Raw to return to the "HHH Rules Everyone" Format?

[JasonX 0]

Let's look at the build-up for Survivor Series:

 

HHH is complaining loudly at his fallen status on Raw and vows to make everyone pay, just as the entire locker room is finally shown to be standing up to him

 

Randy Orton's face run has been a collossal failure

 

We get a storyline where Eric Bischoff starts acting real nice (or as nice as his character can get and still be bad), tells HHH off, and offers up a stipulation at SS where the winner of RO and friends versus HHH and friends gets t

[The Amazing Rando 0]

But it's been shown that seemingly no matter whose team wins that everybody is looking to go after HHH.

 

1) HHH was paranoid that all the faces would give themselves title shots.

2) Snitsky said he would come after it

3) Edge has made it PERFECTLY clear that the belt is what he wants

4) Batista seems on the fence about it.

 

Sure, HHH can go through and beat each of those guys, thus burying them all, but...

 

 

...but....

 

 

...well shit.

[UseTheSledgehammerUh 0]

Orton's team is winning Sunday.

[Black Lushus 0]

^

 

Agreed...in fact they are setting up more that his team WILL lose because of the things you pointed out...

[bob_barron 0]

Orton's team is winning Sunday.

I think Triple H's team is winning. I don't see them jobbing out Edge and HHH and RAW will be much more intriguing with Evolution controlling RAW then Maven controlling RAW.

[Hunter's Torn Quad 0]

If Team Steroids wins, and it's because Maven turns heel, then I could see them maybe trying to turn Snitsky face by screwing him out of his week of control, and giving it to Maven as a reward.

[UseTheSledgehammerUh 0]

Also, with Smackdown! having a large number of highly-pushed heels in Angle, Cool, Heidenreich, etc...

 

Might it possible for JBL to actually lose on Sunday, and then get involved in the Raw main event (which'll likely be the last match), thus explaining JBL's jump to Raw, a show that needs heels?

[Lord of The Curry 0]

HHH's team is winning. I know this because of how blatantly JR was shilling the PPV in the theme of "There's trouble on Team HHH and I don't think they can win!" which means, of course that they'll win.

[Jack_Bauer 0]

I can see maybe Dave Batista winning it by pinning Randy Orton. I can certainly see Orton getting a pin on Triple H.

[bob_barron 0]

Batista and Snitsky are the two guys on Team HHH definetley getting eliminated I think. Batista always jobs in the big matches

[Hunter's Torn Quad 0]

I can see maybe Dave Batista winning it by pinning Randy Orton. I can certainly see Orton getting a pin on Triple H.

If they want him to headline WM XXI, he can't do a lot of pinfall jobs, and he just did one to Flair, so I don't see him doing another one here. Maybe just before the Rumble he can do one, to set something up for there, but not here. Orton isn't doing a pinfall job, or they really are clueless.

[Hunter's Torn Quad 0]

I can see maybe Dave Batista winning it by pinning Randy Orton. I can certainly see Orton getting a pin on Triple H.

If Team Steroids win, then Hunter is getting the winning pin. Count on it.

[bob_barron 0]

I think they're going to do what they did with HBK last year. Orton will be down 3 on 1 or 2 on 1 and then try to overcome all the odds but lose in the end

[Hunter's Torn Quad 0]

I think they're going to do what they did with HBK last year. Orton will be down 3 on 1 or 2 on 1 and then try to overcome all the odds but lose in the end

If they do do that, and it's way too soon to repeat that kind of thing, then Orton will wind up winning, because he'll look like Superman for fighting back against such odds to win it all for his team.

[Guest MikeSC]

I'm sorry, but there is no way in hell Vince has a RAW with Maven as the lead guy.

-=Mike

[RavishingRickRudo 0]

HHH's team is too chaotic and Ortons team is too cohesive. Maven, clearly, is turning. They could have done a Sting-esque angle where Evolution gets their ass kicked by Ortons team for weeks and HHH needs to find a way to turn the tide - so he plants the idea that Maven is part of Evolution. Maven, of course, denies it, but Orton gets paranoid, while Benoit and Jericho are skeptical. The next few weeks has "coincidences" and "mistakes" happening which turn the whole team against Maven. However, something then happens when Maven saves them all from an evolution attack and team orton is grateful and sorry for not believing Maven. Of course, at Survivor Series, Maven turns on them all because they never trusted him and that Evolution was always interested in him and he likes the feeling of being wanted. This "sudden turn" is retarded.

[Hunter's Torn Quad 0]

I'm sorry, but there is no way in hell Vince has a RAW with Maven as the lead guy.

-=Mike

I don't think people saw Vince putting the WWE Title on a, at that time, uncharismatic and unover midcarder called Bradshaw either.

[bob_barron 0]

I see Batista being the token 'tap to crossface' guy. I see Snitsky getting DQed or doing something stupid to get himself eliminated since he doesn't care.

 

As LOTC said- HHH's team is too messy and Orton's team is too good for the result to be Team Orton winning.

[The Amazing Rando 0]

If Team Steroids wins, and it's because Maven turns heel, then I could see them maybe trying to turn Snitsky face by screwing him out of his week of control, and giving it to Maven as a reward.

Ahhhh Hell No.

 

WWE can not keep doing that. Also, it would completely nullify everything they did with Kane, which is stupid beyond reproach. Like I said in the other thread, I wouldn't mind seeing Kane do a run-in and help eliminate Snitsky.

 

Also, on the front of JBL coming to Raw...It would be different, but he wouldn't last long on the HHH Show. He's a different breed of heel than HHH and I would only want to see JBL on Raw if HHH went to Smackdown....but that would never happen since they are building to HHH/Orton and Angle/Taker as the WMXXI title matches.

[JoeDirt 0]

If Orton gets counted out or DQ-ed sometime during the match, then obviously the heels win. If not, then Orton gets the pin on HHH and is sole survivor. Those are the two ways I see it working out. The #1 goal here is to make Orton look good, keep that in mind.

[Lightning Flik 0]

HHH's team IS cohesive.

 

They all are gunning HHH's title. I can honestly foresee HHH being the FIRST one out.

 

...now before everyone goes off bitching about how HHH would never let a thing like that happen. Hear me out.

 

So we have everyone else battle it out, and then finally it is down to (for fantasy booking sake) RKO and Edge. It looks like RKO has it won but Flair distracts the ref, while HHH comes from out of the crowd with the mighty sledgehammer to blast RKO and have Edge pin HHH.

 

Why would such a thing happen? Because HHH can then flaunt to every single one of his own team that they OWE HHH for the win and HHH can taunt every single one of them in the following RAW after the PPV and states that since they owe him, they won't battle him for the title. Make it so that HHH looks so desperate to have his own team win and make them owe him, thinking it might get him off the hook, but instead it still backfires in his face and everyone of them guns him.

 

Although, I'd have in the final week before HHH gets his week, Batista vs. HHH and Batista beat HHH. Of course this would lead to HHH going WTF at Batista and Batista just tells HHH to cool it, he just figured HHH wouldn't take him seriously enough and so he'd at least get the World Title once.

 

So we get the rematch at the RAW PPV, because HHH would want the PPV match, but Batista still wins and just kicks the living shit out of HHH to cement his face turn!!!

 

...at least that's how I'd book it.

[Hunter's Torn Quad 0]

About the only thing that is guaranteed is Huner isn't going out first. Not a chance in hell, no matter the booking.

[Lightning Flik 0]

About the only thing that is guaranteed is Huner isn't going out first. Not a chance in hell, no matter the booking.

Since every single one of them is gunning Hunter, perhaps they all won't let him tag out. Ever consider that?

 

I mean, what better way to show up that they are gunning him than to leave him to his own demise? Although, I would only have this after Maven gets pinned first. I guess I should've said at least one face would've left.

[algrim 0]

I agree with HTQ. HHH being eliminated first is not realistic. I can see Batista being eliminated first. That way, HHH turns more paranoid because he doesn't have backup.

[slimm44 0]

I thought Austin's team would win last year and I was proved wrong. It could go either way IMO. I think if HHH's team wins there will still be an uprising. Either way it goes, I don't want to see Snitsky or Maven be in control of RAW.

[Lightning Flik 0]

I agree with HTQ. HHH being eliminated first is not realistic. I can see Batista being eliminated first. That way, HHH turns more paranoid because he doesn't have backup.

If you go with my way, Hunter has to have his fate decided by FOUR other people.

 

If you were Hunter and you had to let your team finish on the sidelines, wouldn't you go paranoid, realizing that perhaps the only guy on your team not possibly gunning your title is Batista (although, we all know he'd go after it). Not only that but it builds up these people to be your contenders. Hell, it at least makes Snitsky credible for a match on RAW at least.

Edited November 12, 2004 by Lightning Flik

[algrim 0]

Your arguments are good, but what I mean with "realistic" is that HHH wouldn't allow the bookers to have him be eliminated first. It wouldn't go with his Superman image.

 

BTW, it's three other people that decide HHH's fate, not four. Unless you know something the rest of us don't.

[Lightning Flik 0]

Your arguments are good, but what I mean with "realistic" is that HHH wouldn't allow the bookers to have him be eliminated first. It wouldn't go with his Superman image.

 

BTW, it's three other people that decide HHH's fate, not four. Unless you know something the rest of us don't.

uh... *checks the match* Shit, I thought it was 5 on 5 for some reason.

 

But actually, his Superman image doesn't take a blow if his team basically hangs his ass out to dry in the tag match. He can go for like 10 minutes and then be pinned.

[algrim 0]

Who knows? You might be on to something. But I really doubt he'll get eliminated first.

[Guest LooneyTune]

This is actually the first Survivor Series match in quite a while where I have no clue who will win.

 

In 2003, it was pretty obvious Team Bischoff was winning, because of the whole "Austin needs to go as GM" being shoved down our throats for months, and with the Randy Orton push going on. The SD Side was a mess, but it seemed obvious team Angle would concur the giants.

 

2002 had the Chamber match, and everyone and God knew HBK was winning.

 

2001 had the obvious Team WWF win.

 

2000 The Radicalz just reformed, so no way they were jobbing. To keep the pendulam even, the faces had to win the other. I can go on for a while longer, but give up now.

 

Team Hunter has no real advantage, which could go either way. Snitsky has been booked last week to look like a monster, which usually is the kiss of death for a PPV Match, which means he might lose by DQ. Batista is always job boy in these matches, and Edge wants Triple H's title. The only way Hunters team wins is if someone not in the match (or on the other team) helps him. We all know he won't lose early, and if he wins, it will be a "Grueling" victory.

 

Team Orton (Boo!) has a cohesive team, and only have Maven as the weak link. Benoit recently has been made into Edges bitch, so I don't see him losing easily, and Jericho is going to be jobbing I bet since they really aren't doing anything with him. I can see Orton losing early by CO/DQ, or by beating Hunter NEAR the end, but not at the end (See also: Benoit/Lesnar 2003). Orton losing by a pinfall isn't smart booking. Maven of course, is the wild card. Nothing really says he might turn, and nothing has been reported of him doing so. That doesn't mean he won't, but it's a "we don't know" right now.

 

If I had to guess, I'd say Triple H's team wins, but I'm really just going on a flip of the coin here.