WCW facts, tidbits, and stuff people forgot

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Also....Reading match results it looked like Savage beat Page every time they faced. How did Page get so over from that feud if he was losing all the time?

 

Page won their first match. Also, there's proof right there that there's a way to make the younger guy lose without burying him. DDP lost most of his matches, but he was a very sympathetic common man, which helped him. He also got plenty of mic time and good lines and Savage was good about really selling the brutality of their matches, coming out the next night on TV all bandaged up and limping.

 

He also was never portrayed as a coward, and always fought the odds straight ahead. Most didn't even notice that he lost so much because he was protected in other ways.

Page also beat him when dressed as La Parka, right before BATB 1997.

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Why was Michael Buffer brought in? And how much did he make?

[Guest wildpegasus]

Where I live, the only WCW we got was Worldwide Friday Night/saturday Mornings at 2:30 AM on WSBK out of Boston. That was all the WCW I got until my cable company finally offered TBS in 1996. So along the lines of what Rudo asked, questions from my childhood.

 

1. I remember Vader squashing El Gigante in a match, I think from Japan, and Vader just destroyed him on the rampway. I think he may have used his mask contraption as a weapon Did this happen and when?

Yeah, I've never seen this but WCW was setting up a feud with El Gigante and Vader at the time. What you saw was probably from one of the New Japan/WCW supershows.

[Guest wildpegasus]

When did NWA/WCW become infatuated with the WWF? I know Jim Ross in the late 80s and early 90s would make vague references like "These aren't musclebound slugs in the ring here folks, with long hair who play rock and roll music, this is the NWA, this is where we WRESTLE" Then in 94 and 95 on Wordwide, Bischoff made references to "being the #1 wrestling company in the world" and "no stupid gimmicks here in WCW" (This was before Nitro went on the air) Did it go back to the mid 80s during the first WWF boom?

From memory, sometime early in 94. Before there was a little bit of competition where they made a couple of inroads in becoming the number 1 company by picking up guys like Ventura, Rude and Heenan. But it was right before Hogan came in that the war started and WCW started acting like they were THE company. "The new #1" was the catchphrase I believe. That's when WCW started to believe and go all out in proclaiming themselves the # 1 company. I didn't like the wrestling direction that WCW was taking but I did like the aggresive direction their attitude took. By viewing themselves as the best they became "the best". When Hogan defeated Flair for the title I think that was the point where it was inevitable that WCW was taking over. You could just feel it at the time.

[Kahran Ramsus 0]

About Chris Adams. He had a 'classic' feud with Glacier over who had the best superkick on Saturday Night, which Adams won.

[UseTheSledgehammerUh 0]

Glacier was thoroughly destroyed by Saturn ina feud over the superkick is well.

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Why was Michael Buffer brought in? And how much did he make?

Because he and Eric Bischoff got their hairpieces from the same place.

 

He was brought in because he was a big name ring announcer from boxing, and they wanted to give WCW the rub from that. I can't remember exactly what he made, but it was a solid six-figure payoff per show.

[Vanhalen 0]

What was WCW coverage like in the UK

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What was WCW coverage like in the UK

The drizzling shits for the most part.

 

IIRC, the UK got Worldwide or Pro on Satellite TV for a while, I think from mid-1990 to mid-1991. Then, from later in 1991, WCW Pro aired on network television on Saturday nights, but usually past Midnight, sometimes as late as 3am. Then, they got Worldwide, which aired on a Saturday afternoon timeslot. While the audience grew, obviously, the network that showed it edited it to oblivion. Anything remotely graphic was cut out, so that a 45 minute program would usually wind up lasting about 25 or 30 minutes. This continued until late 93, when the network shifted Worldwide back to a post-Midnight slot on Thursday nights. By this point, Worldwide was being taped in Disney, yet the show still got cut by around 10-15 minutes each week, despite nothing overtly violent being shown. For a while, around late 1995, Worldwide was back in the Saturday afteroon slot, and was actually pretty good, as they tended to show a UK version, and had some good matches. In April of 1996, Nitro was brought to the UK version of TNT. When Nitro went to 2 hours, though, the UK Version wound up being cut down to 1hr, so they didn't see everything, which made for some confusing storylines. Eventually, I think in early 1998, they began to show the full versions, and when Nitro went to 3hrs they showed that uncut.

[brighty 0]

What was WCW coverage like in the UK

The drizzling shits for the most part.

 

IIRC, the UK got Worldwide or Pro on Satellite TV for a while, I think from mid-1990 to mid-1991. Then, from later in 1991, WCW Pro aired on network television on Saturday nights, but usually past Midnight, sometimes as late as 3am. Then, they got Worldwide, which aired on a Saturday afternoon timeslot. While the audience grew, obviously, the network that showed it edited it to oblivion. Anything remotely graphic was cut out, so that a 45 minute program would usually wind up lasting about 25 or 30 minutes. This continued until late 93, when the network shifted Worldwide back to a post-Midnight slot on Thursday nights. By this point, Worldwide was being taped in Disney, yet the show still got cut by around 10-15 minutes each week, despite nothing overtly violent being shown. For a while, around late 1995, Worldwide was back in the Saturday afteroon slot, and was actually pretty good, as they tended to show a UK version, and had some good matches. In April of 1996, Nitro was brought to the UK version of TNT. When Nitro went to 2 hours, though, the UK Version wound up being cut down to 1hr, so they didn't see everything, which made for some confusing storylines. Eventually, I think in early 1998, they began to show the full versions, and when Nitro went to 3hrs they showed that uncut.

and when Thunder started we had Friday nights of Nitro from 8-11 and Thunder from 11-1

 

and repeats of WorldWide have been shown since mid 2002, basically starting from early 1990 (run up to Flair dropping the belt to Sting) and we're now at mid-late 1992 (last week Ron Simmons' world title win and Jake The Snake attacking Sting was shown). but this show is being dropped at the end of the year due to low ratings.

[Si82 0]

What was WCW coverage like in the UK

The drizzling shits for the most part.

 

IIRC, the UK got Worldwide or Pro on Satellite TV for a while, I think from mid-1990 to mid-1991. Then, from later in 1991, WCW Pro aired on network television on Saturday nights, but usually past Midnight, sometimes as late as 3am. Then, they got Worldwide, which aired on a Saturday afternoon timeslot. While the audience grew, obviously, the network that showed it edited it to oblivion. Anything remotely graphic was cut out, so that a 45 minute program would usually wind up lasting about 25 or 30 minutes. This continued until late 93, when the network shifted Worldwide back to a post-Midnight slot on Thursday nights. By this point, Worldwide was being taped in Disney, yet the show still got cut by around 10-15 minutes each week, despite nothing overtly violent being shown. For a while, around late 1995, Worldwide was back in the Saturday afteroon slot, and was actually pretty good, as they tended to show a UK version, and had some good matches. In April of 1996, Nitro was brought to the UK version of TNT. When Nitro went to 2 hours, though, the UK Version wound up being cut down to 1hr, so they didn't see everything, which made for some confusing storylines. Eventually, I think in early 1998, they began to show the full versions, and when Nitro went to 3hrs they showed that uncut.

and when Thunder started we had Friday nights of Nitro from 8-11 and Thunder from 11-1

 

and repeats of WorldWide have been shown since mid 2002, basically starting from early 1990 (run up to Flair dropping the belt to Sting) and we're now at mid-late 1992 (last week Ron Simmons' world title win and Jake The Snake attacking Sting was shown). but this show is being dropped at the end of the year due to low ratings.

Five also showed WCW Worldwide at 7:00pm on a Friday from July 1999 (the one with the return of Eddie Guerrero) until the end of the company in March 2001.

 

I also think that the last one they showed was a repeat of the first one they showed. I might be wrong with that though but I knew the first show was repeated at some point.

[Vanhalen 0]

IIRC correctly Five were something like 3 or 4 weeks behind, I also have one of the promos on tape, when I used to tape Prisoner Cell Block H, where Hogan says hes going to take over Channel 5(as it was known then) and various other wrestlers make comments about the UK, pretty generic

[brighty 0]

What was WCW coverage like in the UK

The drizzling shits for the most part.

 

IIRC, the UK got Worldwide or Pro on Satellite TV for a while, I think from mid-1990 to mid-1991. Then, from later in 1991, WCW Pro aired on network television on Saturday nights, but usually past Midnight, sometimes as late as 3am. Then, they got Worldwide, which aired on a Saturday afternoon timeslot. While the audience grew, obviously, the network that showed it edited it to oblivion. Anything remotely graphic was cut out, so that a 45 minute program would usually wind up lasting about 25 or 30 minutes. This continued until late 93, when the network shifted Worldwide back to a post-Midnight slot on Thursday nights. By this point, Worldwide was being taped in Disney, yet the show still got cut by around 10-15 minutes each week, despite nothing overtly violent being shown. For a while, around late 1995, Worldwide was back in the Saturday afteroon slot, and was actually pretty good, as they tended to show a UK version, and had some good matches. In April of 1996, Nitro was brought to the UK version of TNT. When Nitro went to 2 hours, though, the UK Version wound up being cut down to 1hr, so they didn't see everything, which made for some confusing storylines. Eventually, I think in early 1998, they began to show the full versions, and when Nitro went to 3hrs they showed that uncut.

and when Thunder started we had Friday nights of Nitro from 8-11 and Thunder from 11-1

 

and repeats of WorldWide have been shown since mid 2002, basically starting from early 1990 (run up to Flair dropping the belt to Sting) and we're now at mid-late 1992 (last week Ron Simmons' world title win and Jake The Snake attacking Sting was shown). but this show is being dropped at the end of the year due to low ratings.

Five also showed WCW Worldwide at 7:00pm on a Friday from July 1999 (the one with the return of Eddie Guerrero) until the end of the company in March 2001.

 

I also think that the last one they showed was a repeat of the first one they showed. I might be wrong with that though but I knew the first show was repeated at some point.

oh god yeah, with the batman graphics when there'd be chairshots and stuff - what a joke.

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HAHAHA, Id actually forgotten about them, basically what Brighty means is that whenever anyone got twatted with a chair, this big cartoon speech bubble would appear saying "OOOOOF" or "OUCH!" or "CRASH" or my personal favourite, "BANG!", they would also remove the sound of the chair, why they couldnt just cut to the crowd like the WWE has been doing for years is beyond me

[Prophet of Mike Zagurski 0]

1. When did Mondo Guerrero stop wrestling and what is he doing now?

 

2. Did the Faces of Fear ever do anything significant and when did they seperate?

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The faces Of Fear were pushed as a moderate force from late 96. They had a number of tag title shots against Hall and Nash one being at Starcade 96 which of course they lost. Midway through 97 Meng was put into a side feud with Chris Benoit at the same time the Crippler was going against Sullivan. They had a so called "death match" at the GAB 97. The FOF stayed together up to the summer of 1998. They split up out of nowhere and wrestled each other in the opener at Road Wild 98 where Meng won in a bad match. This was the start of the monster Meng push while the Barbarian dropped down the card.

[Guest wildpegasus]

The faces Of Fear were pushed as a moderate force from late 96. They had a number of tag title shots against Hall and Nash one being at Starcade 96 which of course they lost. Midway through 97 Meng was put into a side feud with Chris Benoit at the same time the Crippler was going against Sullivan. They had a so called "death match" at the GAB 97. The FOF stayed together up to the summer of 1998. They split up out of nowhere and wrestled each other in the opener at Road Wild 98 where Meng won in a bad match. This was the start of the monster Meng push while the Barbarian dropped down the card.

Meng always had a monstor push. When he first came in to WCW he was an absolute deadly machine as a bodyguard. His superkick would put anybody out for a certain period of time. After awhile his monstrosity was toned down but it was always there. For example, he was one of the guys who would give Goldberg his toughest challenge.

 

And BTW, Benoit vs Meng's first death match is a very good match. Reccomended.

[cmpunk04 0]

Yeah I have that match on tape and it is very enjoyable.

[deancoles 0]

2.  Did the Faces of Fear ever do anything significant

They were one of the few teams who got a clean win over the Steiner Brothers(Nitro in october 97) and had a great move which involved meng backdropping a guy into a Barbarian powerbomb.

 

Edit: apart from Faces of Fear, Doom and Doc and Gordy can anyone else recall a clean Steiners loss in NWA/WCW?

Edited November 17, 2004 by deancoles411

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2.  Did the Faces of Fear ever do anything significant

They were one of the few teams who got a clean win over the Steiner Brothers(Nitro in october 97) and had a great move which involved meng backdropping a guy into a Barbarian powerbomb.

 

Edit: apart from Faces of Fear, Doom and Doc and Gordy can anyone else recall a clean Steiners loss in NWA/WCW?

Actually, it was on the 9/22/97 Nitro. Meng pinned Rick clean with the Tongan Death Grip. As for Doom, if you mean when Doom won the tag titles, it wasn't a clean loss. Apart from the aforementioned losses to FoF and Doc and Gordy, I don't think they did another totally clean job at all in WCW.

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Yes, Doom defeated The Steiner Brothers at Capital Combat to win the WCW World Tag Team Titles.

 

Rick had one of them up for a top-rope belly-to-belly. The other Doom member hit Rick from behind, causing Rick's opponent to fall on top of him, and they pinned him.

 

The Freebirds also defeated The Steiners at the Clash when Woman (then Robin Green, Steiners co-valet) accidently tripped Scotty.

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The Freebirds also defeated The Steiners at the Clash when Woman (then Robin Green, Steiners co-valet) accidently tripped Scotty.

That was a deliberate trip. It led to Green becoming Woman, and bringing in Doom.

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A few comments:

 

1. They really always took shots at the WWF even in the Crockett era, but particularly once Turner bought the company. I distinctly remember Ross during the Flair-Steamboat 2 out of 3 falls saying something to the effect of "They've been wrestling for 50 minutes, and I don't mean walking around the ring and posing."

 

2. Bill Watts was asked about the Ron Simmons title win in his shoot interview and said "Name me one other sport where the black athlete doesn't excel." Basically, he thought a black World Champion added to the credibility of wrestling as a sport. I personally find it odd that the one wrestling promoter to actually put a black wrestler at the top of the card would be the one who was fired for allegedly being racist.

[Guest MikeSC]

And they fired him after he had surgery, I believe. That's what I couldn't remember. There was an Ultimo Dragon story around the same time that was similar, where WCW's doctor ended up injuring him and forcing him into an early retirement, but I can never remember which story is which. I do know there was major controversy over DBS's firing.

Well, the back was injured due to the whole "Warrior trap door" thing. I'm honestly shocked that nobody ever brought malpractice suits against whatever doctor WCW used. Foley definitely had no love for the man.

-=Mike

[Guest Salacious Crumb]

Yeah I never understood why there was never a lawsuit either. Though I didn't think the WCW doctors worked on Davey Boy. I thought it was just the injury that led him down the pain killer addiction road.

[Guest MikeSC]

Did Hogan ever get the blame for the horrible Uncensored 2000 buyrate or any of the other 99-00 buyrates he popped?

No --- that was all chalked up to "Nobody could draw numbers with the problems in WCW". He always got the credit for the "good" numbers (good in WCW being very relative), but little of the heat when the entire company imploded in late 1999-early 2000.

I know Funk hates Nash for their Souled Out 2000 match. Was he upset that Nash made him look like a joke or was there something else?

I'd imagine making him look bad in the ring is reason enough. Sad, because from everything I gather, Funk is a fairly likeable fella.

Why did WCW go to a wide angle and make it hard to view matches when someone gigged?

At that point, WCW's numbers had plummeted and they didn't have the power necessary to get away with it. Their PPV buy numbers were so abysmal that it wouldn't have taken a lot for the PPV companies to remove them.

-=Mike

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About Hogan and buyrates, I always found it interesting when looking at the buyrates in 2000:

 

Souled Out - .25

SuperBrawl - .15

Uncensored - .13

Spring Stampede - .25

Slamboree - .14

Great American Bash - .19

 

The two PPVs where Hogan didn't wrestle have higher buyrates than all the others. Sure, they're all incredibly low, but it proves that Hogan was no draw during his last run in WCW.

[Guest MikeSC]

Didn't Sullivan treat her like shit? That's what I remember reading at that long DVDR thread

It's possible, I don't really know a whole lot about Sullivan as a person though.

Well, that's what Missy Hyatt thinks. But it's hard to take her all that seriously.

-=Mike

[Guest Salacious Crumb]

I hate Missy passionately. Her commentary used to make me want to kill myself.

 

I don't know how she'd know if Sullivan beat his wife though. As drugged out as that bitch was I'm surprised she even remembers being in wrestling.

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On the UK coverage subject, was there any truth to the rumour that TNT was planning to show WCW PPVs in some capacity before the buy-out, or was that false. Also...

 

 

1) How long did Owen Hart last in the company. I remember him being around in the early 90s and getting a couple of wins. Must have been in the years between The Blue Blazer and The Rocket.

 

2) Same with Art Barr as The Juicer. And did he ever get used as anything more than enhancement talent.

 

3) Was the deal with Goldberg injuring himself on the car window down to an arguement with Scott Hall?

 

4) Did Bischoff's plans of giving away Raw results ever work in WCW's favour in terms of ratings, before Foley vs Rock.

 

5) Regarding the D-X Invasion of WCW...did anyone ever have the idea to let D-X into the building at any point and what affect do you believe letting them in would have had on WCW?