WCW facts, tidbits, and stuff people forgot

[Jericho2000Mark 0]

Wasn't Lanny already under contract anyway(I heard it was ridiculously high)?

[BUTT 0]

OK, I just found this from a 2002 interview with The Maestro (AKA Gorgeous George III)

 

The Maestro talked about Randy Savage, saying that Savage purchased the rights to the Gorgeous George name and wanted Lanny Poffo to use the name in WCW, but gave the name to his valet instead, which upset him because his plans to use his indies name, Gorgeous George III, in WCW had to be changed. He then said that Eric Bischoff helped him come up with the Maestro name.

 

http://www.sportsonly.com/nb/8661/bin/201.html

[BUTT 0]

By the way, would it have been THAT hard for WCW to just say, "OK, Shane Douglas bailed on Steamboat so he's teaming with Tom Zenk? It's not like Douglas was a draw or anything.

[Guest Frank_Nabbit]

By the way, would it have been THAT hard for WCW to just say, "OK, Shane Douglas bailed on Steamboat so he's teaming with Tom Zenk? It's not like Douglas was a draw or anything.

Probably just to be a dick to Douglas, who always wanted a higher position, and I believe he complained about being paired with RICKY F'N STEAMBOAT!

 

IIRC

[Just John 0]

I never watched WCW so I suck at there history, so here is probably a stupid question: when and why did the original nWo split up? Into how many factions and what were they called? Were they Heel or Face? Why the hell did everybody join the nWo, that never made sense.

Slamboree 1998. Scott Hall turned on Nash costing them the tag titles. Nash went on to form the face Wolfpac and Hall stayed with the heel Black and White. It stayed this way for about 7 months when both factions reunited as heels with the fingerpoke incident. Although, only the top names were kept in the reunited NWO (which kept the black/red wolfpac theme). The jobbers (like Stevie Ray, Scott Norton, Vincent, and Horace) were left in the black/white stable, which became known as the "NWO B-team." After Hogan was injured at Spring Stampede 99, they all just went their separate ways.

 

Couldn't tell you about any of the later versions, but that's what happened to the original.

[LessonInMachismo 0]

I never watched WCW so I suck at there history, so here is probably a stupid question: when and why did the original nWo split up? Into how many factions and what were they called? Were they Heel or Face? Why the hell did everybody join the nWo, that never made sense.

Slamboree 1998. Scott Hall turned on Nash costing them the tag titles. Nash went on to form the face Wolfpac and Hall stayed with the heel Black and White. It stayed this way for about 7 months when both factions reunited as heels with the fingerpoke incident. Although, only the top names were kept in the reunited NWO (which kept the black/red wolfpac theme). The jobbers (like Stevie Ray, Scott Norton, Vincent, and Horace) were left in the black/white stable, which became known as the "NWO B-team." After Hogan was injured at Spring Stampede 99, they all just went their separate ways.

 

Couldn't tell you about any of the later versions, but that's what happened to the original.

Actually, the red and black Wolfpac existed before Slamboree '98. It was Nash, Konnan, Luger, Rude and Hennig (am I missing anyone?)

 

Hall returned from one of this hiatuses as a member, but as mentioned before, turned on Nash in the ME, which was Hall and Nash (faces, accompanied by Dusty) against Giant and Sting (heel and face, respectively). The black and white were trying to get Sting to join. Hall turned on Nash so Sting and Giant won the belts and Sting was handed an nWo shirt. The PPV ended with him looking at it and Tony S. actually said some lame line like "WOW! YOU'LL HAVE TO BUY OUR NEXT PPV TO FIND OUT WHAT THIS ALL MEANS!" or some such. Dusty also took off his red jacket and sided with Giant and Hall.

 

The next PPV was Great American Bash. Sting wound up not wanting to be nWo (duh) and a match was set for GAB: Him vs. Giant, with the winner taking the tag belts and choosing their own partner. Sting came out in red face paint. He won. He chose Nash.

 

Then the Wolfpac went on to become huge faces, almost as over as Goldberg was at the time. I know I was a big mark for them.

[BUTT 0]

I believe Savage was a Wolfpac member in the beginning. Also, Sting joined the Wolfpac two weeks before Bash '98.

[Just John 0]

Are you sure the Wolfpac was around before Hall turned on Nash? I know there were two distinct groups that didn't like each other in the NWO, but I didn't think they were officially a separate stable.

[CBright7831 0]

May 1997

 

- Nash, Hall, and Syxx came out to the announce booth and after chasing Tony, Mike, and Bobby (who tried jumping over the announce booth I might add) complained about Hollywood Hogan and the NWO out partying while they were out here doing business, etc. They told all of the NWO members to be in ??? next week for Nitro and they said they were going to settle a couple of things.

 

- The next week, a meeting took place in the ring and the the NWO made up thus the break up tease was over...for now.

 

December 1997

 

- Syxx was released from WCW.

 

- Sting beats Hogan for the WCW title...or so we thought.

 

January 1998

 

- Macho went psycho after Luger beat him up a small package/roll up. Macho put Luger on the ring post and grabbed achair and was preparing to swing but Bischoff stopped him, and got nailed with a clothesline. Hogan and Nash came down, after a brief arguement, Macho pushed Hogan, and Nash clotheslined Macho from behind and walked off. Sting came out, and some other stuff happened I think it ended with Hogan and Macho trying to make a comeback on Luger/Sting but both got the crap kicked out of them. That ended the show I think.

 

- The first Thunder, Macho was in the opening match with Chris Adams. Mach had the match won, but Luger came down and rocked Macho with a steel chair and Adams picked up the victory.

 

- J.J. Dillion overturned that decision later on that night and Luger said he wasn't going to take it anymore.

 

- The title was put up for grabs on Thunder, they would reach a decision soon. Sting spoke for the first time. Macho was the only member absent.

 

- Luger beat Macho @ Souled Out. Nash and Hogan came out, but Sting and Luger despensed them quickly.

 

- NWO had another meeting in the ring. Savage was pissed the NWO was not helping him in his feud with Luger. He said Bischoff, Hogan did not care about him. Hogan said he wasn't the important one of the group at the moment, he was. After threatening to get in the ring with a chair Macho left, and nothing was resolved.

 

- Macho came down and jumped Luger during his match with Scott Hall, and Savage was going to elbow drop Luger (I'm not sure if he was elbow dropping him over and over again for if he had a chair on his head or what). Sting came down from the rafter and in a cool moment drop kicked Savage off the turnbuckle. As Sting locked Savage into the Deathlock Hogan and Hall strolled around the ring, not helping Savage. They both walked to the back.

 

February 1998

 

- Savage lost to Luger at Superbrawl, and Hogan caused the loss I believe, so later that night Macho came out and hit Hogan in the head with spraypaint can and helped Sting win the vacant WCW belt.

 

- As Sting was getting beat on, Macho tried to come out and help, but to no avail. He quickly got beat down.

 

March 1998

 

- Hogan and Savage fought at Uncensored and then the Disciple got in the ring so it was 2 on 1. Sting came down and then Savage turned on Sting and piledrived him. Hogan tried to make amends with Savage but he wasn't having it.

 

- The next night on Nitro, Hogan tried again, but Macho said no and he also stated he would beat Sting at Spring Stampede. The main event was Hogan/Macho against Luger/Sting. It seemed like Savage had injured Sting and it was going to be 2 on 1, but Sting came via helicopter and Savage yelled "You told me Sting would not be here tonight" and decked Hogan and tried to make a run for it. Sting stopped him and Sting/Luger went on to win the match that night.

 

- Nash/Hogan began having problems. I think Nash told Hogan to lay off Macho but they were going to go up against Piper and The Giant in a bat match (a bat on a pole) @ Spring Stampede.

 

April 1998

 

- Hogan and Nash defeated Piper/Giant in a bat match. After the match Hogan hit Nash with the bat.

 

- Savage and Sting fought at Spring Stampede, Nash came out and powerbombed Sting causing Macho to win the belt. After the cameras went off the air as Macho and Nash were walking to the back many of the nwo members including Hogan came out and jumped them and layed them out.

 

- Macho and Hogan fought for the title. Nash came down and Powerbombed Hogan and The Disciple and Bret Hart came out and grabbed the WCW belt and nailed Nash. Hogan won the title that night.

 

May 1998

 

- The Giant joined NWO Black and White. Giant told Sting he would have to turn to the Black and White. The show ended with Sting looking on in the rafters.

 

- Sting and Giant beat Hall/Nash for the Tag Titles after Hall turned on Nash at Slamboree.

 

- The next night giant told Sting to come out and make a decision. He did. He spit in Giants face and as Sting was walking off, Giant jumped Sting. Kevin Nash came out to his aid.

 

- The next few weeks Luger joined Wolfpack (not sure how), as did Konan, Curt Henning, and Rick Rude.

 

- Finally the moment came when Sting had to make a decision,as Hogan and Giant beat up Nahs, Sting came down, and ripped up the Sting shirt to reveal Nwo B7W. When Hogan approved he turned around which allowed STing to give him a low blow. He then slammed The Giant.

 

June 1998

 

- Konan was subbing for Curt Henning since he was injured and on crutches. He was going to fight Goldberg for the U.S. title at the Great American Bash.

 

- Sting and Giant fought to see who would hold the Tag Tittles. STing won. He picked Nash as his partner.

 

- In an interview before his match Curt and Rick said they were confident Konan would defeat Goldberg :roll: He didn't. Aftert he match Rude and Henning jumped Konnan and ripped off the shirt to reveal black and white. And Henning was walking perfectly fine.

 

- Macho got his knee banged up, which required surgery so he and DDP fought in a cage match. The NWO came out, raised and got in the cage. Hogan put a chair on Mach's leg and Bischoff karate kicked the chair several times. Wolfpac finally got the cage up but it was to late.

 

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And that's how it all started. I'm probably leaving alot of stuff out but that's what I remember.

[LessonInMachismo 0]

Are you sure the Wolfpac was around before Hall turned on Nash? I know there were two distinct groups that didn't like each other in the NWO, but I didn't think they were officially a separate stable.

I am one hundred percent sure. Why were Nash and Hall wrestling Giant at Slamboree and why did they come out in red and black nWo shirts?

 

EDIT: Here is something to read other than my word.

 

"On the episode of WCW Monday Nitro on May 5, 1998, the federation announced that nWo had split into two "factions". On one side was the nWo Wolfpac faction, which was headed by Kevin Nash. On the other side was nWo Hollywood, which was headed by Hogan"

 

Source: Wikipedia

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NWo

 

Slamboree was on May 17th.

[Jericholic82 0]

The funny part of the nWo split was that now the announcers seems to like the wolfpac (cuz they were faces I guess) and why Sting and Luger would join any part of the group made absolutely no sense (as did Giant rejoining Hogan )

 

BTW the Ginat rejoined Hogan on a nitro where Nah confronted Hogan in a midring promo , Hogan said "When you come to a fight, you have to bring a big gun" and out walked Giant with an nWo classic shirt. I have that segment taped so thats why I remember all the details. I guess Giant joined cuz he hated Nash for messing up his neck with the botched powerbomb at souled out 98

 

and kudos to those who tried to explain the long and nonsensical nwo storylines.

 

 

the split basically ended with the fingerpoke of doom

 

leading to that, Hall returned to wcw in late summer (he was seen off anf on before that) with a new gimmick, in that he drank on his way to the ring and/or always acted drunk while wrestling (he even puked on bischoff once). Later on he basically tried to suck up to Nash as the black and white basically disowned him. He fought nash at havoc and world war 3 and pretended to make nice with nash, but attacked him. at starrcade 98, Hall (who was supposed to face Bam Bam Bigelow but didnt) interfered in the Nash-Goldberg match by using a tazer gun on berg while "nash wasnt looking" Nash won , but seemed upset when he found out that Hall had helped him. m,eanwhile, scott steiner was actively trying to recruit luger and other wolfpacers to join the black and white (steiner was appointed the new leader of the faction when Hogan "retired" and "ran for president" after havoc 98) Nash demanded that Goldberg get a rematch and the match was set for the Jan 4 , 1999 Nitro (which of course ran against the Taped Raw where Mankind beat the Rock for the world title, which more people saw cuz of Schiavone announcing that Foley was going to win) On the nitro Hogan returned and gave an interview, however Goldberg was arrested for stalking and harrasing Ms Elizabeth , so he couldnt wrestle, therefore Nash challanged hogan. Main event time, Nash comes out....with Hall? the announcers are like how nice they made up. The fingerpoke happens (which has been drastically overrexagerrated as the death of wcw, when they were at least 5o other bigger things that caused it) and its revelaed that Nash and Hogan and Hall have rejoined, Luger comes out and turns on berg , Hogan annonces the new wolfpac, the elite nWo. also feat. Steiner and Bagwell.

 

The black and white basically stays on as lackeys that Hogan doesnt care for. This elite angle was promptly dropped when Hogan was turned face and so was Nash. The nWo laid dormat until Bret Hart reformed it with hall and nash and jarrett and steiner at the end of the year. Bret had to stop wrestling in jan 2000 and the nwo was bascially dropped, but Jarrett continued to have the harris bros as his lackeys and still used the nWo name. this ended when russo returned with bischoff, and the nWo was not to be seen again until Feb of 2002 when Hogan, Hall, and Nash returned to the WWF. Hogan left at wm x-8, Xpac rejoined that week on SD. Booker T was added by Flair and HBK joined. Ended when Nash tore his quad and Vince came out the next week to announce the news that GMS would take over the shows (after he beat flair with help from Brock to reclaim ownership 100%) and tha the nWo was dead.

 

 

and so it is finally dead............hopefully.

[Guest Frank_Nabbit]

I'm watching Bret/DDp from WW3 and the NWO has a scrub ref...who the heck is that? How long did the storyline go on?

[Guest Frank_Nabbit]

Jarrett/Harris' NWO was not New World Order it was nashville World order

[Placebo Effect 0]

I'm watching Bret/DDp from WW3 and the NWO has a scrub ref...who the heck is that? How long did the storyline go on?

That was Marcus Johnson. He was phased out by the end of 1998, as he was last seen (if I remember correctly) following Scott Steiner around blowing a whistle.

[Placebo Effect 0]

Jarrett/Harris' NWO was not New World Order it was nashville World order

That was just a rumor at the time I believe. I think Hudson called them that, though, during one of the six man matches in late 2000 that Jarrett teamed with The Harris Brothers for.

[Guest Frank_Nabbit]

Jarrett/Harris' NWO was not New World Order it was nashville World order

That was just a rumor at the time I believe. I think Hudson called them that, though, during one of the six man matches in late 2000 that Jarrett teamed with The Harris Brothers for.

I swear i heard Jarrett call them that, but who really paid attention to WCW at that point

[Dobbs 3K 0]

Man, all this nWo stuff makes my head hurt...I don't even remember half of this stuff anymore...and it all happened a little over five years ago.

[Guest Frank_Nabbit]

*** Atlanta, Georgia

 

09-24-91

 

Axl Rotten defeated Joey Maggs.

 

Axl in WCW?

 

And on the same show: Bill Kazmaier defeated Abdullah the Butcher by disqualification this has Nathan jones vs Heindenreich levels of suck potential

[Art Sandusky 0]

Fuck is that nWo history complicated. It all somehow makes sense, but it's so complicated.

[Hunter's Torn Quad 0]

*** Atlanta, Georgia

 

09-24-91

 

Axl Rotten defeated Joey Maggs.

 

Axl in WCW?

I believe he was working some shots as a fill-in for Black Blood, who had quit over money.

[LessonInMachismo 0]

I remember when JJ said "This time, there ain't gonna be any ham'n'eggers!" when nWo 2000 was formed. Within a month, the Harris Boys were let in.

[Guest Stunt Granny]

Just for fun, I wanna list every nWo member just to really get a feel for how many there were. I'll even add unoffical member who were only supporters or associates.

 

Hollywood Hogan

Scott Hall

Kevin Nash

Fake Sting

The Giant/Big Show

Syxx/X-Pac

Ted DiBiase

Nasty Boys (were in for like 2 weeks then got the boot)

Muta

Chono

V.K Wallstreet (WCW forced him to withdraw for some contract reason)

Buff Bagwell

Miss Elizibeth

Randy Savage

Dennis Rodman

Eric Bishoff

Konnan

Scott Norton

Curt Hennig

Rick Rude

Dusty Rhodes

Vincent

Bryan Adams

Scott Steiner

Bret Hart

Louie Spicolli (Scott Hall lacky but never Official Member)

Disco Inferno (See Spicolli)

Stevie Ray

Sting

Lex Luger

Jeff Jarrett

Vince Russo (I'll throw him in since nWo 2000 was aknowledged as his doing on air)

Harris Brothers

Vince McMahon (they were brought to the WWF to his dirty work originally so he counts)

Ric Flair (he took the reigns of the nWo for a short period after Hall got fired and before Nash came back)

Booker T

Shawn Michaels

 

40 that I can account for right now, and I know I'm leaving some out. Feel free to contribute.

[Use Your Illusion 0]

Sweet merciful crap

[Guest drdrainoscott]

Don't forget Nick Patrick

[Guest jm29195]

What about the nWo referee that used to come out with Steiner and Bagwell in early 99, used to blow whistles and so on...

[deancoles 0]

Big Bubba Rogers was in it as well.

 

Edit: You left out Horace Hogan and the Disciple.

[LessonInMachismo 0]

Weren't there more nWo Japan members?

 

Also, I think we should add LWo members. They weren't a splinter group, but Eddie took the idea from the nWo and did the same tactics with the other luchadores.

 

Eddie

Rey

Juvi

El Dandy

Damian

 

Anyone remember the rest?

[Guest Frank_Nabbit]

Weren't there more nWo Japan members?

 

Also, I think we should add lWo[/font=Courier] members. They weren't a splinter group, but Eddie took the idea from the nWo and did the same tactics with the other luchadores.

Tenzan for sure

[Guest Frank_Nabbit]

http://www.100megsfree4.com/wiawrestling/p...wcw/nwohist.htm

 

 

Members of the nWo:

 

Year Wrestlers

1996 Hulk Hogan, Kevin Nash, Scott Hall, Ted Debiase, Eric Bischoff, Syxx, Scott Norton, Mr Wallstreet, Big Bubba Rogers, Buff Bagwell , Masahiro Chono, nWo Sting, Vincent, The Giant

1997 Hulk Hogan, Scott Hall, Kevin Nash, Syxx, Eric Bischoff, Rick Rude, Scott Norton, Konnan, Buff Bagwell, Hiroshi Tenzan, Keiji Muto, Masa Hiro Chono, Scott Norton, Randy Savage, Miss Elizabeth, Dennis Rodman, Vincent

1998 (Black and White) Hulk Hogan, Scott Hall, Kevin Nash, Curt Hennig, Rick Rude, Scott Steiner, Brian Adams, Horace Hogan, Scott Norton, Eric Bischoff, Dusty Rhodes, Bret Hart, Louie Spicolli, Konnan, Dennis Rodman, Miss Elizabeth, Buff Bagwell, Tenzan, Muto, Chono, Saito, The Disciple, Stevie Ray.

1998 (Wolfpac) Kevin Nash, Sting, Lex Luger, Curt Hennig, Rick Rude, Konnan, Randy Savage.

1999 (Wolfpac) Huk Hogan, Scott Hall, Kevin Nash, Buff Bagwell, Scott Steiner, The Disco Inferno, Eric Bischoff, Lex Luger.

1999 (Black and White) Scott Norton, Stevie Ray, Brian Adams, Curt Hennig, Horace Hogan, The Giant, Vincent.

nWo Japan Masa Chono, Keiji Muto, Mr Wallstreet, Big Titan, nWo Sting, Hiro Saito, Ohara, Hiroshi Tenzan, Scott Norton, Brian Adams.

nWo (1999-2000) Kevin Nash, Scott Hall, Bret Hart, Jeff Jarrett, Scott Steiner, Ron Harris, Don Harris

nWo (WWF Version: 2002) Kevin Nash, Scott Hall, Hulk Hogan, X-Pac, The Big Show (Giant), Ric Flair, Booker T., Shawn Michaels

[Precious Roy 0]

Weren't there more nWo Japan members?

 

Also, I think we should add LWo members. They weren't a splinter group, but Eddie took the idea from the nWo and did the same tactics with the other luchadores.

 

Eddie

Rey

Juvi

El Dandy

Damian

 

Anyone remember the rest?

Hector Garza

La Parka

Silver King

Psychosis

Ciclope

Villanos IV & V

 

there was also Eddie's bodyguard, does anyone know who that was?