The Marine who shot dead an injured man

[kkktookmybabyaway 0]

But maybe he was delivering pizzas when his camel broke down and was in the wrong place at the wrong time...

[bob_barron 0]

I was sickened and disgusted when I heard the audio of this footage on Five Live last night. Acts of sickening brutality such as this are only going to fan the flames of hatred towards the American occupiers and cause resentment amongst the civilian population and throughout the arab world. The fact that the day before a unit had tended to the injured men shows that it isn't policy to snuff out any Iraqi when one feels like it and that some level headedness prevails but this incidents liek this can simply not be allowed to happen, not only because it is inhumane and quite honestly murder, but because it also goes against America's attempts at bringing peace and stability to the region.

 

Of course you are. You'll find anything so you can go 'OMG WAR BAD'. You're also the same guy who called Arafat a good man and said he was for peace.

 

One bad incident does not the whole US Military make.

 

I know that some here are going to argue that the murdered Iraqi was an 'insurgent' and that he deserved to have been killed but that is a reasoning that I simply cant agree with. Shooting an unarmed, injured, suspected insurgent simply isn't acceptable.

 

I'm not going to lose sleep over it. I'm glad he's dead- it's just a shame people are making a big deal over it.

 

I shudder to think what other sickening war crimes will be revealed as the occupation progresses.

 

You mean like all the bad stuff Saddam did that was revealed or the horrible atrocities are US Military has uncovered that has been going on?

[Vyce 0]

I was sickened and disgusted when I heard the audio of this footage on Five Live last night. Acts of sickening brutality such as this are only going to fan the flames of hatred towards the American occupiers and cause resentment amongst the civilian population and throughout the arab world. The fact that the day before a unit had tended to the injured men shows that it isn't policy to snuff out any Iraqi when one feels like it and that some level headedness prevails but this incidents liek this can simply not be allowed to happen, not only because it is inhumane and quite honestly murder, but because it also goes against America's attempts at bringing peace and stability to the region.

 

Of course you are. You'll find anything so you can go 'OMG WAR BAD'. You're also the same guy who called Arafat a good man and said he was for peace.

 

One bad incident does not the whole US Military make.

 

I know that some here are going to argue that the murdered Iraqi was an 'insurgent' and that he deserved to have been killed but that is a reasoning that I simply cant agree with. Shooting an unarmed, injured, suspected insurgent simply isn't acceptable.

 

I'm not going to lose sleep over it. I'm glad he's dead- it's just a shame people are making a big deal over it.

 

I shudder to think what other sickening war crimes will be revealed as the occupation progresses.

 

You mean like all the bad stuff Saddam did that was revealed or the horrible atrocities are US Military has uncovered that has been going on?

I want to thank Bob for pointing out just part of why I think guys like INXS and C-Bacon are royally full of shit and why I feel their opinions are completely worthless.

 

The whole truth behind this incident will likely come to light (although whether the whole truth is provided to us by the Big Media, should this Marine be absolved, remains to be seen), and if something improper or dishonorable occurred, this soldier will be justly punished. I find it bitterly ironic that this will likely be used, by people who think the way INXS does, to demonize the American military as murderous thugs, when we're really the only ones in this big, bloated mess who have any sort of compassion for our prisoners of war - the insurgents have a habit of just killing and / or beheading all of their prisoners, civilian or otherwise.

[2GOLD 0]

The problem with this situation is what K pointed out. Some of these injured enemy have been loaded with explosives and ready to go out with a bang. He had already lost a member of his unit to such a situation.

 

The main trouble here is according to the rules, he is guilty. But the other issue is we have no way of knowing if the dead man was further armed with an explosive devices cause it doesn't take much energy to push a button and blow yourself up.

 

Stll, the flip side is if the man was unarmed and no explosives present then the soldier must be court martialed. The courts of the military need to handle this one, not the public.

 

Right now, I can't make an opinion. I don't agree with shooting an unarmed man in a time of war but I don't have the full story here on whether said man was completely unarmed. If he was, no excuse and the soldier must be tried.

[Guest SideFXs]

The fucking media has what they really wanted on tape, from the embedded reporters.

 

How can any soldier do his job when he is second guessed, with 20/20 hindsight, by these bleeding hearts?

 

They are happy about this and they want to demoralize the U.S. military.

[Guest MikeSC]

I think the carping about this shows how bloody useless hindsight tends to be.

 

When you deal with being fired upon constantly for days by people, some of whom will booby-trap their bodies --- then you can talk.

-=Mike

...I suppose people would have called the soldier stupid if he left the guy alone and he killed his platoon members...

[kkktookmybabyaway 0]

Yeah, because you know Arab men NEVER strap themselves with explosives...

 

I don't know what you're talking about kkk because I've never seen Arab men as terrorists ever.....ever

I just had this Hindu ask me if it was ok for him to shoot at soldiers from a Temple, or whatever hippie shrine "those people" deem holy...

[Guest Cerebus]

But maybe he was delivering pizzas when his camel broke down and was in the wrong place at the wrong time...

[iliketurtles 0]

\When you deal with being fired upon constantly for days by people, some of whom will booby-trap their bodies --- then you can talk.

Very much true. We can speculate about what happened but we really don't know. We weren't there, we haven't been there, and thank GOD none of have to be over there in that mess.

 

This guy could of had an altered mental status from not only post-tramatic stress...but stress still going on! I saw the video and was it was very disturbing...but we just can't say anything because we were not there for the past 8 days.

 

In a perfect world, no one would ever kill anyone else...but this world isn't perfect and things do happen like this in war. I feel bad if the man that was shot point-blank was innocent, and if so then an investigation is going to take place (and it already is.)

[Swift Terror 0]

Just a reminder of the acts and attitude of many in Fallujah:

 

 

 

 

 

[Highland 0]

The top picture doesn't tell me anything, but is that a dead insurgent or Marine at the bottom picture?

[Vyce 0]

The top picture doesn't tell me anything,

You didn't notice the dead U.S. soldier strung up like an animal while the crowd cheers on jubilantly?

[Swift Terror 0]

The top picture doesn't tell me anything, but is that a dead insurgent or Marine at the bottom picture?

 

Jesus, you either have no memory or you don't get out much.

 

Try reading more.

 

Those are pictures of American civilian contractors who were murdered last year in Fallajuh.

 

You can't see the dead American strung up at the top of the top picture?

[2GOLD 0]

You can't see the dead American strung up at the top of the top picture?

 

I completely missed him myself. I thought it was just a picture of cheering and smiling evil scumbags.

 

So again, why didn't we just firebomb the city?

[Guest CronoT]

You can't see the dead American strung up at the top of the top picture?

 

I completely missed him myself. I thought it was just a picture of cheering and smiling evil scumbags.

 

So again, why didn't we just firebomb the city?

Because, technically, that would be a war crime. Using a firebomb on a civilian population is considered a war crime under the UN Charter.

 

And, yes, I know most people here couldn't give a shit about the UN, but if the US starts to commit major war crimes, then all hell will break loose.

[2GOLD 0]

You can't see the dead American strung up at the top of the top picture?

 

I completely missed him myself. I thought it was just a picture of cheering and smiling evil scumbags.

 

So again, why didn't we just firebomb the city?

Because, technically, that would be a war crime. Using a firebomb on a civilian population is considered a war crime under the UN Charter.

 

And, yes, I know most people here couldn't give a shit about the UN, but if the US starts to commit major war crimes, then all hell will break loose.

 

Oh wait, some civilians are still in the city? Oh, then no. I thought the city was free of civilians.

 

I only condone firebombing the fuckheads, not the innocents.

[Big Ol' Smitty 0]

while another marine in the same unit had been killed by explosives planted in the body of a dead insurgent.

 

That's fucked up.

[Swift Terror 0]

Here's a close up of the top picture.

 

[2GOLD 0]

.....Jesus Christ.

 

Anyone who wishes to defend these fuckers, go to hell.

[Big Ol' Smitty 0]

Yeah, I remember the first time I saw those pictures and the smiling faces I thought we should just obliterate the whole fucking city.

[Guest MikeSC]

\When you deal with being fired upon constantly for days by people, some of whom will booby-trap their bodies --- then you can talk.

Very much true. We can speculate about what happened but we really don't know. We weren't there, we haven't been there, and thank GOD none of have to be over there in that mess.

 

This guy could of had an altered mental status from not only post-tramatic stress...but stress still going on! I saw the video and was it was very disturbing...but we just can't say anything because we were not there for the past 8 days.

 

In a perfect world, no one would ever kill anyone else...but this world isn't perfect and things do happen like this in war. I feel bad if the man that was shot point-blank was innocent, and if so then an investigation is going to take place (and it already is.)

If a person was in that mosque, they were not innocent.

-=Mike

[Highland 0]

No, I didn't notice the body at the top of that picture.

Now I feel like I just did an INXS, someone give me a .44.

[Styles 0]

I will give our soliders the benefit of the doubt. They are in a warzone and should be allowed to defend themselves however they see fit. When the enemy fights a guerilla war, we shouldn't have to put our own soldiers at risk. Either both sides play fair, or the gloves should come off. This wasn't just an innocent bystander shot. He was shooting from a mosque. He deserves what he got.

[Kinetic 0]

...to demonize the American military as murderous thugs, when we're really the only ones in this big, bloated mess who have any sort of compassion for our prisoners of war...

I must have dreamed that Abu Ghraib thing, then.

 

However justifiable the actions of the Marine might have been in light of his situation, the one really stupid thing he did is shoot the guy while being filmed. This is exactly the sort of thing that a lot of the more anti-American Arab television stations will grab onto and show ad nauseum to prove their point.

[Guest CronoT]

...to demonize the American military as murderous thugs, when we're really the only ones in this big, bloated mess who have any sort of compassion for our prisoners of war...

I must have dreamed that Abu Ghraib thing, then.

 

However justifiable the actions of the Marine might have been in light of his situation, the one really stupid thing he did is shoot the guy while being filmed. This is exactly the sort of thing that a lot of the more anti-American Arab television stations will grab onto and show ad nauseum to prove their point.

Exactly. We all know that the owners and/or editors of Al-Jazeera are jizzing themselves over this film clip.

[Guest BDC]

while another marine in the same unit had been killed by explosives planted in the body of a dead insurgent.

 

That's enough to answer the question for me. They've been screwed once in the day by explosives on a downed enemy. Put it on a wounded one that has nothing left to lose? Yeah, that's good.

 

Oh, and there is NO WAY that we as people who are sitting around in our damned armchairs should be convicting this soldier. We are not his peers, which is whom he should be tried by. You wanna sit around and cry about injustice of this and you'll remind me of that puke Kamui and talking about a soldier shooting an ARMED kid in the FOOT. And it'll prove your ignorance.

[cbacon 0]

.....Jesus Christ.

 

Anyone who wishes to defend these fuckers, go to hell.

Question: By that token, do you also condem the shooting of the Iraqi in cold blood, insurgent or not?

[cbacon 0]

I find it bitterly ironic that this will likely be used, by people who think the way INXS does, to demonize the American military as murderous thugs, when we're really the only ones in this big, bloated mess who have any sort of compassion for our prisoners of war - the insurgents have a habit of just killing and / or beheading all of their prisoners, civilian or otherwise.

 

Compassion for prisoners of war? Sure, they're not beheading people, but to say that the US military is 'compassionate' towards prisoners is wrong, and that don't necessarily relate to Abu Gharib alone. It's not a way to demonize the American military as a whole, or defend the insurgents for that matter, but to act as is if the US are playing by the rules of war is very inaccurate.

[Special K 0]

I don't know on which side of the issue I come down on here, but if you justify the killing by saying the guy had had a buddy blown up the previous day, well I'm sure many of the rebels aren't just scum, but had family killed in the past year. Does that justify their actions?

[Guest Cerebus]

.....Jesus Christ.

 

Anyone who wishes to defend these fuckers, go to hell.

Question: By that token, do you also condem the shooting of the Iraqi in cold blood, insurgent or not?

The fucker was shooting at Marines and more than a few insurgents have grenades, IEDs, or pistols hidden away.

 

By the way, do you know anything about basic infantry SOPs, mission specific SOPs related to Fallujah, Marine AIT infantry training, the UCMJ, MOUT tactics, or the Geneva Convention?

 

You don't?! Then maybe you, and most people in this thread, should shut your fucking mouth.