush but thankfully I'm not going to because I know better.

Kerry: A Candidate for the Ill-Informed

 

BTW, where is NYU discussing arrogant expressions of opinion? Or is it only I who do that?

 

Oh, and Kerry opposes gay marriage. Just to clarify.

Wow Republicans are blind. Kerry may have flip flopped as a senator but you know what he did...he changed his mind.

He has changed it back and forth. Repeatedly.

You are all right that Bush is consistent, Consistently WRONG!

Ooooh TAG~!

He has not made 1 correct decision in office!

Wow, not one single correct decision? Astonishing. So, legalizing funding of stem cell research was the wrong thing to do?

He is an idiot in every sense of the word.

Well, I'll just bow to your expertise in idiocy...

Completely LIED and went to war for NO reason.

Because the idea of helping people with darker skin tones is a bad idea to the left.

Listen you Republicans seem like a stupid bunch after all your leader cannot say nuclear correctly and he was caught waving at Stevie Wonder

There is a difference. Republicans "seem" like a stupid bunch.

 

One need not use "Seem" when discussing your stupidity.

You like this guy because even though he is wrong as hell he believes in everything he is doing but the problem is he is still WRONG!

Wow, that is some good analysis there.

The truth is Kerry can't do worse then Bush because he is not as retarded!

His speaking style actually indicates a profound lack of intellect. Intelligence allows one to make the complex clear. He makes the clear complex.

So with all of you Bush followers being decendants of Helen Keller here is what I want you to do because this is how you benifit America on November 2nd.

Blind and deaf = stupid? Got it.

 

BTW, you're aware that Keller was actually an avowed Socialist in her adulthood, right?

 

Also, avoid typos when railing on the idiocy of others. And, for the love of God, punctuation is your friend.

You want to help America then do not vote! Masterbate all day, get drunk, get stoned I don't care just stay home and do not vote so that America can get a man with a brain in the office of President!

I'll stay home if you do. How's that for an offer?

-=Mike

[Kahran Ramsus 0]

Reason to Vote for Kerry: Packers 28, Redskins 14

[Styles 0]

Wow Republicans are blind. Kerry may have flip flopped as a senator but you know what he did...he changed his mind. Why? Because the origional plan was NOT working! You are all right that Bush is consistent, Consistently WRONG! He has not made 1 correct decision in office! He is an idiot in every sense of the word. Completely LIED and went to war for NO reason. Listen you Republicans seem like a stupid bunch after all your leader cannot say nuclear correctly and he was caught waving at Stevie Wonder. You like this guy because even though he is wrong as hell he believes in everything he is doing but the problem is he is still WRONG! The truth is Kerry can't do worse then Bush because he is not as retarded! So with all of you Bush followers being decendants of Helen Keller here is what I want you to do because this is how you benifit America on November 2nd. STAY HOME! You want to help America then do not vote! Masterbate all day, get drunk, get stoned I don't care just stay home and do not vote so that America can get a man with a brain in the office of President!

You're just the kind of insane ranting lunatic that drives independents to vote for Bush. Thanks!

[Guest Stranger]

He has changed it back and forth. Repeatedly.

 

Bush is consistent, consistently WRONG! Kerry changes his mind because plan A wasn't working. Bush feels that we should be "steady as she goes" even if its right off the fucking planet. Big Difference!

 

Wow, not one single correct decision? Astonishing. So, legalizing funding of stem cell research was the wrong thing to do?

 

Oh yeah he legalized it but made sure it had no funding, good call!

 

Because the idea of helping people with darker skin tones is a bad idea to the left.

 

Helping them? Helping them? Wow you are brainwashed! We have killed more innocent people over there then we have helped! Its not about helping people with a dark skin tone, besides southern right wingers still think people with dark skin should be slaves so shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh. There was NO reason to go to Iraq, NONE! The facts have shown that again and again and again and we are hated by the world and now more countries want to take us out because of our "liberation tactics" a.k.a. personal vandetta that cost over 1150 American soldiers and thousands of Iraqi Citizens their lives for NOTHING!

 

 

His speaking style actually indicates a profound lack of intellect. Intelligence allows one to make the complex clear. He makes the clear complex.

 

Oh yeah speaking without stuttering and using words with more then 5 letters in it is very complex. Why are you defending this guy? Are you paying 80 cents for gas or something while the rest of us are paying way over 2 dollars. Has your minimum wage went up while ours is still at $5.15? You are looking for excuses to keep Bush in office and excuses are the nails that biult the house of failure and that is exactly what 'Dubya' is! A FAILURE! The time is NOW for a change and if you don't see it then do STAY HOME because not voting is helping the country more then voting for George Bush!

 

 

Hmm, numbers are better than Clinton's when he ran for re-election in 1996. Odd.

 

 

Your right but Clinton GAINED jobs he didn't LOSE 800,000 like Bush did also the stock market rose big time on election day and the day after election day in 96. Clinton was fighting a recession then and was winning. Bush is fighting a recession now and is losing big time.

 

Except a) he doesn't and b) Kerry has made claims that he is driven by a higher power also

 

But, unlike with Bush, you know Kerry doesn't mean it.

 

Oh, and feel free to back this up. Any of it. It will at least for for some entertainment. 

 

Dude I'm a Roman Catholic, a loose Roman Catholic just like Kerry. Kerry believes in God but he certantly is NOT going to make that his number 1 force in his decision making and I wouldn't either.

 

Ah, driving out the Taliban is now a bad thing.

 

I suppose I'd vote for Kerry if tyrannical, murderous dictators gave me a woodie.

 

I supported going to Afghanistan because that made sense but Iraq made no sense then and it makes less sense now especially concidering we know Iraq had NOTHING to do with 9/11!

 

Funny, Afghanistan had its elections. Iraq is having its elections. Strange.

 

Yes good for Afghanistan but because we switched gears and went to Iraq for no reason Bin Laden is still alive and now there is a new tape out. Good job George!

 

You do realize that stem cells have never been proven to actually cure squat, right?

 

You are also aware that Bush is the first President to permit ANY federal funding for the research, right?

 

You are also aware that no stem cell research has been barred, right?

 

I'll just give you something to think about: If stem cells WERE such a panacaea, drug companies would be investing in them heavily. Do you know how much money a cure for Alzheimer's would make? 

 

Actually they have been prooven to help and cures are possible. Also pharmacutical companies are investing stem cells you just have to give it time to see what they come up with.

 

Yet our environment is clean.

 

Clean yeah with Global Warming become a bigger threat and the O-zone becoming smaller and smaller but whatever George tells you you believe so go for it man.

 

I'd vote for Kerry if the idea of making certain that we have to rely on foreign oil made me all warm and fuzzy inside.

 

Huh?

 

Kerry: A Candidate for the Ill-Informed

 

BTW, where is NYU discussing arrogant expressions of opinion? Or is it only I who do that?

 

Oh, and Kerry opposes gay marriage. Just to clarify.

 

 

Kerry is a candidate for the ill-informed lololol. That is the funniest and dumbest thing ever said ever!!! If you don't mind me asking where are you from because what is in the water where you live that makes you think Bush is doing a good job? Bush is a candidate for the blind and retarded!

 

Kerry is for Gay Civil Unions which is a good thing!

 

There you go. Have fun defending your precious "Father George" while I will have fun watching him leave the White House!

[2GOLD 0]

Actually, Bush doesn't seem to give a damn about civil unions. It's marriages he doesn't like. Kerry and Bush are equal on this subject so why Democrats even bring it up is just a head shaker to me.

 

And as much as I support stem cell research, I don't think I can say it will cure everything until 10 years of research has been done. Bush may not have given tons of money, but he did allow some money in. I'm not happy with some of the restrictions he put on, but I still don't believe for a second that Kerry will open the flood gates of funding.

 

The main thing that pissed me off about Bush was his purposed amendment about gay marriage. That is one of the reason he will not get my vote.

[Guest MikeSC]

He has changed it back and forth. Repeatedly.

 

Bush is consistent, consistently WRONG! Kerry changes his mind because plan A wasn't working.

So, the first Gulf War, which had a litany of allies and UN support, was bad --- but the second one, which was "unilateral" (one must ignore all of the countries involved) was worth voting for. But not worth funding. But their lack of funding is a problem. Saddam wasn't a threat, except he was one, only he wasn't one. We did the right thing in "outsourcing" the Tora Bora operation to Afghan warlords, except when it wasn't. Bush jumps into things without knowing the facts, except Kerry likes to chastise Bush about stories with little actual factual basis.

 

Yup, thank God he changed his mind for logical reasons.

Bush feels that we should be "steady as she goes" even if its right off the fucking planet. Big Difference!

Hmm, Kerry allegedly proposes INCREASING troop numbers in Iraq (plan subject to change). Kerry plans on working with the allies, even though many of his plans have already been shot down by the allies.

Wow, not one single correct decision? Astonishing. So, legalizing funding of stem cell research was the wrong thing to do?

Oh yeah he legalized it but made sure it had no funding, good call!

He actually did fund them --- first President ever to do so.

Because the idea of helping people with darker skin tones is a bad idea to the left.

Helping them? Helping them?

Bringing democracy is pretty damned helpful.

Wow you are brainwashed!

That's harsh. Truly.

We have killed more innocent people over there then we have helped!

And you call others brainwashed. Delicious irony.

Its not about helping people with a dark skin tone, besides southern right wingers still think people with dark skin should be slaves so shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

News to us Southern right wingers.

 

BTW, at least MY party lacks a former Klansman in the Senate.

There was NO reason to go to Iraq, NONE!

Because those dark-skinned people LOVE being buried in mass graves. Makes them happy and joyous.

The facts have shown that again and again and again and we are hated by the world and now more countries want to take us out because of our "liberation tactics" a.k.a. personal vandetta that cost over 1150 American soldiers and thousands of Iraqi Citizens their lives for NOTHING!

We're hated by the world because we'll actually DO something. Doing nothing is a shockingly popular option.

His speaking style actually indicates a profound lack of intellect. Intelligence allows one to make the complex clear. He makes the clear complex.

Oh yeah speaking without stuttering and using words with more then 5 letters in it is very complex.

Even his own supporters state that he has a WAY too complex speaking style, where he'll spend 3 minutes saying something that requires 10 seconds to utter.

Why are you defending this guy? Are you paying 80 cents for gas or something while the rest of us are paying way over 2 dollars.

Yup. Jealous?

Has your minimum wage went up while ours is still at $5.15?

Yours is 5.25, isn't it?

 

And, yes, mine has gone up, too. Big-time.

You are looking for excuses to keep Bush in office and excuses are the nails that biult the house of failure and that is exactly what 'Dubya' is!

Nah. I just want somebody who will actually put America first in the White House. Call me silly like that.

A FAILURE! The time is NOW for a change and if you don't see it then do STAY HOME because not voting is helping the country more then voting for George Bush!

Again, I'll stay home if you will. I have a view on total idiots not voting for the sake of the country. I hope you will honor that.

Hmm, numbers are better than Clinton's when he ran for re-election in 1996. Odd.

Your right but Clinton GAINED jobs he didn't LOSE 800,000 like Bush did also the stock market rose big time on election day and the day after election day in 96.

Bush only had a terrorist threat ignored by Clinton to deal with. Corporate corruption that was ignored by Clinton. An economy in recession that was ignored by Clinton.

Clinton was fighting a recession then and was winning. Bush is fighting a recession now and is losing big time.

Actually, Clinton got an economy in full recovery in 1992.

Except a) he doesn't and b) Kerry has made claims that he is driven by a higher power also

 

But, unlike with Bush, you know Kerry doesn't mean it.

 

Oh, and feel free to back this up. Any of it. It will at least for for some entertainment. 

Dude I'm a Roman Catholic, a loose Roman Catholic just like Kerry.

Wow. This is me not caring. So you're a pseudo-Catholic. You like calling yourself a Catholic without honoring any of the tenets of the Church.

 

Go you!

Kerry believes in God but he certantly is NOT going to make that his number 1 force in his decision making and I wouldn't either.

Bush obviously isn't, either --- you know, funding stem cell research, which he personally and morally opposes.

Ah, driving out the Taliban is now a bad thing.

 

I suppose I'd vote for Kerry if tyrannical, murderous dictators gave me a woodie.

I supported going to Afghanistan because that made sense but Iraq made no sense then and it makes less sense now especially concidering we know Iraq had NOTHING to do with 9/11!

Missed that whole "We make no distinction between terrorists and those who support terrorists, eh?"

Funny, Afghanistan had its elections. Iraq is having its elections. Strange.

Yes good for Afghanistan but because we switched gears and went to Iraq for no reason Bin Laden is still alive and now there is a new tape out. Good job George!

And OBL has done SO much. He's SUCH a massive problem. The world is going to end because we didn't catch him. How will we ever survive?

You do realize that stem cells have never been proven to actually cure squat, right?

 

You are also aware that Bush is the first President to permit ANY federal funding for the research, right?

 

You are also aware that no stem cell research has been barred, right?

 

I'll just give you something to think about: If stem cells WERE such a panacaea, drug companies would be investing in them heavily. Do you know how much money a cure for Alzheimer's would make? 

Actually they have been prooven to help and cures are possible.

Provide ONE medical study saying that they will provide assistance for any condition. They admit, freely, they have no clue if it will help a damned thing.

Also pharmacutical companies are investing stem cells you just have to give it time to see what they come up with.

Then the gov't needs to fund it for what reason, precisely?

Yet our environment is clean.

Clean yeah with Global Warming become a bigger threat and the O-zone becoming smaller and smaller but whatever George tells you you believe so go for it man.

Let me guess, you REALLY liked "Day After Tomorrow", didn't ya?

 

News flash: Global warming is still nothing but a theory. The ozone "hole" did not, technically, EXIST.

Kerry: A Candidate for the Ill-Informed

 

BTW, where is NYU discussing arrogant expressions of opinion? Or is it only I who do that?

 

Oh, and Kerry opposes gay marriage. Just to clarify.

Kerry is a candidate for the ill-informed lololol.

Well, YOU support him...

That is the funniest and dumbest thing ever said ever!!! If you don't mind me asking where are you from because what is in the water where you live that makes you think Bush is doing a good job? Bush is a candidate for the blind and retarded!

Kerry does one brilliant thing: He takes both sides of every single issue, making certain that he can claim to support anything or oppose anything.

 

Sure, it indicates a total absence of any political foundation, but in terms of tactics...

Kerry is for Gay Civil Unions which is a good thing!

 

There you go. Have fun defending your precious "Father George" while I will have fun watching him leave the White House!

I'll miss you when you get banned.

-=Mike

...Really...

[snuffbox 0]

JAxl - Has your own life been good or bad under the presidency of George Bush? This is the question you should ask yourself...if it has been good the last four years and you feel it will improve even more then vote for Bush. If you disagree with him and feel it is time for a change, then vote for Kerry (or a 3rd party candidate who might fit your opinions better).

 

Its that simple...apply Bush's philosophy, policies, and administration to your own life and make your decision based on that. Dont bother with parties or religions or commercials.

 

I feel you should vote for John Kerry. I will vote for John Kerry. But you, and any other undecided, should vote based on your own life situation.

[iggymcfly 0]

I do agree that the Libertarian party needs to make some changes if they want to be taken seriously. For one, they need someone who has some political experience to run for President. Gary Nolan was at least somewhat respectable, and IMO, he would have been a better candidate than Badnarik.

 

However, Bush and Kerry are both so bad and similar that it's just promoting the direction the country's going to vote for either one of them. At least voting for Badnarik sends a message that we won't be happy with the crap that the major parties are feeding us.

 

And as for the "wasting your vote" argument, you're always wasting your vote. One vote's never decided a presidential election, and it never will. At least vote for someone that you feel positive about, and that you think might make some sort of difference in a positive way.

[Guest Stranger]

I'll miss you when you get banned.

 

Before I post my reply..why would I get banned? I didn't do anything except voicing my point of view. I hope I didn't break any forum rules by posting my views, but if I did I appologize..reply is coming shortly..

[AlwaysPissedOff 0]

Its not about helping people with a dark skin tone, besides southern right wingers still think people with dark skin should be slaves so shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.

 

You know what? Fuck you, you spineless, ignorant piece of ratshit.

 

God... that left me so fucking pissed that I can't even put it into words.

[Guest MikeSC]

I'll miss you when you get banned.

 

Before I post my reply..why would I get banned? I didn't do anything except voicing my point of view. I hope I didn't break any forum rules by posting my views, but if I did I appologize..reply is coming shortly..

You're GreatOne-esque in terms of really poor posting.

-=Mike

[snuffbox 0]

I'll miss you when you get banned.

 

Before I post my reply..why would I get banned? I didn't do anything except voicing my point of view. I hope I didn't break any forum rules by posting my views, but if I did I appologize..reply is coming shortly..

You're GreatOne-esque in terms of really poor posting.

-=Mike

Damn, I think you just broke poor greatone's heart.

[2GOLD 0]

I'll miss you when you get banned.

 

Before I post my reply..why would I get banned? I didn't do anything except voicing my point of view. I hope I didn't break any forum rules by posting my views, but if I did I appologize..reply is coming shortly..

You're GreatOne-esque in terms of really poor posting.

-=Mike

 

Mike, that was really low.

 

GreatOne deserves better.

[Guest Stranger]

I'm tired and I don't have time to address all of those weak arguments but I assure you I will tomorrow or the day after. Never the less I will address them. Right now though I want to address ONE thing.

 

Hmm, numbers are better than Clinton's when he ran for re-election in 1996. Odd. 

 

hahaha.....that's funny. Since you failed to provide statistical evidence, allow me.

 

This was saved from a non partisan government website a few months ago.

 

 

 

This has the source on it. So please....continue to enlighten me

[snuffbox 0]

I'll miss you when you get banned.

 

Before I post my reply..why would I get banned? I didn't do anything except voicing my point of view. I hope I didn't break any forum rules by posting my views, but if I did I appologize..reply is coming shortly..

You're GreatOne-esque in terms of really poor posting.

-=Mike

 

Mike, that was really low.

 

GreatOne deserves better.

If he never posts again...greatone would be my favorite around here.

[Styles 0]

I'll miss you when you get banned.

 

Before I post my reply..why would I get banned? I didn't do anything except voicing my point of view. I hope I didn't break any forum rules by posting my views, but if I did I appologize..reply is coming shortly..

You're GreatOne-esque in terms of really poor posting.

-=Mike

 

Mike, that was really low.

 

GreatOne deserves better.

If he never posts again...greatone would be my favorite around here.

He won't because he was BAN PLZD~!

[BUTT 0]

Except a) he doesn't and b) Kerry has made claims that he is driven by a higher power also.

 

But, unlike with Bush, you know Kerry doesn't mean it.

You honestly believe that Kerry doesn't believe in God?

[Guest The Shadow Behind You]

In response to Stranger,

 

You are taking a chart that reads "BUSH SR" "BUSH JR" seriously? It reeks of a 4th grader's history project.

 

Here's my answer to the original question...Nothing will change in your life. You will still struggle to make ends meet, Cars will still seem outragouesly priced. You are really just picking the guy who you like more.

[NoCalMike 0]

You shouldn't ONLY vote based on how your OWN life has been going though, because policies in our government stretch beyond our country and effect a lot of people. That is not really a good way to vote.

[Guest BDC]

Its not about helping people with a dark skin tone, besides southern right wingers still think people with dark skin should be slaves so shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.

 

...

 

...

 

Go to Hell. Go directly to Hell. How about this? Since you're pathetic enough to think that this is a valid argument, I'm going to turn your little concept around on you. I'm going to look at you, find an issue that will piss people off and GROSSLY overgeneralize.

 

Let's see.

 

Oh, it's not about running the country, it's about killing all the dumbass white men in this country that think they can live here and continue oppressing us so we should take away all their rights and not make it a crime to kill them.

 

 

 

Good Lord, I feel so dirty.

[mister foozel 0]

Kerry does one brilliant thing: He takes both sides of every single issue, making certain that he can claim to support anything or oppose anything.

oh, so you're saying...he's a politician?

 

Because, guess what, that's is what politicians do Mike. I'll bet you $10 that Bush has been doing the same damn thing.

 

You do a really good job at making it seem like you know what you are talking about.

[2GOLD 0]

I'll give Bush credit for one thing.

The man will stand behind his stupidity to the very end. And as much as it made me dislike him, he made a stand on gay marriage. I didn't agree with it, but he made his stand.

 

Bush, in most cases, will stand by one of his crazed decisions. I can't fault the man's conviction even though I don't agree with it at all.

 

Kerry...I'm not entirely sure the man has conviction. If you stand for nothing, you'll fall for stupid things. I don't think Kerry truly stands behind anything he says and that worries me. The last thing I want is a man who will change his mind every two weeks.

 

Kerry has done an outstanding job in making people believe he is different than Bush and somehow better. I don't think he is different from Bush except Kerry seems to change his mind about everything and anything when poll numbers say he should. Which would be good if poll numbers were at least a bit reliable way to govern.

[Guest Riots bloodlust]

Ok, I need to chime in here for my quarterly post.

 

Voting third party in an attempt to get the candidate elected is like going swimming because you are thirsty. That is completely missing the point. To vote third party is so that everyone else will pay attention to the issues that the third party represents. If, for example, the Libertarian party gets more and more votes every election, the issues they bring up will be paid attention too by others.

 

From a certain point of view, "throwing your vote away" on a third party candidate can make your vote mean more, given how the Electoral College works, and especially for someone like me who lives in CA.

 

That being said, I'll also point out that the more I think about it, the more I like the electoral college. People just need to understand it better.

[Rob E Dangerously 0]

if the EV is divided sorta proportionally, it could be interesting.

 

Meaning..

 

If Florida is close again, then both sides would get 12 electoral votes at the very least, then the side closer to 13 would get that electoral vote and the overall winner of the state gets two more electoral votes

 

Leaving a 15-12 split

 

The Electoral College can stay, but I want to change one thing. I want to give gthe vote to Puerto Rico, American Samoa and Guam. You can combine the Guam/Samoa votes. As well, I'd favor a way to have an odd number of Electoral College votes. Possibly by a slight increase in the size of Congress to 437 (maybe by giving voting rights to the DC delegate)

 

that might be a bit far out.. idk

[Guest MikeSC]

if the EV is divided sorta proportionally, it could be interesting.

 

Meaning..

 

If Florida is close again, then both sides would get 12 electoral votes at the very least, then the side closer to 13 would get that electoral vote and the overall winner of the state gets two more electoral votes

 

Leaving a 15-12 split

 

The Electoral College can stay, but I want to change one thing. I want to give gthe vote to Puerto Rico, American Samoa and Guam. You can combine the Guam/Samoa votes. As well, I'd favor a way to have an odd number of Electoral College votes. Possibly by a slight increase in the size of Congress to 437 (maybe by giving voting rights to the DC delegate)

 

that might be a bit far out.. idk

I wouldn't give the idiots who are a part of the DC gov't a voice in ANYTHING. They've already proven that they are too inept to govern themselves.

-=Mike

[Rob E Dangerously 0]

I think the DC system is a bit flawed.

 

Give them the Louisiana "Open Primary" since DC is basically dominated by Democrats. It'll give them something to do in November.

 

So unless the DC delegate gets voting rights and another seat is created, I don't see how the Electoral College can have an odd number of votes.

 

I'm not talking about electing Senators from DC, or upgrading the Mayor to a "Governor" status. That might be a bit much.

[Guest MikeSC]

I think the DC system is a bit flawed.

 

Give them the Louisiana "Open Primary" since DC is basically dominated by Democrats. It'll give them something to do in November.

 

So unless the DC delegate gets voting rights and another seat is created, I don't see how the Electoral College can have an odd number of votes.

 

I'm not talking about electing Senators from DC, or upgrading the Mayor to a "Governor" status. That might be a bit much.

I would alow Maryland to run the city, rather than allowing the city to run itself.

 

When a crack conviction can only BOOST your political career, they need to lose their voice.

-=Mike

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Ok, I need to chime in here for my quarterly post.

 

Voting third party in an attempt to get the candidate elected is like going swimming because you are thirsty.  That is completely missing the point.  To vote third party is so that everyone else will pay attention to the issues that the third party represents.  If, for example, the Libertarian party gets more and more votes every election, the issues they bring up will be paid attention too by others. 

 

From a certain point of view, "throwing your vote away" on a third party candidate can make your vote mean more, given how the Electoral College works, and especially for someone like me who lives in CA.

 

That being said, I'll also point out that the more I think about it, the more I like the electoral college.  People just need to understand it better.

 

I agree completely, and that's kind of what I was trying to say in my post. Since you're not going to influence who wins the election, you can just as easily change the direction of the country by voting for a third-party and getting the mainstream to change some of their positions.

 

Basically Bush and Kerry are so close together in filth right now, that I don't want to vote for either one, so I'm letting the Republican party know that if they want my vote, they have to move away from the middle, instead of even further towards it.

 

And when I say away from the middle, I mean on fiscal issues, not on George Bush's right-wing christian, gays are bad, fight wars, and spend million of dollars on drug wars bullshit.