Lord of The Curry 0 Report post Posted November 7, 2004 There is one big hole in your theory regarding Cena, Kahran: When his movie tanks the company will be left scrambling ie. scared enough that they wouldn't put the title on him. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Just call me Dan 0 Report post Posted November 7, 2004 Why does this movie have such a big influence on his career? I don't remember any of Hogan's movies doing well at all. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Dames 0 Report post Posted November 7, 2004 Rocky III had a tremendous influence on Hogan's career, which was prior to Hulkamania. Dames Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fökai 0 Report post Posted November 7, 2004 There is one big hole in your theory regarding Cena, Kahran: When his movie tanks the company will be left scrambling ie. scared enough that they wouldn't put the title on him. The movie won't be released for a good eight months, Curry. In fact, they haven't even started filming yet. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AlaskanHero 0 Report post Posted November 7, 2004 3.] Retool Randy Orton. His gimmick, his whole look, all that stuff. HHH obviously views himself as the new age Ric Flair, so Randy Orton is his Sting. Soooo, after the two have a big match (after SurSer), we do an injury angle, a big one that makes it look like Orton is really fucked up and injured. He's gone for a month or so before Eric starts hinting towards a mystery #1 at the Royal Rumble. Come the Rumble, Orton comes out, looking different (now named RKO) and he wins the Rumble. Yadda, yadda, yadda, RKO beats (supposedly) beats HHH and since that's all my trial period is for, that's all they get. But with a cooler Randy Orton, the 18-25 demograph will be more willing to accept him. The people want someone to live vicariously through. Make RKO the guy everyone wants to be who's not impossible to be. You lost me after you wanted to rename Orton into RKO. Dames Well, basically it would be a mix of Rocky Maivia becoming the Rock and Sting becoming....well, he was still Sting, but when he was Crow Sting. RKO sounds cooler to me than Randy Orton. Plus they've been pushing the name on Raw. So, just make him RKO, give his character a personality change and appearence make over and we have a new guy. Hell, you could have him face off against HHH at some point for the title as RKO. Randy Orton can never have another title shot, but no one said shit about RKO getting the title shot. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Just call me Dan 0 Report post Posted November 7, 2004 Rocky III had a tremendous influence on Hogan's career, which was prior to Hulkamania. Dames Come on now, this was Rocky THREE. This is an established blockbuster franchise. Cena's move is nowhere in the same league. Cena is well into his career as who he is and what his gimmick is established as. The comparison is void. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Dames 0 Report post Posted November 7, 2004 Let's just say that upper management really wouldn't go for that idea and leave it at that. Dames Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Dames 0 Report post Posted November 7, 2004 Rocky III had a tremendous influence on Hogan's career, which was prior to Hulkamania. Dames Come on now, this was Rocky THREE. This is an established blockbuster franchise. Cena's move is nowhere in the same league. Cena is well into his career as who he is and what his gimmick is established as. The comparison is void. Rocky III is the movie that got Hogan recognized after his first brief run with the WWF. He was known mostly as a main eventer for the AWA and after taking the role of Thunderlips, Hogan gained notorioty. What I'm trying to say is that it was a small part that ended up helping Hogan prior to him being a main event juggernaut. Cena's movie (i.e mainstream opportunity) is being manufactured by WWE at a time where business is low and they desperately need a new star and being the star of the movie, they're banking on him to draw. So, if this movie does poorly, Cena's stock in the eyes of management as the new star of the company will highly decrease. Dames Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Just call me Dan 0 Report post Posted November 7, 2004 Rocky III had a tremendous influence on Hogan's career, which was prior to Hulkamania. Dames Come on now, this was Rocky THREE. This is an established blockbuster franchise. Cena's move is nowhere in the same league. Cena is well into his career as who he is and what his gimmick is established as. The comparison is void. Rocky III is the movie that got Hogan recognized after his first brief run with the WWF. He was known mostly as a main eventer for the AWA and after taking the role of Thunderlips, Hogan gained notorioty. What I'm trying to say is that it was a small part that ended up helping Hogan prior to him being a main event juggernaut. Cena's movie (i.e mainstream opportunity) is being manufactured by WWE at a time where business is low and they desperately need a new star and being the star of the movie, they're banking on him to draw. So, if this movie does poorly, Cena's stock in the eyes of management as the new star of the company will highly decrease. Dames Agreed there. I guess your point is that the WWE is actually banking on this doing something , whereas the sane human being already knows this can do next to nothing. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest LooneyTune Report post Posted November 7, 2004 I want to go to the Pie Pod....ok, seriously... We're going by SERIOUS thoughts, not fantasy booking where you can hire Andre's dead body or fire Triple H. 1. Give the mid-carders something to do. Instead of making Heat filler, try putting an angle or two on it. They did this when Raven was banished to it, but then he was fired. 2. Try and build the credibility of the Intercontinental Title. The thing is basically a prop right now. Maybe having some Main Events challenge and losing to the champion can build him up better than beating Steven Richards. 3. Creative Main Event booking. Instead of the same old 6-Man Tags every week, try putting new faces or just even putting a World Title Match. 4. On Smackdown, give the cruiserweight division matches that last longer than my piss break. 5. Kinda reffers to #2, but try putting some bigger names on the show regularly than the same 4 people. They've been doing this a little now, but can always do it more. Try making Heat/Velocity seem important enough to watch. 6. Get rid of the "Jobber" matches. If they want Indy Talent to work, make them work dark matches only. I don't want to see them on TV while Al Snow calls everyone Mr. GobbledeDouche or whatever the fuck. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tawren 0 Report post Posted November 7, 2004 My ideas: 1) Keep the brands seperate and make them different. RRR says this a lot, and I like the idea: use more lights and such rather than fireworks. One show could do that while the other gets the pyro. The ring entrances also have to change: Raw could have the elevated ramp and use of lights and one big TitanTron while Smackdown can have the current walkway and fireworks and several video screens. Appearance changes like this can help differentiate it from the current stale product. 2) Announcers: JR and King need to either get fired or change totally. CALL THE MATCH, FOCUS ON THE RING, and just be straight forward with a little bit of bias. And they need to follow continuity. JR is terrible at this - "Kane set me on fire bah gawd and raped Lita bah gawd but now he is fighting Snitsky bah gawd bless Kane!" Cole and Tazz where great when they just called the matches. Let their personalities develop, don't force it. 3) Both sides need to let go of the WWE style ring work. Punch kick punch kick signature move punch kick rollup with tights or finisher. No more. Let the workers go, if not full tilt then at least half tilt. If they can actually do things other than punches, kicks, and their own 2 or 3 moves then the matches will be better and fans will be happier. 4) Get rid of ref bumps. Once a year, maybe, do one. At most. They need to go. Every match has one, and if not every match then every main event. It is so freaking tired. Get rid of ref bumps. 5) Build up divisions: make the Cruiserweights something special. Rather than once in a while having a cruiserweight title match, have actual cruiserweight matches. "Kidman vs Scotty 2 Hotty, the winner of this could recieve a big boost in the cruiserweight standings!" Same with the US title and Intercontinental titles. "The winner of this match might be in position for an IC shot, King! Bah gawd!" 6) Face paint and masks. Not tons, but really: I can barely tell the difference between Tomko, Heidenreich, Morgan, Jones, and the rest of the hosses aside from their tattoos. Give them some face paint, or a mask, or something distinguishing them. 7) For Raw, have a double elimination tag tournament like WCW did in 1999. I know it is more specific than my other ideas, but still, this could work. Have it start in December and end at the 1/5 Puerto Rico PPV. Benoit/Regal, La Resistance, Hurricane/Rosey, Batista/Flair, Tajiri/Rhyno, Venis/Richards, Benjamin/Maven, Snitsky/Tomko, Edge/Christian, Jericho/Arab guy, and HHH/Orton as a wacky team that has to get along or HHH is stripped of his title and Orton is fired. Make it competitive, develop internal storylines of underdogs and upsets and squashes, and have the finals put over the winners rather than ref bumps and cheating. HHH could be trying to lose as fast as possible in the matches but HHH/Orton keep winning and develop chemistry despite hating each other. Venis/Richards get on a hot streak and eliminate Benoit/Regal. La Resistance is the experienced team and cruises through the tourney. Benjamin/Maven can't get along and lose right away. Make it interesting leading into the finals. 8) Smackdown can make the cruiserweights really something for the wrestling content of the show. Lots of tags and 6 man tags, longer matches, stuff like that. They can keep the storyline heavy top card because the cruiserweights will keep the wrestling content up. 9) Make titles worth something: all the cruisers want the cruiserweight title, all the midcarders want the IC/US titles, everybody wants the World titles. HHH becomes increasingly paranoid that everyone is out to get him because they are, and it can lead into his matches - he keeps almost losing because he is looking over his shoulder. And he launches pre-emptive strikes by interfering in others matches. This can lead to a big Elimination Chamber match or increased tension in the Rumble. 10) If you are in the WWE, you are good. They need to stress that. If Benjamin beats HHH, it might be a fluke, it might not be. Stress that Benjamin might just be better than HHH, get the fans talking - who is better? Bradshaw is a chickenshit but he keeps winning. Maybe he really is good? Misterio beats Bradshaw in a tag, cleanly. Is Misterio now in line for a title shot? Make the people think. 11) Continuity. Edge doesn't have to hate Matt Hardy because they fought in 1999, but he should still hate HHH from the summertime. Orton should be on his own, still - he is a cocky asshole but now he is a face so "Bah gawd Orton is incredible Kang what a stud!"? No. Everybody should be hating Orton. If they want to blur the line between face and heel, stress individual relationships like that. Edge hates HHH but has to get along with Evolution is more interesting than Edge hates HHH but now likes him because Edge is now evil. There are my ideas. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest LooneyTune Report post Posted November 7, 2004 Kinda cheesy, but maybe making a "Rankings" like chart for each title would be good idea. If you are ranked #7 and beat the #3 ranked person of (Insert Division Here), you're boosted to contendership. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JoeDirt 0 Report post Posted November 7, 2004 11) Continuity. Edge doesn't have to hate Matt Hardy because they fought in 1999, but he should still hate HHH from the summertime. Orton should be on his own, still - he is a cocky asshole but now he is a face so "Bah gawd Orton is incredible Kang what a stud!"? No. Everybody should be hating Orton. If they want to blur the line between face and heel, stress individual relationships like that. Edge hates HHH but has to get along with Evolution is more interesting than Edge hates HHH but now likes him because Edge is now evil. This is a very important one, I think. Keeping in line with the intention of Dames' post here, how would you propose this to Vince without saying explicitly to him that what they're doing currently insults the intelligence and often times makes no sense in order to save yourself from getting fired? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Dames 0 Report post Posted November 7, 2004 10) If you are in the WWE, you are good. They need to stress that. If Benjamin beats HHH, it might be a fluke, it might not be. Stress that Benjamin might just be better than HHH, get the fans talking - who is better? Bradshaw is a chickenshit but he keeps winning. Maybe he really is good? Misterio beats Bradshaw in a tag, cleanly. Is Misterio now in line for a title shot? Make the people think. I like that. Too many people on the roster are portrayed as not being good enough to be there (i.e. Maven, Steven Richards, Rosey, Hurricane, etc.). Everyone should have definable strengths, not necessarily definable weaknesses, but at least an idea of how to approach a match with that person. Dames Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Dames 0 Report post Posted November 7, 2004 Kinda cheesy, but maybe making a "Rankings" like chart for each title would be good idea. If you are ranked #7 and beat the #3 ranked person of (Insert Division Here), you're boosted to contendership. Not cheesy at all, as a similar system was attempted in the late 80's in the NWA. I would love to have a system like that, so that every match at least has some sort of meaning. AND...to add to that, there should be pre match interviews with both competitors prior to the match, which is also strongly lacking these days. Dames Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Dames 0 Report post Posted November 7, 2004 11) Continuity. Edge doesn't have to hate Matt Hardy because they fought in 1999, but he should still hate HHH from the summertime. Orton should be on his own, still - he is a cocky asshole but now he is a face so "Bah gawd Orton is incredible Kang what a stud!"? No. Everybody should be hating Orton. If they want to blur the line between face and heel, stress individual relationships like that. Edge hates HHH but has to get along with Evolution is more interesting than Edge hates HHH but now likes him because Edge is now evil. This is a very important one, I think. Keeping in line with the intention of Dames' post here, how would you propose this to Vince without saying explicitly to him that what they're doing currently insults the intelligence and often times makes no sense in order to save yourself from getting fired? You propose it to Vince by reassuring him that both characters benefit. Give him the following scenario and both Vince & Triple H would like it. Edge walks into Evolutions locker room to talk about the SS match, but gets confronted by Triple H. Triple H tells him that while he's glad to have him on his team, since he knows how capable he is, he remembers him talking about how he could beat Triple H for the World Title at Taboo Tuesday. Just shut up and follow his lead. Edge responds by telling him that he almost lost to Shawn Michaels at Taboo Tuesday, who was on one leg, so he should be thanking him for having the Title in the first place since his interference gave him the win. They go nose to nose, but Batista and Flair make Edge back and tells him that they need to work together and Edge tells Triple H that he'll hold up his end of the bargain. Boom, you tease the context of their teamwork during the match, you gave Edge a little more credibility and Triple H/Edge can be set up if they ever want to do that and Triple H stays true to the leader role in the promo. Dames Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JoeDirt 0 Report post Posted November 7, 2004 Yep, that's good stuff, Dames. Realistic, interesting...yeah, I like it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hunter's Torn Quad 0 Report post Posted November 7, 2004 Strengthen the brand split: This can be done in the following ways: 1) End all mention of Raw on Smackdown, and all mention of Smackdown on Raw. No more segments recapping what’s happened on the other show, and no references to the other show, in any way, shape, or form. It’s impossible for fans to truly believe that Raw and Smackdown are separate, but it would be so much easier to get fans into being more willing and able to suspend their disbelief if the illusion wasn’t getting shattered repeatedly. This leads to point number 2 of this idea…. 2) No joint PPV’s except for WrestleMania. This relates to the first point, in that the illusion, however it might get built up on TV, just gets destroyed when both brands appear on the same PPV. This should be stopped right away, with the only combined PPV being WrestleMania, where any brand v brand matches will seem more special, and the whole event will seem more special, because it really will be the only event of the year where you can see both brands. 3) Alternate the monthly PPV’s, with Raw getting one, then Smackdown getting the next, and so on. This will allow the storylines more time to develop, and things won’t have to get rushed. Give each brand each own unique identity and look: This can be done in the following ways: 1) Change the look and appearance of Smackdown, so that it looks as little like Raw as possible. Put a Smackdown motif in the middle of the ring canvas so that it looks distinctive, change the turnbuckle pads to the single-piece ones like in Japan and RoH, change the way the Smackdown show is set up by having the entrance on the right side of the hard camera or maybe even having two entrance ways, with one for heels and one for faces. The Smackdown show needs to look as different as possible to Raw, while still looking like a wrestling show. 2) Give Raw a serious and well-pushed Women’s division, and give Smackdown a serious and well-pushed Cruiserweight division. Each of these will give the respective brands something unique about them, and something they can both say you can only see on their show. Make it serious, with minimal comedy, and give the fans plenty of time to get into them without pulling the rug out from the wrestlers involved, and thus killing off the fans desire to get emotionally invested in the characters. Emotion draws money, and if the people don’t get emotionally involved with anyone, they won’t pay to see anyone. 3) Make Raw mostly Sports Entertainment, with some serious wrestling elements thrown in, and make Smackdown mostly serious wrestling, with some Sports Entertainment thrown in. Each brand has to not only look different but also feel different, with two totally different products. Give the SE fans a show they can watch and enjoy, and give the wrestling fans a show they can watch and enjoy. That way, you are drawing on from two demographics instead of just the one, which means, if done right, more viewers, and thus, more money. Change the criteria for new talent: Vince loves the big men, but right now, there are not a lot of big men out there, and fewer who really have the tools to be fit for prime time. What needs to be done is to get the best talent out there, regardless of size or charisma, and push them based on their best points, while hiding their weaknesses with effective booking; if a guy isn’t that good on the mic, then give him a mouthpiece, or if a guy doesn’t have a lot of natural charisma, don’t put him in skits, that kind of basic booking that appears to be a lost art. Make Heat and Velocity seem important again: Both shows, Heat especially used to get big ratings; Heat used to hit the 4’s on a regular basis at one point. That went downhill when both shows were treated as ‘B’ shows and the fans saw them as such. Consequently, ratings hit the toilet. That needs to be changed, with both shows being made to seem important, and something you have to watch. Do this by putting more first-run stuff on each of them. Not necessarily big matches, but key angles and storyline developments; something that advances a currently top pushed program. Then, give a quick video recap of it on Raw (for Heat) or Smackdown (for Velocity), with a tagline of something like, “Here’s what you missed out on”, then show parts of the angle they missed. Don’t show it all though. Just show enough that they get the idea of what happened, but don’t see everything that did happen. Make the people start to think, “Hey, that looked neat, I wish I had seen it all”, and then get across that they can see it all, but only by watching the weekend shows. Make house shows seem important again: House shows are in the shits, and a big reason for that is the fans have been condition to believe that nothing of importance ever happens on them. Sure, from time to time, they get a bone thrown, like the odd title switch once every few years, but that’s about it really. Change that up, and in a big way. Once or twice a year, change a title at a house show, and tape it with a handheld camera. Show this on Raw or Smackdown, and tell the fans, “Boy, you missed something huge this past Saturday at our live event in Chicago”. Run angles on house shows, tape them like you would title changes in the above scenario, and show clips on Raw or Smackdown, and make people think that they could see key storyline developments by going to house shows. One scenario that comes to mind involves the Raw tag titles. Hype up a new team through videos and vignettes, and have them talk about how they’re going to mow through the tag ranks and take the tag titles. Le Resistance can mention them in interviews, and say they aren’t scared of this new time, and will take them on whenever they want. Then, announce that next week on Raw, this new time will debut, and will call out La Resistance. However, shake things up, and on the Raw house show the next Saturday, after La Resistance have beaten some team, have them deride the new team, we’ll call them Team X, and say that they know Team X will be at Raw, they aren’t scared of them, and if Team X were here tonight, they’d give them a shot at the tag titles. Suddenly, strange music hits, and Team X show up out of nowhere, attack Le Resistance, and demand the tag title shot La Resistance said they would give them. Team X then wins the tag titles, and when they debut on Raw as tag champions, hype the hell out of the title change, and make a big deal out of it. Make the people kick themselves for not going and missing out on seeing a big debut. A simplistic scenario but one that could easily get over the importance of house shows. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kahran Ramsus 0 Report post Posted November 7, 2004 What I'm trying to say is that it was a small part that ended up helping Hogan prior to him being a main event juggernaut. Cena's movie (i.e mainstream opportunity) is being manufactured by WWE at a time where business is low and they desperately need a new star and being the star of the movie, they're banking on him to draw. So, if this movie does poorly, Cena's stock in the eyes of management as the new star of the company will highly decrease. This is after the assigned period. If it does flop, and it has an adverse affect on Cena's drawing ability then you can move the title off of him then. But this business is all about taking chances, and the potential for this to pay off is just too great too ignore. And if it fails, it won't have that much of a lasting effect for anyone besides Cena. There is also the option of having him turn heel because the fans didn't go see his movie. The positives far outweight the negatives on this. Someone like Eddy Guerrero or Booker T doesn't have near the upside. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Coffey Report post Posted November 7, 2004 Several people have suggested making the "b" shows be good. Several people have suggested making the titles matter again. How about a title, worn by someone the fans care about (like Rob Van Dam) that has to be defended on every show? Television titles have been popular in the past, and people would know of at least one match to expect on Heat/Velocity. It'd work better without the brand split...especially if they just added the "has to be defended on each TV show" stipulation to the IC belt. It would also work better with rankings as you'd know who was challenging for the title without having to have it announced. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Dames 0 Report post Posted November 7, 2004 I agree with you Kahran, I was simply answering Dan's question about why this movie could hurt Cena's career. Dames Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Dames 0 Report post Posted November 7, 2004 Several people have suggested making the "b" shows be good. Several people have suggested making the titles matter again. How about a title, worn by someone the fans care about (like Rob Van Dam) that has to be defended on every show? You just reminded me of a point that I wanted to make. RVD's popularity has been adversely affected because the fans don't have a reason to care for him. When he first came over, he was OVER because he brought his unique style and most mainstream fans heard he was from ECW. His matches with Jeff Hardy were good and soon, the fans wanted him to get a World Title shot, which he did at No Mercy 2002. But after losing that shot...and after losing the shot to the Undertaker (false finish), the fans have had no real reason to care about RVD. What's his motivation for wrestling? Does he want to be World Champion? He's never mentioned in the past 2 years. Does he want the tag team titles? We assume so, but he hasn't said anything. Why does he want them...he's had them in the past with others. That always needs to be explained to me. Why do we want him to win the tag belts with Rey? Is it because Kenzo & Dupree are "bad guys"? Give us more than that in order for us to care. You'll know it when we're into the near falls.... Dames Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Thunderkiss65 Report post Posted November 7, 2004 Given how long the NWO angles lasted and how much interest in the business it helped spark, I would use that theory for the brand extension. Give Kurt Angle a real heel group, consisting of JBL, a newly turned RVD, and a few others, maybe 6 total. Have them first sit in the front row of a RAW show, and have them there the entire show. Little interaction with the RAW stars occur, but with maybe a glance or 2 from Evolution and maybe Benoit or Y2J. JR and Lawler speculate as to why they are there, but nothing happens. On Smackdown later that week, Teddy Long asks Angle why he and his group was there, with Angle telling Long what he and his friends do with their off time is none of his business. The next week, Angle and his group do the same thing, with the main event being HHH v. Benoit for the world title. Just as Benoit has on the crossface, Angle and Co. jump the railing and all enter the ring, beating down Benoit. Jericho, HBK, and others come down to save Benoit, only to get taken out. HHH gets up, smiling, and JBL, wearing the WWE belt around his waist, goes to hand HHH the Raw belt. As HHH puts out his hands to take the belt, JBL cracks him with the title, K.O.ing him. Angle puts his boot on the chest of HHH as RVD makes the Raw ref count to three. The guys put the boots to HHH as Batsita, Flair, and others come out from the back to run off the group. Angle has the Raw belt in hand, and leaves with it along with JBL and the rest of the guys, who are laughing. JR and King are going nuts trying to figure out what just happened. Bischoff is on the rampway, and enters the ring, stunned, calling for medical assistance. The Smackdown that follows has Teddy Long berating Angle and his group for what happened on Raw. Angle and group come down and menacingly surround Long in the ring. After a few minutes, the swerve, as Long admits it was his plan all along. They play off of Raw getting preferential treatment from VKM, and saying that they are sick of SD stars being treated like 2nd class citizens, with even their pay being less than the Raw stars. So now, they will prove that SD is superior, by taking the fight to them. Tazz and Cole seem to be a bit simpathetic to the cause, saying they do know that JR and King make way more than them. Angle and Long state that since Raw gets it all, the guys on Sd will take it all. Angle actually has the Raw title around his waist. He says that since he won it from HHH on Raw, and is a real fighting champion, he'll defend on SD tonite. Then business as usual on SD, with title defences by Spike and Carlito. Then the Main Event: Angle v. Eddy for the Raw belt. Angle states 'no DQ'. Rey hits the 619 late in the match, but JBL hits the ring and lands the clothesline from hell. Angle with the Angleslam and pin. Angle gets up, celebrating, expecting his music as his buddies come into the ring. He instead hears VKM's music. Angle shits himself as his boys jump out of the ring. The boss gets in the ring, pissed off. He screams at Angle for what he and the guys have done on Raw. VKM sez he should fire all of them. Then Angle grabs Vince and gets ready to unload on him, then a ton of faces from the locker room come down and get into the ring, backing VKM up. Smugly Vince puts a finger in Angle's chest 'You guys WILL be on Raw next week, and WILL give them their title back along with an apology.' 'Or what??...' Angle fires back. Vince gets ready to say his favorite 2 words when the faces behind him crowd him into Kurt, who grabs Vince and Angleslams him. 'You cant fire all of us, Vince. We're running things here now. Raw, it's not over, it's just the beginning.' The show closes, with the faces half-heartedly look on in support of their fellow SD heels and Vince laid out in the ring but uneasily leaving the ring as the heels celebrate. This begins a huge pissing contest between the 2 brands, with lots of room for switches, and guest appearances from both programs, perhaps drawing in those who only watch one to watch both, and create tons of possibilities. Having VKM involved trying in vain to restore order while both sides war out of control would make for interesting tv, as well. I'm sure this idea would get shot down, this is basically an nwo rehash. With some fresh ideas added it could catch on, with a chance for many of the lower card to get involved as perhaps 'assassins' of sorts as the war escalates. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest LooneyTune Report post Posted November 7, 2004 WWE should bring back the Event Center to hype House Shows and have wrestlers cut quick promos on their opponents. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RavishingRickRudo 0 Report post Posted November 7, 2004 They should position RVD as someone who has not lived up to his full potential -someone who could be the best wrestler ever, but doesn't have the drive to be the best. Have a wrestler (Rey, maybe Eddie) try to bring the fire out of RVD anyway possible, because they need RVD to beat, say, Angle or something. I'd dig that. Of course, they'd do it in a way that would completely bury RVD by making him seem like a loser at first and then never paying off in the end, but I think there is a specific way it could be done that could possibly make a new ME'er. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Dames 0 Report post Posted November 7, 2004 I like that Rudo, I really do, but sadly, given the political nature of WWE right now with Angle & Undertaker as the 2 top guys on SD, who's going to agree to job to him? Those are the only two guys on there, aside from JBL (As Champion) that would give RVD the kind of rub he needs for that to work. Dames Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RavishingRickRudo 0 Report post Posted November 7, 2004 They could use Eddie, make it a face vs. face feud where Eddie pushes RVD to exceed. Have RVD get pinned at Survivor Series and at the next Smackdown have 3 of the 4 guys be all pissed off that they lost and RVD is like "Guys, chill out. It's just one loss" and everyone looks at him with disgust and Eddie goes off on him. "Just one loss?! Just one loss?! That one loss said that they're better that us Rob! Each of us want to be the best, so doesn't that kill you inside knowing that someone is better than you?!" "Dude, I don't worry about that. I'm here to put on a show for my fans. Win or Lose, Mr. Thursday Night will deliver. Yeah." It would hurt Eddie a lil bit, in a way, where Eddie says "RVD, I'm going to be honest with you. For the first time in my life I'll be honest... I'm better than you. BUT, you CAN be better than me. You can be better than all of us, esse. You're the best athlete in the WWE, you can do things that can blow everyones minds, man. But when you say you don't care whether you win or lose, whether you have the title or not, man, dude, you shouldn't even be in the ring vato. I should kick your ass right now, just for letting what you have go to waste. I should force you to live up to your potential man" (Not the exact words that I want, but it gets across the intent). But where it hurts Eddie in one way, it helps him in another - where he completes his objective when RVD beats him and lives up to his full potential. Then you move on to a feud with Angle or JBL, and by then you at least have a bit of a money program with RVD and he gets boosted even if he loses. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
{''({o..o})''} 0 Report post Posted November 7, 2004 2) No joint PPV’s except for WrestleMania. This relates to the first point, in that the illusion, however it might get built up on TV, just gets destroyed when both brands appear on the same PPV. This should be stopped right away, with the only combined PPV being WrestleMania, where any brand v brand matches will seem more special, and the whole event will seem more special, because it really will be the only event of the year where you can see both brands. What about the damage that would be done to the Royal Rumble by doing so? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CanadianChick 0 Report post Posted November 7, 2004 I think my main change would be who the show is revoloved around. What were the two biggest booms in WWE? Hogan and Austin, right? So why in God's name is the company based around a heel right now? This isn't NWA where there is one heel that makes faces look so good that it draws money. No, this is WWE. Try to live up to past successes and stop being satisfied with mediocrity. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RavishingRickRudo 0 Report post Posted November 7, 2004 I think an inherant problem with this scenario is that creative doesn't control ANY of what is being talked about here (ok, I haven't read everything, but from what I have read - changing of # of PPV's, who is on top, etc - is not really affected by the writers - storylines and characters, concepts for shows and PPV's, THAT is what writers can affect.) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites