JoeDirt 0 Report post Posted November 3, 2004 Does the fact that nine of 11 states passed bans on same-sex marriages shock anyone here? No. The country is overwhelmingly in favor of banning same sex marriage. Now whether this will be used to prevent civil unions is a whole other issue. And the fact that the majority of America is for it still doesn't make it right, at least in my eyes. But that's obviously a whole other argument... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Downhome 0 Report post Posted November 3, 2004 I almost forgot! I also feel sorry for most of Hollywood, what with the actors now having nothing to do but, you know, act in films. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jobber of the Week 0 Report post Posted November 3, 2004 That Fahrenheit 9/11 thingy sure did make an impact tonight didn't it? I suspect Moore was a push. He probably turned off enough people from voting Kerry than he gained. F9/11 had logic holes and outright lies (going to war for a pipeline) that made me want to pound my fist and shout "NO!" because they were so, so wrong and the film would have been amazing if he had only not gone into conspiracy land and kept to the acknowledged truths with some partisan issues (like Halliburton) spiced in. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest MikeSC Report post Posted November 3, 2004 It's not melodrama at all. It's a very real, very dangerous fear that I'm going to be denied equal rights because of my sexuality This is something that Kerry said should be left up to the states as well. And, like it or not, the states are making their choice. I personally don't care one way or the other, but the states should be the one deciding this and they are. that women I care about deeply are going to have their rights taken away What, abortion? 1) There is no right to it. 2) Bush has not begun to even propose it. that jobs will continue to be shipped overseas without consequence That's free market for you. that more troops will die and that patients are going to be left with no rights to sue in the event of malpractice. You are aware that lawsuits are why there is a lack of flu vaccine, right? Those are just a few of my concerns. I would rather be proven wrong about my fears than have them happen just to be right, but I'll admit that I'm worried. It's easy for the rest of you to write it off as melodrama. You won. Gays, women and the working class lost. And that melodrama is what was being referred to. -=Mike Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Loss Report post Posted November 3, 2004 The majority has a moral obligation to protect the minority. That's America at its core. Our current administration has long forgotten that, as have the voters. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
teke184 0 Report post Posted November 3, 2004 Okay, question time again - let's assume Bush wins Ohio with over 100k votes.....enough so that the "provisional ballots" the Dems are hanging all of their hopes on are meaningless. How much damage will Kerry be doing the Democratic party if he refuses to concede and subsequently drags the country through another month-long court battle? Serious damage considering that he doesn't have the "moral authority" Gore did because Gore at least had the popular vote... Kerry has 47-48% compared to Bush's 51-52%. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
2GOLD 0 Report post Posted November 3, 2004 Okay, question time again - let's assume Bush wins Ohio with over 100k votes.....enough so that the "provisional ballots" the Dems are hanging all of their hopes on are meaningless. How much damage will Kerry be doing the Democratic party if he refuses to concede and subsequently drags the country through another month-long court battle? It'll make the Democrats look like sore losers to those who were on the fence and will increase the public's view of the Republicans. In other words, it'll do massive damage. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DMann2003 0 Report post Posted November 3, 2004 Well, Kerry isn't going to concede for a while, but I think it's pretty much over, even if it takes a week or two. I voted for Kerry and hoped he would win. Doesn't look like he's going to. I don't know what's going to happen with our country in the next four years, but President Bush has a big job ahead of him on a ton of different fronts. There are a lot of people out there hurting, and I really hope under his leadership America can improve in the next four years. Cheers, everybody. It's going to be interesting to say the very least. I'm with JoeDirt on this one "Democrats to stop the bitching" Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JoeDirt 0 Report post Posted November 3, 2004 I almost forgot! I also feel sorry for most of Hollywood, what with the actors now having nothing to do but, you know, act in films. Lol. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bobobrazil1984 0 Report post Posted November 3, 2004 Iowa delaying their official count until Wednesday, because machines broke down, fatigue, some other reasons (i dont know, judy woodruff is babbling about something)... according the secretary of state. Well so much for the election being decided now Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest MikeSC Report post Posted November 3, 2004 The majority has a moral obligation to protect the minority. That's America at its core. Our current administration has long forgotten that, as have the voters. How has the administration forgotten that? Like it or not, this is democracy. You can't say you support democracy for issues that don't impact you, but not in ones that do. And, if Kerry actually DOES fight, the Dems lost the 2006 election. -=Mike Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Cerebus Report post Posted November 3, 2004 We're going to be waiting a while for this crap... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
El Psycho Diablo 0 Report post Posted November 3, 2004 I don't think Kerry taking it to court, or whatever, would damage the Democrats too much. Why? Bush has four years. In that time, he can royally screw up, or actually DO something useful. Any damage done would heal long before the next election. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
teke184 0 Report post Posted November 3, 2004 that women I care about deeply are going to have their rights taken away What, abortion? 1) There is no right to it. 2) Bush has not begun to even propose it. Mike is right because Abortion itself is not a right... it's an extension of the Right To Privacy. The Right To Privacy isn't actual, either, as it's justified by taking bits and pieces of several Constitutional Amendments and throwing them into decisions by Warren Berger and Earl Warren Supreme Courts of the 60s and 70s. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Downhome 0 Report post Posted November 3, 2004 How much damage will Kerry be doing the Democratic party if he refuses to concede and subsequently drags the country through another month-long court battle? Well, look at how fucking stupid Gore made them look, and multiply that as many times as you would like. The smart thing here to do is for Kerry to fucking admit he lost, and allow his party to evolve and grow...move on. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GreatWhiteNope 0 Report post Posted November 3, 2004 The majority has a moral obligation to protect the minority. That's America at its core. Our current administration has long forgotten that, as have the voters. What if the minorities came out and voted? Oh right - that's too much trouble. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vyce 0 Report post Posted November 3, 2004 Oh, this is bullshit. CNN says that Iowa can't be called for a few days because of "mechanical problems with the voting machines". Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jobber of the Week 0 Report post Posted November 3, 2004 Hahaha, the BoSox are paying for the private jets to distribute the DNC lawyers to wherever. Source: CNN Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NoCalMike 0 Report post Posted November 3, 2004 Why was Ohio called? It seems there are still a lot of votes to count and everytime they get closer to 100% reporting, the gap narrows. Kerry is now down by less then 100,000 votes in Ohio, and this doesn't even count and "provisional" votes or whatever. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest MikeSC Report post Posted November 3, 2004 The CBC is funny. They almost think Kerry has a prayer. -=Mike Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JoeDirt 0 Report post Posted November 3, 2004 CNN says that the Red Sox owner's private plane is getting ready "to deploy Democratic lawyers." Here we go... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NoCalMike 0 Report post Posted November 3, 2004 Buchanan is pleading for Kerry not to concede.......lol. (MSNBC) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest MikeSC Report post Posted November 3, 2004 Why was Ohio called? It seems there are still a lot of votes to count and everytime they get closer to 100% reporting, the gap narrows. Kerry is now down by less then 100,000 votes in Ohio, and this doesn't even count and "provisional" votes or whatever. Because the numbers are so astronomically against Kerry that it is irrelevant. Hahaha, the BoSox are paying for the private jets to distribute the DNC lawyers to wherever. Hmm, time to re-consider the whole anti-trust exemption of baseball. -=Mike Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Loss Report post Posted November 3, 2004 This is something that Kerry said should be left up to the states as well. And, like it or not, the states are making their choice. I personally don't care one way or the other, but the states should be the one deciding this and they are. States don't decide straight marriage. States shouldn't decided gay marriage. It's as simple as that. What, abortion? 1) There is no right to it. 2) Bush has not begun to even propose it. Not only abortion, but equal pay (which has gone down considerably under Bush) and the whole controversy over the Morning After Pill. I should also mention that he wants to make parental consent mandatory for teenage abortions, when a 15-year old girl may be getting an abortion because her father raped her. There are multiple issues here. As for abortion, it is totally a right because it's a woman making a decision about her body, and I have no objections to it as long as it happens in the first trimester. Bush was asked point blank in the debates if he planned to overturn Roe v. Wade and refused to answer the question. If he doesn't, he should have said no. That's free market for you. No, that's major corporations getting tax breaks to ship jobs overseas. You are aware that lawsuits are why there is a lack of flu vaccine, right? I don't buy that. How can a lawsuit result in contaminated vaccine? And that melodrama is what was being referred to. -=Mike And for some reason, you're scared to say, "Gays didn't lose and here's why", "Women didn't lose and here's why" or "The working class didn't lose and here's why." That's why this folder has the reputation it does. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Downhome 0 Report post Posted November 3, 2004 Holy lord, I thought you guys were joking about the Sox deal. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
2GOLD 0 Report post Posted November 3, 2004 I don't think Kerry taking it to court, or whatever, would damage the Democrats too much. Why? Bush has four years. In that time, he can royally screw up, or actually DO something useful. Any damage done would heal long before the next election. But Bush isn't running again so it doesn't matter. Look how badly the sore loser mentality hurt the Democrats this year. Bush is about to win the Popular Vote AND the Electoral College. The country may not have wanted George Bush, but there was no chance in hell some of us were going to pick John Kerry just because he wasn't George Bush. That's a really bad way to vote. And Kerry was the same on gay marriage as Bush. Neither is against civil unions, both believe marriage is a man and a woman. Kerry should have taken the risk and said "yes, I have no problem with gay marriage but I shall leave the decisions to the states and not the federal government". But he didn't, he took cheap shots at Bush about an issue he was NO different on. And contary to popular belief, Bush wasn't supportive of the amendment to make gay marriage illegal. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NoCalMike 0 Report post Posted November 3, 2004 Why was Ohio called? It seems there are still a lot of votes to count and everytime they get closer to 100% reporting, the gap narrows. Kerry is now down by less then 100,000 votes in Ohio, and this doesn't even count and "provisional" votes or whatever. Because the numbers are so astronomically against Kerry that it is irrelevant. -=Mike Can you explain that? What do you mean? He is under 100,000 from leading Bush in Ohio. What "ASTRONOMICAL" numbers? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Loss Report post Posted November 3, 2004 How has the administration forgotten that? By politicizing gay marriage to gain the support of the religious right. I know, I know, it's a state issue, which is why Bush felt the need to make his stance known. *rolls eyes* Like it or not, this is democracy. You can't say you support democracy for issues that don't impact you, but not in ones that do. The voters spoke. The voters are hateful, scary people. It's democracy all right. I'm not bashing the system, I'm bashing the result. And, if Kerry actually DOES fight, the Dems lost the 2006 election. -=Mike You mean 2008? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
2GOLD 0 Report post Posted November 3, 2004 Why was Ohio called? It seems there are still a lot of votes to count and everytime they get closer to 100% reporting, the gap narrows. Kerry is now down by less then 100,000 votes in Ohio, and this doesn't even count and "provisional" votes or whatever. Actually no, the gap usually goes down to 102,000 and then it increases back to 106,000 or 108,000. It's been doing this all night long. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NoCalMike 0 Report post Posted November 3, 2004 And contary to popular belief, Bush wasn't supportive of the amendment to make gay marriage illegal. I don't feel he truly is/was either, however he milked it like he was in the states that he needed to. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
