WCW facts, tidbits, and stuff people forgot

[Hunter's Torn Quad 0]

4/10/00 was meant to see Russo lead the new guys and Bischoff lead the old guys, and that had been the plan since they were put back in charge a couple of weeks before. But they felt it was better to swerve the internet fans instead.

[Guest Salacious Crumb]

I agree, April 10th as a stand alone show is surreal for what had led up to it.  It's just that they fucked it up in every way shape and form until 2001 hit.

 

I was really sad when WCW closed because they were really cranking out some solid to good shows every week in 2001.

Umm, WHAT?

 

4/10/00 was a cop-out and nobody should have given them a chance.

-=Mike

The show wasn't really that bad.

 

The fatal flaw in the whole thing was the face/heel thing. For a company that hadn't done anything remotely interesting in the year and a half leading up to that it was a very different experience for a Nitro.

[Guest MikeSC]

I agree, April 10th as a stand alone show is surreal for what had led up to it.  It's just that they fucked it up in every way shape and form until 2001 hit.

 

I was really sad when WCW closed because they were really cranking out some solid to good shows every week in 2001.

Umm, WHAT?

 

4/10/00 was a cop-out and nobody should have given them a chance.

-=Mike

The show wasn't really that bad.

 

The fatal flaw in the whole thing was the face/heel thing. For a company that hadn't done anything remotely interesting in the year and a half leading up to that it was a very different experience for a Nitro.

The show itself was horrendous (at the time, I was one of the few people on WrestleLine who panned it). It had the same problem Spring Stampede had. They just threw crap on the wall and hoped something would stick.

 

I didn't find it interesting. I found it to simply replace the previous crap with a new version of crap.

-=Mike

[Hunter's Torn Quad 0]

It didn't help that almost every match, or maybe even every match, had the exact same finish or big spot; someone running in to interfere.

[MillenniumMan831 0]

What the heck was Nash doing when Awesome attacked him on the 4/10/2000 Nitro? He was just standing in the middle of the ring w/ a big, dumb, goofy smile on his face when Awesome ambushed him. Pretty funny actually. I assume he was just cutting a promo but I just wanted to point it out.

 

What exactly was Jericho doing w/ the markerboard in the buildup to Starrcade 1998 on Nitro. There was a clip of it on Starrcade 1998 where Jericho whomps the Konnan imposter and there's a markerboard perched in the ring. Can anyone explain?

 

Thanks again!

[Guest MikeSC]

What the heck was Nash doing when Awesome attacked him on the 4/10/2000 Nitro? He was just standing in the middle of the ring w/ a big, dumb, goofy smile on his face when Awesome ambushed him. Pretty funny actually. I assume he was just cutting a promo but I just wanted to point it out.

 

What exactly was Jericho doing w/ the markerboard in the buildup to Starrcade 1998 on Nitro. There was a clip of it on Starrcade 1998 where Jericho whomps the Konnan imposter and there's a markerboard perched in the ring. Can anyone explain?

 

Thanks again!

If memory serves (isn't it sad how little sense WCW angles made?) he was trying to explain how Konnan beat him for the TV Title and how he'd correct it and win the rematch at Starrcade.

-=Mike

[Hunter's Torn Quad 0]

What the heck was Nash doing when Awesome attacked him on the 4/10/2000 Nitro? He was just standing in the middle of the ring w/ a big, dumb, goofy smile on his face when Awesome ambushed him. Pretty funny actually. I assume he was just cutting a promo but I just wanted to point it out.

He was cutting a typically boring promo.

[Jericholic82 0]

What the heck was Nash doing when Awesome attacked him on the 4/10/2000 Nitro?  He was just standing in the middle of the ring w/ a big, dumb, goofy smile on his face when Awesome ambushed him.  Pretty funny actually.  I assume he was just cutting a promo but I just wanted to point it out.

 

What exactly was Jericho doing w/ the markerboard in the buildup to Starrcade 1998 on Nitro.  There was a clip of it on Starrcade 1998 where Jericho whomps the Konnan imposter and there's a markerboard perched in the ring.  Can anyone explain?

 

Thanks again!

If memory serves (isn't it sad how little sense WCW angles made?) he was trying to explain how Konnan beat him for the TV Title and how he'd correct it and win the rematch at Starrcade.

-=Mike

yea he was telling how konnan cheated numerous ways to beat him it was pretty funny indeed.

[MikeJordan23 0]

Does anyone have a list of matches RVD had in WCW? DDTDigest only goes back to 96.

 

I don't have a list per say. I know that he defeated Shaghai Pierce (Mideon) in the first round of the TV Title tournament and then lost to Vinnie Vegas (Nash) in the semis. I also remember a match against Scotty Flamingo (Raven). I think he may have even won that match.

Yeah I have that Robby V vs. Scotty Flamingo match on my computer. Rob did indeed win, and was pretty over.

[MillenniumMan831 0]

Was Lenny Lane supposed to join MIA? I seem to remember in 2000 he was carrying around a "USE ME" sign. I figured it was a natural fit that he would join the MIA but he disppeared again. Any explanation on what went on? Thanks.

[alfdogg 0]

Who was intended to be the famous "Hummer" driver?

Carmen Electra.

Please tell me you're kidding.

[Hunter's Torn Quad 0]

Who was intended to be the famous "Hummer" driver?

Carmen Electra.

Please tell me you're kidding.

I'm kidding.

 

I'm not actually kidding, but you wanted me to tell you I am, so I am.

[JasonX 0]

What the heck was Nash doing when Awesome attacked him on the 4/10/2000 Nitro? He was just standing in the middle of the ring w/ a big, dumb, goofy smile on his face when Awesome ambushed him. Pretty funny actually. I assume he was just cutting a promo but I just wanted to point it out.

Nash was doing a "breaking the fourth wall" interview with him bitching about the chaos around him on that particular Nitro combined with him actually having the gall to state that his liked things better during that extremely dark period after Benoit and company jumped ship (which led to his often quoten remark of "What happened to the dude who thought he was a dog?") before gettiong jumped by Mike Awesome....

[Guest Ice Classic V.2]

Did Awesome jumping Nash ever lead to anything?

[UseTheSledgehammerUh 0]

Not really.

 

Nash would cost Awesome a U.S. Title semifinal match at Spring Stampede.

[Guest JohnnySwift]

Not really.

 

Nash would cost Awesome a U.S. Title semifinal match at Spring Stampede.

In the ring or backstage?

[Slickster 0]

Not really.

 

Nash would cost Awesome a U.S. Title semifinal match at Spring Stampede.

In the ring or backstage?

LOL

He hit Awesome with his crutch and cost him the match.

[pgi86 0]

I have lots of questions that have been bugging me for quite a while now so here it goes:

 

1. What`s this DDTDigest you all are mentioning?

 

2.Anybody can give me some details on Ian Harrison/Mr Universe/British Storm`s WCW run?

 

3.Anybody know what plans WCW had for Bob Sapp?

 

4.What was the deal behind Lance Storm winning 3 titles at the same time.Did WCW have any serious plans for Lance?

 

5.How were The Natural Born Thrillers created?

 

6.Can anybody give me some info on The Magnificent Seven?Who were they?How and why were they created?

 

7.How did Booker T. join MIA?

 

8.What happened to Wrath right after his december 98 lost to Nash?I think he-reappeared in 2000?Am I correct?

 

9.How did the new Blood unfold?

 

10.I`ve heard that WCW had big plans for "the blood runs cold" storyline.What was that all about?

[Guest Thrashist]

1. DDT Digest - A site that closely followed WCW for years, documenting every (?) Nitro and Thunder for a long time. So basically it's one of the last sources of our recollection of the company.

 

3. Bob Sapp - I think WCW went out of business before anything there materialized.

 

4. Lance Storm - Winning all three midcard titles is pretty serious enough IMO. He was the company's top uppercard heel. Whether that would have carried over to a world title reign, who knows with that company. Probably not once Russo was out of there.

 

5. NBT - Well I know Jindrak/O'Haire was a tag team, and Palumbo/Stasiak was too. My memory is a bit shaky, but I know that they had to switch partners for a match and thus how the alliance formed. How Reno and Mike Sanders got involved and the stable was officially started, not sure.

 

6. Mag Seven - Flair, Jarrett, Luger, Bagwell, Animal and the Steiners. Shitty, shitty faction, and their main rivals were Dusty and Dustin Rhodes. I've blocked the details of this group out of my head subconsciously.

 

7. Booker - After the New Blood/Millionaire's Club lines were drawn, Booker T happened to be the one that actually formed the group of wrestlers who were young but couldn't be heels.

[Use Your Illusion 0]

If memory serves me correctly, Wrath just waded around in the mid-card doing nothing spectacular. He actually had a PPV match with Bam Bam at Souled Out 1999, which he won (I *think*. May need Hunter to verify that one. It's been a long time since I've watched that show).

 

He certainly did re-appear in 2000 when WCW did their 4000th or so 'reboot'. He brought a newly slimmed down Bryan Adams who were both collectively referred to as Kronik. They were pretty much a blatant rip-off of the A.P.A, even going as far as to accept money later on that year for random acts of ass kicking.

 

I love this thread.

 

UYI

[BUTT 0]

I remember Bob Sapp doing a really bad interview on Thunder in late 2000. That was, I believe, his only WCW appearance.

 

And I need to hear more about Carmen Electra being the hummer driver.

[Hunter's Torn Quad 0]

If memory serves me correctly, Wrath just waded around in the mid-card doing nothing spectacular. He actually had a PPV match with Bam Bam at Souled Out 1999, which he won (I *think*. May need Hunter to verify that one. It's been a long time since I've watched that show).

Bigelow won in 9:23.

[Use Your Illusion 0]

Well there you go. I have no clue what the hell Wrath did for the rest of the year, as by then WCW was boring as horseshit and I was a bondafide WWF fan.

[Hunter's Torn Quad 0]

Well there you go. I have no clue what the hell Wrath did for the rest of the year.

His Nitro appearances for 1999 were:

 

A DCO with Bigelow on January 4th

A pinfall loss to Disco Inferno on January 18th

A pinfall win over Kenny Kaos on March 28th

 

For Thunder:

 

A pinfall win over El Dandy on January 14th

A pinfall win over Damian on April 7th

A no-contest with Jerry Flynn on April 14th

[MikeJordan23 0]

I came across this, and thought it was dope, so I'll post it since it does relate to WCW

 

http://s3.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=E8C7B059...E5DCC8F1F0946FF

[Jericholic82 0]

How long did he feud with Raven? How long did Saturn feud with Raven?

 

Kanyon started attacking Raven in the April / May months as a "random fan". Revealed himself to everyone at Slamboree. He feuded with Saturn and Raven from June til about September when all of a sudden Kanyon and Raven were best buddies (WTF? What happened there?) Initially, Kanyon was just taking Saturn's place in the Flock before they disbanded due to the Fall Brawl match stipulations.

 

Saturn started showing rebellion against Raven at Slamboree when he chose to face to Goldberg by himself again to prove his loss to Goldberg at Stampede the previous month wasn't a fluke rather than have Goldberg face all the Flock members in a "Gauntlet" - like match. Saturn then feuded with Raven in June and then had the blow-off at Fall Brawl.

the precursor to this was raven asking mortis to join the flock then turning on him and giving him a beating with the rest of the flock. then several times raven was ttacked by some starnge guy (mortis without a mask) raven got JJ dillon to provide security for him prior to his bowery match against ddp at slamboree. during the match the guards (who were in riot gear) attacked ddp except for one guard who attacked raven took off his helmetto reveal mortis, who unmasked to show he was the fan who had been attacking raven. on nitro kanyon did a backstage interview in which he explained his hatred for raven and that he wanted to be called Kanyon now.

 

this was pretty over with the crowd , but they had kanyon join up with raven later on for whatever reason without the two having so much as a televised one on one match (kanyon fought saturn at gab 98)

 

 

 

 

 

of course kanyon later went on to form the jersey triad with DDP and BBB and sharing the tag belts (Triad vs Benoit/Saturn at bash ta the beach 99 is largely forgoten but an awesome match)

[Jericholic82 0]

1.) Did WCW have any idea what to do after Starrcade 1997, because it seem to me at the time that they didn't. Was WCW so busy concentrating on the buildup and the actual show, that they had no idea what to do after it was all said and done? Was the splitting of the nWo into the Wolfpac and the Black and White planned months in advance or was it on the fly?

 

2.) Was there any explanation as to why Dale Torborg transform from a racecar driver who appeared on WCW Worldwide, to the MVP-Most Violent Player who wore facepaint and a baseball uniform and who wrestled on Thunder, to the KISS Demon who had a feud with Vampiro?

 

3.) Whatever happened to the WCW Presidency angle? I remember Sting beating Ric Flair for the presidency in July 1999, being president for a week or two, and then it was dropped.

 

4.) I remember a Nitro in October 1999 when Macho Man Randy Savage came out with Gorgeous George dressed like a pimp from a 70s movie talking about how he was going to introduce the future of wrestling later that night. But nothing happened. Who was Savage going to introduce, and why was it dropped?

 

5.) Speaking of Mach, why did he disappeared after his match with Dennis Rodman at Road Wild 1999? And why did he come back on Thunder in May 2000 and interfered in the New Blood vs. Millionaire's Club battle royal, but didn't show up on Nitro and was never mention again?

 

6.) Why did Hogan go back to dressing up like Hollywood Hogan in 2000 during the New Blood vs. Millionaire's Club feud?

 

7.) I remember on the Thunder before the first Russo/Bischoff show in 2000, that Hogan was interviewed by Mike Tenay. He said something along the lines of "Billy Kidman couldn't draw a flea market." Was that a shoot? Or was that meant to a way to start the Hogan/Kidman feud? And why would Hogan feud with Kidman of all people if Hogan ended up winning the blow-off?

 

8.) Is it true that Vince Russo won the WCW Title once? If so, when? And why?

 

9.) Why did Bret Hart feud with Will Sasso of Mad TV in 1999?

 

10.) When did WCW stop working with Master P. and why?

 

11.) Why did Rey Mysterio, Juventud Guererra, and Psichosic lose their masks? And I heard that Rey's attitude changed and his match quality dropped after he lost the mask. Is this true? Was he lazy after he lost the mask?

 

12.) When did DJ Ran start appearing on Nitro and on the pay-per-views, when did he stop, and what was the point of it? Wrestling shows don't need DJs!

 

Is it me, or did alot of WCW shows from 1999 and 2000 have dead crowds? It seems like the crowd never reacted to anything.

2. Torborg wasnt originally the demon torborg was doing his mvp gimmick on thunder and sat night mostly. Bryan Adams(Crush) was the first guy to play the demon (original choice) he made an appearance during a live kiss performance on nitro but was never seen again. awhile later torborg started wrestling as demon with no mention by announcers of another guy in the role even though you could tell he wasnt the original guy.

 

demon went on to form a weird team with norman smiley after norman stole his gear and wore it to the ring.

 

had that special main event match a caged heat (wcw version of HIAC) match to the wall which he lost pretty quickly

 

 

later in summer he did a feud with vampiro over his girlfriend Asya (yes that asya) vamp broke character and called demon dale and they showed him without makeup on nitro. this led to a graveyard match (held in an actual graveyard in the night) at BATB 2000 which demon lost and then he turned heel and joined vampiro

 

 

 

of course none of this compares to the supposed planned wcw/kissnew years eve ppv in which demon was going to douse vampiro with holy water and turn him face (the angle was going to be that vamp was aligned with the devil and demon fought against evil or somethin-great bischoff ideas)

 

 

 

 

 

 

3.They dropped the angle. sting was originally going to turn over the presidency to the newly face eric bischoff but eric got canned and so did the angle

 

 

6. cuz at first he started wrestling under his real name of terry bolea and wearing all black, eventually he went back to hollywood to "get his edge back"

 

9. sasso also helped piper beat bret for the us title. after wilson turned on him the next ep of madtv (which i saw in syndication on com central a while back) piper came on and had the two make up

 

12. who cares he sucked.... this was after wcw hired rikki ractman of MTV Headbangers Ball fame as an interviewer/guy to pump up crowd

[Jericholic82 0]

I'm pleasantly surprised that Konnan's music video hasn't been mentioned in this topic

 

Man, I wish you hadn't brought that up. They showed that shit every week for like two months, they were so fucking desperate to keep Konnan over. Didn't it have a remix?

 

Anything music related in WCW, apart from entrance themes, was a horrible disaster. Music videos, KISS, Master P, whoever the fucking country & western dudes they brought in were, THAT FUCKING DJ, it all sucked.

 

Re: Apocalypse, I've never liked that name first of all and I think it's just something the net cooked up because they needed something to call them.

 

The angle definitely would have got over with the WCW crowd, probably get them pushed into a feud with the nWo if people aren't interfering with the booking, but I always wondered who the 4th Horseman was going to be. AA was already out or on the way out of active duty. Jarrett wasn't over at that point (the dicking around with the Horsemen with no payoff would have been rectified though, maybe he would have picked up heat from that), Mongo was still green, they would have needed a strong 4th man. I can't think of anyone at that time who would have fit the Horsemen other than Luger, but I wonder who WCW had in mind.

konnan had 2 music videos. the first debuted at halloween havoc 98 (when konann was still a wolfpac member) and that song eventually became the theme for the filthy animals (and rey too used it till the end of wcw)

 

in early 99 kdog debuted the second video which was the aforementioned one where disco made a pardoy of it with shots of him inserted (now that was funny)

 

this led to a konnan-disco match at Slamboree 99 I think (or it might have been spring stampede actually) konnan won

[Jericholic82 0]

Who was intended to be the famous "Hummer" driver?

damn the hummer driver angle that would just not die it first apeared during the nash-savage feud leading to their world title match at GAB 99 . someone in a hummer ran over nash on behalf of savage. I think the original plan was rumored to be eric bischoff driving, but he got fired soon after. this angle would be brought up several times more, Savage hinted that the driver would be at road wild 99 to help him against dennis rodman but that didnt happen. later on in the year lex luger showed sting a picture of hogan in front of a hummer trying to convince sting that hogan was bad. it must have worked since Sting turned heel at Fall Brawl 99 (well turned heel in theory as the crowd just cheered him more)

 

 

"Whered you get that picture luger?" lol

 

 

 

 

finally we got closure. on the april 10th nitro bischoff ran over hogan with the hummer and I guess we were supposed to infer that it was indeed bischoof who was the driver all along/

[Use Your Illusion 0]

It was also briefly implied that Sid Vicious was the hummer driver, which would've been fine and saved a lot of headaches. Sid jumped Nash, to my great surprise (don't know if any of the rest of you saw it coming/bothered to actually order the show), after he beat Savage at the Great American Bash 1999.

 

There was no big Sid vs. Nash blow off to that particular incident though. However, they did meet again at Starrcade '99 in one of the worst matches I've ever seen in my life.