The Marine who shot dead an injured man

[Vanhalen 0]

What the hell is this big media that everyone keeps on going on about

[kkktookmybabyaway 0]

1) It's not everyone, it's usually just me.

 

2) ABC/cBS/NBC news networks, the NY Slimes, Washingon Post, Boston Globe, LA Times, and pals.

 

You know -- BIG Media, following in the tradition of other "Bigs" like Tobacco, Labor, Business...

[Vanhalen 0]

Ah, I get what you mean, but surely you could put Fox News in with that, as I would consider that a bigger channel, it is even shown live in the UK(far too many adverts you guys have) whereas the others dont

[kkktookmybabyaway 0]

That cable news network isn't part of Big Media, it has its own little niche, which I'm sure you are aware of from reading various threads here...

[Vyce 0]

Good.  All insurgents, injured or healthy, should be shot in the head.  Terrorist scum deserve no less.

'Insurgents' aren't terrorists. They are Iraqi people who have taken up arms against their occupiers. There is a world of difference between groups like those that behead hostages and those Iraqi people that are fighting against an illegal and cruel occupation.

I like to think that deep down I'm a nice guy, so I alternate between just thinking you're woefully ignorant of the world around you, and, in my darker moments, just considering you to be a fucking moron.

 

There has been a wealth of information that has been published through various media sources that details the composition of the insurgent forces - do yourself a favor and look it up.

 

You'll see that the majority of insurgents are FOREIGN fighters. And a great number of those who are Iraqi are former Saddam military personnel. They're hardly innocent civilians staging an uprising against the imperialistic American oppressors.

 

BTW, I excised the rest of your post, but I just have to say, you considering yourself to have any sort of opinion that resembles neutrality on this issue is, by its very definition. laughable.

[Guest Cerebus]

I don't think they did was done as a deliberate act of barbarity.

 

I know where my mother's family comes from, Palestine, we hang charred bodies all day long. Hell we got a whole festival around hanging the bodies of burnt Americans around. It's a critical cornerstone of our beloved culture. My grandparents have found memories of violating fried corpses while frolicing around as children.

 

Us Ay-rabs have a long history of disgusting corpse violating, beheading in public, and suicide bombing. As INXS so wisely pointed out, if one of you wise, benevolant, and culturally superior European or Americans did this it would be disgusting. But you got to remember, our culture is so much more primitive and barbaric and so when we do these things, or opress dissidence, or treat our women like slaves, or ban elections, we're simply following our ignorant, barbaric, and disgusting culture! You poor deluded fools just don't understand the wonders of multiculturism!

[Guest MikeSC]

No i'm not saying that it is okay to murder people and hang them, i was demonstrating that while the act is barbaric and shocking to us, I don't think they did was done as a deliberate act of barbarity.

OK, let's see if I got this straight: The terrorists AREN'T barbaric --- but the American military IS?

 

Is THAT your argument? Considering that we're putting our troops in considerable risk to minimize collateral damage, it's a mighty absurd stretch.

The hanging up of dead rebellion members/treasoners is the norm for Iraq, as I stated even before Saddam's time, and no I do not agree with it at all. To us the contractors were innocent civilians to Iraqi's they were the enemy, taking Iraqi jobs and a member of a country that had invaded them.

The insurgents AREN'T Iraqis, for the most part. Agin, Iraqis wouldn't have kidnapped Hassan. People who didn't know anything about Hassan would have.

The bigger picture is that all the Iraqi's are doing, whether anyone wants to call them insurgents or terrorists, is fighting off an invasion. It's a shame that this war happened in the first place but now that it has, well quite frankly, America has brought this resistance on them selves with areas of Iraq without electricity and water, little security, job losses, lack of elected leadership that the iraqi people approve of, Iraq's oil money going in to the pockets of Bush and his oil company buddies, houses, hospitals and schools being bombed to the ground, over  100,000 civilian deaths, arrests without trial or sufficent evidence and torture in prisons.

It's baffling how inaccurate almost all of this little screed is. Why are there problems with water and electricity? Well, TERRORISTS BOMBING PLACES TENDS TO CAUSE PROBLEMS. Little security? Security is being trained. No elected leadership? They never HAD elected leadership. Iraqi oil money going to Bush's cronies? Why don't you spend five seconds PROVING it? We KNOW that some from YOUR country took money from Iraqi oil at the expense of Iraqi children. 100,000 civilian deaths? That Lancet study is a total joke. Torture in prison? A rarity that is, unlike under Saddam, BEING PUNISHED.

I can see exactly why many Iraqi's have taken up arms against their occupiers.

Shame Iraqis aren't really a part of it, right?

What the hell is this big media that everyone keeps on going on about

The three major networks, NY Times, Washington Post --- you know, those major media outlets.

h, I get what you mean, but surely you could put Fox News in with that, as I would consider that a bigger channel, it is even shown live in the UK(far too many adverts you guys have) whereas the others dont

FNC draws a small percentage of the nightly audience on NBC, CBS, ABC, etc.

 

And after learning how culturally normal obscene violence is amongst Arabs, I'm going to be REAL nice to Cerebus. I don't want him to, you know, kill me and all.

-=Mike

[Guest INXS]

I don't think they did was done as a deliberate act of barbarity.

 

I know where my mother's family comes from, Palestine, we hang charred bodies all day long. Hell we got a whole festival around hanging the bodies of burnt Americans around. It's a critical cornerstone of our beloved culture. My grandparents have found memories of violating fried corpses while frolicing around as children.

 

Us Ay-rabs have a long history of disgusting corpse violating, beheading in public, and suicide bombing. As INXS so wisely pointed out, if one of you wise, benevolant, and culturally superior European or Americans did this it would be disgusting. But you got to remember, our culture is so much more primitive and barbaric and so when we do these things, or opress dissidence, or treat our women like slaves, or ban elections, we're simply following our ignorant, barbaric, and disgusting culture! You poor deluded fools just don't understand the wonders of multiculturism!

You're confusing Arabic culture in general and the culture of Iraq. Iraqi women were not treated as second class citizens under Saddam - infact when Saddam rose to power he provided education to the women of Iraq and allowed them to go out to work, two things that were a first for women of Iraq. You're generalizing too much here.

[Guest MikeSC]

I don't think they did was done as a deliberate act of barbarity.

 

I know where my mother's family comes from, Palestine, we hang charred bodies all day long. Hell we got a whole festival around hanging the bodies of burnt Americans around. It's a critical cornerstone of our beloved culture. My grandparents have found memories of violating fried corpses while frolicing around as children.

 

Us Ay-rabs have a long history of disgusting corpse violating, beheading in public, and suicide bombing. As INXS so wisely pointed out, if one of you wise, benevolant, and culturally superior European or Americans did this it would be disgusting. But you got to remember, our culture is so much more primitive and barbaric and so when we do these things, or opress dissidence, or treat our women like slaves, or ban elections, we're simply following our ignorant, barbaric, and disgusting culture! You poor deluded fools just don't understand the wonders of multiculturism!

You're confusing Arabic culture in general and the culture of Iraq. Iraqi women were not treated as second class citizens under Saddam - infact when Saddam rose to power he provided education to the women of Iraq and allowed them to go out to work, two things that were a first for women of Iraq. You're generalizing too much here.

No --- you clearly don't know what you're talking about here.

-=Mike

[cbacon 0]

If i'm not mistaken, Iraqi women had the right to vote under Saddam. So they had a few more rights than other US supported dictatorships *cough* Saudi Arabia *cough* Egypt *cough*

[Guest MikeSC]

If i'm not mistaken, Iraqi women had the right to vote under Saddam.

Nobody had an ACTUAL right to vote (which is how Saddam would pull down those impressive 99% wins).

So they had a few more rights than other US supported dictatorships *cough* Saudi Arabia *cough* Egypt *cough*

Sorry, wasn't aware that I said we should have anything to do with Egypt or Arabia.

 

At least WE didn't take money from Iraqi children --- nor have WE kept Castro and the Iranian theocracy in business.

-=Mike

[cbacon 0]

Nobody had an ACTUAL right to vote (which is how Saddam would pull down those impressive 99% wins).

 

Yeah, of course without the sanctions, the Iraqi's could have rebelled and removed this problem in the first place.

 

Sorry, wasn't aware that I said we should have anything to do with Egypt or Arabia.

 

You need not say it Mike, it's ever so clear. Just an example of hypocrisy

[Guest INXS]

No i'm not saying that it is okay to murder people and hang them, i was demonstrating that while the act is barbaric and shocking to us, I don't think they did was done as a deliberate act of barbarity.

OK, let's see if I got this straight: The terrorists AREN'T barbaric --- but the American military IS?

 

Is THAT your argument? Considering that we're putting our troops in considerable risk to minimize collateral damage, it's a mighty absurd stretch.

The hanging up of dead rebellion members/treasoners is the norm for Iraq, as I stated even before Saddam's time, and no I do not agree with it at all. To us the contractors were innocent civilians to Iraqi's they were the enemy, taking Iraqi jobs and a member of a country that had invaded them.

The insurgents AREN'T Iraqis, for the most part. Agin, Iraqis wouldn't have kidnapped Hassan. People who didn't know anything about Hassan would have.

The bigger picture is that all the Iraqi's are doing, whether anyone wants to call them insurgents or terrorists, is fighting off an invasion. It's a shame that this war happened in the first place but now that it has, well quite frankly, America has brought this resistance on them selves with areas of Iraq without electricity and water, little security, job losses, lack of elected leadership that the iraqi people approve of, Iraq's oil money going in to the pockets of Bush and his oil company buddies, houses, hospitals and schools being bombed to the ground, over  100,000 civilian deaths, arrests without trial or sufficent evidence and torture in prisons.

It's baffling how inaccurate almost all of this little screed is. Why are there problems with water and electricity? Well, TERRORISTS BOMBING PLACES TENDS TO CAUSE PROBLEMS. Little security? Security is being trained. No elected leadership? They never HAD elected leadership. Iraqi oil money going to Bush's cronies? Why don't you spend five seconds PROVING it? We KNOW that some from YOUR country took money from Iraqi oil at the expense of Iraqi children. 100,000 civilian deaths? That Lancet study is a total joke. Torture in prison? A rarity that is, unlike under Saddam, BEING PUNISHED.

I can see exactly why many Iraqi's have taken up arms against their occupiers.

Shame Iraqis aren't really a part of it, right?

What the hell is this big media that everyone keeps on going on about

The three major networks, NY Times, Washington Post --- you know, those major media outlets.

h, I get what you mean, but surely you could put Fox News in with that, as I would consider that a bigger channel, it is even shown live in the UK(far too many adverts you guys have) whereas the others dont

FNC draws a small percentage of the nightly audience on NBC, CBS, ABC, etc.

 

And after learning how culturally normal obscene violence is amongst Arabs, I'm going to be REAL nice to Cerebus. I don't want him to, you know, kill me and all.

-=Mike

I never mentioned terrorists, what are you on about? The terrorist groups that now operate within Iraq, that specialize in hostage taking, are barbaric, of course but they are not to be confused with 'insurgents'. I would say that the insurgents are no more or less barbaric than the US Army.

 

I'm not aware of the US going to any great lengths to avoid "collateral damage". Infact, it seems quite the opposite with little regard being shown for civilian life.

 

Do you think that the insurgency is made up of foreign fighters and terrorists? Certainly foreigners will ahve joined the cause but the core of the insurgency, and the majority of it's build up is that of the Iraqi people.

 

I think the problem with the lack of electricity and clean water in Iraq has more to dso with the bombing of whole towns and cities by US forces rather than bombs from insurgents or terrorists.

 

George Galloway still maintains his innocence and I believe him.

 

It is a FACT that Bush ahs sold theoil contracts to US companies who in turn are making billions of $. You can't argue that. It's a fact.

[Guest Cerebus]

I don't think they did was done as a deliberate act of barbarity.

 

I know where my mother's family comes from, Palestine, we hang charred bodies all day long. Hell we got a whole festival around hanging the bodies of burnt Americans around. It's a critical cornerstone of our beloved culture. My grandparents have found memories of violating fried corpses while frolicing around as children.

 

Us Ay-rabs have a long history of disgusting corpse violating, beheading in public, and suicide bombing. As INXS so wisely pointed out, if one of you wise, benevolant, and culturally superior European or Americans did this it would be disgusting. But you got to remember, our culture is so much more primitive and barbaric and so when we do these things, or opress dissidence, or treat our women like slaves, or ban elections, we're simply following our ignorant, barbaric, and disgusting culture! You poor deluded fools just don't understand the wonders of multiculturism!

You're confusing Arabic culture in general and the culture of Iraq. Iraqi women were not treated as second class citizens under Saddam - infact when Saddam rose to power he provided education to the women of Iraq and allowed them to go out to work, two things that were a first for women of Iraq. You're generalizing too much here.

WOOSH~!

 

Oh and here ya go you ignorant monkey.

 

Amnesty International has documented the brutal executions of Iraqi women accused of prostitution. For example, Najat Mohammad Haydar, an obstetrician in Baghdad, was beheaded in October 2000 after criticizing corruption within local health services. According to another report, in October 2000 "a group of men led by Saddam Hussein's son Uday, beheaded with knives 50 young women in Baghdad. The heads of these women were hung on the doors of their houses for a few days."

 

The Iraq Foundation joins Amnesty International in chronicling human rights violations, such as the methods of torture in prison, which include rape and "bringing in a female relative, especially the wife or the mother, and raping her in front of the detainee.

...

What is the truth of the situation? The horror stories are starting to mount. On Oct. 4, 2002, seven Iraqi women of different regional, ethnic and religious backgrounds sat on a panel entitled "The Unheard Voices of Iraqi Women." They recounted their personal stories of brutalization under Saddam's regime.

 

One of the women eloquently stated, "The Iraqi woman has endured torture, murder, confinement, execution, and banishment, just like other in Iraqi society at the hands of Saddam Hussein's criminal gang." She added, "the Iraqi woman has lost her loved ones -- husbands, brothers and fathers." So much for the notion that Saddam can massively violate human rights while protecting those of women.

 

PC feminism has not ignored such testimony but neither has it embraced the cause of women in Iraq as it did those in Afghanistan.

 

Oh and we have the international law scholar back! You never answered my questions C-Bacon. I feel neglected

[Guest INXS]

If i'm not mistaken, Iraqi women had the right to vote under Saddam.

Nobody had an ACTUAL right to vote (which is how Saddam would pull down those impressive 99% wins).

So they had a few more rights than other US supported dictatorships *cough* Saudi Arabia *cough* Egypt *cough*

Sorry, wasn't aware that I said we should have anything to do with Egypt or Arabia.

 

At least WE didn't take money from Iraqi children --- nor have WE kept Castro and the Iranian theocracy in business.

-=Mike

No, you didn't take money from Iraqi children - just blew their arms and legs off for them. And starved them with sanctions.

[Guest INXS]

I don't think they did was done as a deliberate act of barbarity.

 

I know where my mother's family comes from, Palestine, we hang charred bodies all day long. Hell we got a whole festival around hanging the bodies of burnt Americans around. It's a critical cornerstone of our beloved culture. My grandparents have found memories of violating fried corpses while frolicing around as children.

 

Us Ay-rabs have a long history of disgusting corpse violating, beheading in public, and suicide bombing. As INXS so wisely pointed out, if one of you wise, benevolant, and culturally superior European or Americans did this it would be disgusting. But you got to remember, our culture is so much more primitive and barbaric and so when we do these things, or opress dissidence, or treat our women like slaves, or ban elections, we're simply following our ignorant, barbaric, and disgusting culture! You poor deluded fools just don't understand the wonders of multiculturism!

You're confusing Arabic culture in general and the culture of Iraq. Iraqi women were not treated as second class citizens under Saddam - infact when Saddam rose to power he provided education to the women of Iraq and allowed them to go out to work, two things that were a first for women of Iraq. You're generalizing too much here.

WOOSH~!

 

Oh and here ya go you ignorant monkey.

Sure, he wasn't perfect to women and he was a brutal dictator, that's not in question. Although you have failed to grasp it, the point is, is that Saddam was not as oppressive towards women as other arab countries such as Saudi Arabia are, which is what you were claiming in an earlier post.Up until his capture, Saddam remained mor popualr amongst women than the men of Iraq, simply because he did empower them and proivided them with equal rights as well as education and jobs.

[cbacon 0]

You never answered my questions C-Bacon. I feel neglected 

 

I'll get right too that once i'm at school.

 

I'd also like to say that besides somewhat downplaying the oppression of women in Iraq, INXS has been on the ball so far in this thread.

 

*awaits the obvious flames after making such a comment*

[Guest Salacious Crumb]

If i'm not mistaken, Iraqi women had the right to vote under Saddam. So they had a few more rights than other US supported dictatorships *cough* Saudi Arabia *cough* Egypt *cough*

BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!

[Guest Cerebus]

You know, I had this long post ready about the history of Iraq, the brutality of Saddam, Arab culture, and the current situation.

 

But you know what? Fuck it.

 

It's pretty clear now that neither of you assclowns has anything resembling knowledge about Iraq, the miliatry, or international politics. Nor does it seem that you even have an inkling to learn, you just want to ignore...well everything that stops you from masturbating to every soldier dying or every supposed "atrocity" that America commits. Seriously, what's the point of discussing anything with you pricks? Just go pretend to read Chomsky and do some left handed typing when visiting Commondreams while you have F 9/11 on the boob tube. Frankly, I just don't give a shit.

[Guest BDC]

I just wanted to pop in and say that the sheer ignorance displayed in this thread is making me sick.

 

I swear, it's been proven to me by the idiots in this thread that "supporting the troops" is just bullshit rhetoric they'll say to cover their asses.

 

Go away. Go far, far away. Do not come back until you can actually debate instead of putting your hands over your ears and scream "LALALALALALA"

 

EDIT:

Y'know, I just had to add this in.

 

INXS, if you're going to keep talking about how evil American troops are, then get that fucking bodycount the hell out of your sig. You can't tell us how bad they are and then throw that at us. Your hypocrisy is the very height of disgusting.

[Guest Salacious Crumb]

Like I said on the first page of this thread. He'll get all upset over the American soldiers doing anything but will defend these savages over everything.

[Justice 0]

If i'm not mistaken, Iraqi women had the right to vote under Saddam. So they had a few more rights than other US supported dictatorships *cough* Saudi Arabia *cough* Egypt *cough*

Point: Yeah, they had the power to vote.

 

For Saddam. Only.

 

Kinda diminishes the rights thing, doesn't?

[2GOLD 0]

This is why I pretend neither of them exist anymore. It's not worth the wasted effort.

[Guest SideFXs]

We’re debating the democratic system and woman's rights, under Sadam Hussein? Right? Ummm, O.K.

 

This demonstrates just how far left wing wacko’s are will to go to justify their view of America.

[Big Ol' Smitty 0]

We’re debating the democratic system and woman's rights, under Sadam Hussein? Right? Ummm, O.K.

 

This demonstrates just how far left wing wacko’s are will to go to justify their view of America.

You calling someone an extremist is like a turd calling trash stinky.

[Swift Terror 0]

I swear, it's been proven to me by the idiots in this thread that "supporting the troops" is just bullshit rhetoric they'll say to cover their asses.

 

Brilliantly stated.

 

The ridiculous line "I'm against the war... but I support the troops", which became popular during the Gulf War in 1991, is the height of idiocy. I believe some people were trying to be sincere while expressing this early on, but now it is just a line to, as BDC said, cover their asses.

[Big Ol' Smitty 0]

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[theintensifier 0]

The Marine who shot dead an injured man, What do you think?

 

Wow, great topic name.

 

#1 Dubya Disciple wrote this:

 

I was sickened and disgusted when I heard the audio of this footage on Five Live last night. Acts of sickening brutality such as this are only going to fan the flames of hatred towards the American occupiers and cause resentment amongst the civilian population and throughout the arab world. The fact that the day before a unit had tended to the injured men shows that it isn't policy to snuff out any Iraqi when one feels like it and that some level headedness prevails but this incidents liek this can simply not be allowed to happen, not only because it is inhumane and quite honestly murder, but because it also goes against America's attempts at bringing peace and stability to the region.

 

I know that some here are going to argue that the murdered Iraqi was an 'insurgent' and that he deserved to have been killed but that is a reasoning that I simply cant agree with. Shooting an unarmed, injured, suspected insurgent simply isn't acceptable.

 

I shudder to think what other sickening war crimes will be revealed as the occupation progresses.

 

I think that the marine in question should be tried for murder.

 

It's easy for you to think like this, why don't you enlist into the Military (Marines) and go to Iraq and see what's really going on, not just what you see / read. Do you think the Iraqi's would show mercy to a American soldier who was firing at them but was later wounded and unarmed? Fuck no, they'd behead him. Typical nature for savages.

 

The Rules of Engagement on this are very simple. Once a combatant is injured beyond the point of further resistance, or throws down his or her weapon, they become a non-combatant. Once someone is a non-combatant, shooting them is attempted murder, and killing them is at least 2nd Degree Murder.

 

It's that simple.

 

I'm sure glad everyone plays by these rules. So it'd be ok to start beating them? You know, like they do to our troops? And later torture and behead them?

 

If the guy he shot was going for a hidden weapon, such as a hold-out pistol, or a knife or machete, then it can be considered self-defense. If not, it's murder.

 

It's a war! What is it called when you kill someone when they are shooting at you? MURDER~! It's murder either way. The funny thing is this: American people are so worried about how OUR AMERICAN TROOPS are treating the ENEMY, do you think the Iraqi public gives two shits about us? No.

 

I've seen the footage, and the dude seems really out of it, hes been shot and left to die, and hes sort of slumped down against a wall with a fair bit of blood around

 

He's doing what you'd do to a horse with a broken leg, ending it's misreable excuse of exsistence. Good ridance.

 

Then it's murder.

 

Heh, getting old reading the same comment post after post.

 

Agreed. That's why he should, and will, be tried in a military court, not in the "court of public opinion."

 

Guess we should try EVERYONE in the war, on both sides to make it fair. He did his job, he killed the enemy.

 

Good. All insurgents, injured or healthy, should be shot in the head. Terrorist scum deserve no less.

 

Finally, an American who thinks like a American should think. Dr. Tom, you are a cool guy. I totally agree with you here.

 

I want to thank Bob for pointing out just part of why I think guys like INXS and C-Bacon are royally full of shit and why I feel their opinions are completely worthless.

 

The whole truth behind this incident will likely come to light (although whether the whole truth is provided to us by the Big Media, should this Marine be absolved, remains to be seen), and if something improper or dishonorable occurred, this soldier will be justly punished. I find it bitterly ironic that this will likely be used, by people who think the way INXS does, to demonize the American military as murderous thugs, when we're really the only ones in this big, bloated mess who have any sort of compassion for our prisoners of war - the insurgents have a habit of just killing and / or beheading all of their prisoners, civilian or otherwise.

 

Vyce, thanks for pointing that out. People who can just sit there and say "Marine shot dead Iraqi is bad, court marshall!" when they know that those Iraqi's beheaded our soldiers and say nothing should not be American citizens.

 

The problem with this situation is what K pointed out. Some of these injured enemy have been loaded with explosives and ready to go out with a bang. He had already lost a member of his unit to such a situation.

 

The main trouble here is according to the rules, he is guilty. But the other issue is we have no way of knowing if the dead man was further armed with an explosive devices cause it doesn't take much energy to push a button and blow yourself up.

 

Stll, the flip side is if the man was unarmed and no explosives present then the soldier must be court martialed. The courts of the military need to handle this one, not the public.

 

If this was me, I'd plea insanity across the board. Stating that all I want to do is kill those Iraqi sons-of-bitches for what they've done. But here's a question, do you think the Iraqi military (LOL) court martials there soldiers?

 

Right now, I can't make an opinion. I don't agree with shooting an unarmed man in a time of war but I don't have the full story here on whether said man was completely unarmed. If he was, no excuse and the soldier must be tried.

 

Heh, they wouldn't have a problem shooting you.

 

When you deal with being fired upon constantly for days by people, some of whom will booby-trap their bodies --- then you can talk.

 

Jesus Christ, there are more smart people on this board, one who makes a logical point, and has common sense!

 

Jesus, you either have no memory or you don't get out much.

 

Try reading more.

 

Those are pictures of American civilian contractors who were murdered last year in Fallajuh.

 

You can't see the dead American strung up at the top of the top picture?

 

YEAH, let's protect and court martial our troops over people like that. BRILLANT~!

 

Because, technically, that would be a war crime. Using a firebomb on a civilian population is considered a war crime under the UN Charter.

 

And, yes, I know most people here couldn't give a shit about the UN, but if the US starts to commit major war crimes, then all hell will break loose.

 

I don't see how you can label people as civilians. You never know what those idiots have on under their diapers on thier heads, or whatever the hell they wear. If not firebombs, go old school, and throw giant Moltovs~! out of helicopters. Same effect, but cooler. AND, screw the UN. They aren't doing shit to Iraq for their crimes on "injured / unarmed / surrendered soldiers".

 

Anyone who wishes to defend these fuckers, go to hell.

 

Yeah, I remember the first time I saw those pictures and the smiling faces I thought we should just obliterate the whole fucking city.

 

Yeah not only obliterate them (Iraqi's) but everyone who supports them? All of these "Americans" who support Iraq, send them over to Iraq and force them into the cities, and see how long they last loving the enemy.

 

I will give our soliders the benefit of the doubt. They are in a warzone and should be allowed to defend themselves however they see fit. When the enemy fights a guerilla war, we shouldn't have to put our own soldiers at risk. Either both sides play fair, or the gloves should come off. This wasn't just an innocent bystander shot. He was shooting from a mosque. He deserves what he got.

 

!!!!!!!!!!YES!!!!!!!!!! Seriously, that sums up how every AMERICAN should feel right there.

 

However justifiable the actions of the Marine might have been in light of his situation, the one really stupid thing he did is shoot the guy while being filmed. This is exactly the sort of thing that a lot of the more anti-American Arab television stations will grab onto and show ad nauseum to prove their point.

 

Exactly why are there fliming crews around conflicts? What point are they trying to show "Uhh it's ok for us to be little savages and chop their heads off, but as soon as they fight back a little dirty, we are gonna get all upset over it..."

 

Question: By that token, do you also condem the shooting of the Iraqi in cold blood, insurgent or not?

 

Yes.

 

So no, I won't 'shut up' when pointing out a blatant injustice.

 

Have you ever pointed out an injustice that they've committed towards us?

 

We can't expect very young men who are in a combat theater being shot at, IED'd, and booby-trapped to put down their weapons and start singing Kumbayah. At this point, all they are trying to do is stay alive and achieve their mission objectives. They aren't thinking politically or socially. They are stressed to the max, exhausted, hyper-alert and in pure survival mode. My heart aches for them and I can't say that I wouldn't have done the same thing given the circumstances.

 

Exactly man, and I would have done the same.

 

So tell me, Professor, how, based on the scant evidence, would you consider opening an Article 32 for this individual whose name you do not even know? Maybe you'd like to enlighten the class on how, since he's such a glaring example of the cruelty of the American military, how flaws in MOUT tactics and Infantry SOPs led to this horrible murder? Do you think there were problems in the OPORD or maybe it was a FRAGO by the unnamed Marine's NCO that led to this brutal slaying. Either way, what do you think is the best way to pursue this case? If I were a betting man, I would say Article 118, but what do I know? YOU read the Geneva Conventions on the internet!

 

In fact, don't answer any of those questions. I can not simply allow you to sit here on a wrestling message board when international law scholars lack your invaluable and vast storehouse of knowledge! Go forth C-Bacon! Defend truth and justice from the American military!

 

AMAZING~!

 

If I was over there I'd be damned if I followed any so called rules of war, especially when the enemy doesn't. I would do what ever it took to insure my ass got out of there alive, and take the court marshal when I got home.

 

I'm pretty sure everyone "should" think and act like that. It's either him or you.

 

Because they're fucking savages who don't care who they kill.

 

I knew I liked you Mad Dog. Finally, someone else speaks the truth.

 

'Insurgents' aren't terrorists. They are Iraqi people who have taken up arms against their occupiers. There is a world of difference between groups like those that behead hostages and those Iraqi people that are fighting against an illegal and cruel occupation.

 

In this thread, it's obvious that most people think that the 'insurgents' are terrorists and are the same people that go around beheading hostages and planning bomb attacks around the world.

 

The posting of those strung up civilian contract workers was a desperate attempt to justify what the marine did and as such was taken out of context. To know something about Iraq and it's history you would know that public hangings are the norm and were the norm even before Saddam rose to power. Although it was a brutal act it was not especially brutal in the eyes of Iraqi's.

 

Because I am English I am strongly supporting my country in this, and to a small degree America as well, but if America invaded England guess what? I'd drag the bodies of their civilian contractors through the streets and become an 'insurgent' as well. Can anyone else see the bigger picture? Perhaps it's because i'm not American that I can be a little more neutral on this.

 

How aren't insurgents terrorists? It's not like they just have a group set aside of insurgents and then have a group of terrorists. There all the same.

 

OK OK, so you are saying you'd become an insurgent and kill civilians? But as soon as American troops kill a "civilian" idiots like you come running out of the wood work to defend them? That doesn't make any sense to me at all.

 

I'm really struggling to understand the logic behind this one. It's their culture to murder people and hang them from a bridge, so that's ok. It's their culture to kill innocent civilians...and that's ok? We're evil, though?

 

Of course it is. We're supposed to just take everyones shit all the time and do nothing about it.

 

In closing, I don't see how anyone can actually sit there and say that the American troops are the bad guys!

[bob_barron 0]

I consider that post a birthday present for me.

 

Thank you

[Dr. Tom 0]

Good.  All insurgents, injured or healthy, should be shot in the head.  Terrorist scum deserve no less.

'Insurgents' aren't terrorists.

Meh, I wish I would've seen this before 100 other people replied for me. Oh well. Anyway, yes they certainly are. Most of the people we're fighting aren't even Iraqis; a lot are from Syria, Iran, and Arabia.

 

They are Iraqi people who have taken up arms against their occupiers.

I'm sure it gives you a chubby to think that, but it's really quite untrue.

 

In this thread, it's obvious that most people think that the 'insurgents' are terrorists and are the same people that go around beheading hostages and planning bomb attacks around the world.

That would be because THEY ARE.

 

The posting of those strung up civilian contract workers was a desperate attempt to justify what the marine did and as such was taken out of context.

Bullshit. Utter, unmitigated, 100% bullshit. These beheadings and brutal murders aren't an "attempt to justify" anything, nor are they in response to anything. They're being committed because the people we're fighting are subhuman remorseless savages who don't care two pins who they kill. And here you are, trying to plead their case and make them seem like normal folks who just happen to string up charred bodies and lop the heads off of innocent men and women. You are a morally dangerous shithead. The quickness with which you run the moral equivalency mile is appalling. I'm ashamed to share a genus and species with you.

 

Because I am English I am strongly supporting my country in this

BWAHAHAHAHA!

 

and to a small degree America as well

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

 

If by "supporting to small degree," you mean "demonizing and burying every chance I get," I agree.

 

I'd drag the bodies of their civilian contractors through the streets and become an 'insurgent' as well.

This really solidifies you as a morally dangerous shithead. In fact, I think you just moved beyond that and became a morally irredeemable piece of subhuman shit. You would kill CIVILIANS and drag their bodies thru the streets? *Civilians*, who are there to do work that helps your country and have nothing to do with the military conflict? Fuck you. I hope you die, miserable and alone, in a pool of your own blood, excrement, and vomit, after weeks of unspeakable agony, you absolutely worthless waste of sperm and egg.

 

Perhaps it's because i'm not American that I can be a little more neutral on this.

You couldn't see neutral if it were as big as the earth and you were standing on the moon looking down.