Israel up to usual tactics...

[Guest INXS]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/4022411.stm

 

Egypt has condemned Israel for its "irresponsible" killing of three police officers on the border with Gaza.

An Israeli tank opened fire on the Egyptian police after mistaking them for Palestinian militants trying to cross into the Gaza Strip.

 

Egyptian Foreign Minister Ahmed Aboul Gheit said Cairo "strongly protested and condemned" the shooting and demanded an urgent inquiry.

 

Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon has apologised to President Hosni Mubarak.

 

 

Earlier, Israeli Deputy Defence Minister Zeev Boim said he regretted what he called a "grave incident".

 

'Regrettable'

 

In a statement released by his office, Mr Sharon promised a quick investigation, and pledged to share the results with Egypt.

 

It is unlikely, however, that many Egyptians will be disposed to believe the Israeli version, says the BBC's Heba Saleh in Cairo.

 

She adds that there is so much distrust and anger here against the Jewish state that every Israeli action is thought to conceal a conspiracy.

 

The Egyptian Foreign Ministry issued a strongly-worded statement despite Israel's apology.

 

It said: "Egypt condemns and strongly protests this regrettable incident.

 

"We demand that the Israeli authorities conduct an immediate, thorough and comprehensive investigation into the circumstances that led to this incident, and present an explanation.

 

"The Foreign Minister has asked Egypt's embassy in Tel Aviv to inform the Israeli foreign minister of the Egyptian protest to this irresponsible behaviour."

 

The BBC's Alan Johnston in Gaza says there has been continual friction on the Gaza-Egyptian border between Israeli troops and Palestinian militants trying to smuggle in weapons.

 

The Israelis have often been accused of firing indiscriminately in the area, our correspondent adds.

 

Army apology

 

The three border police were killed after the tank unit fired on "suspect silhouettes", Israeli army radio said, which it believed to be planting explosives on the border.

 

The shooting occurred in an area marked as "the Philadelphi road" on Israeli military maps - a narrow strip of land on the southern edge of the Gaza Strip.

 

Israel has long argued it will need to hold on to the area, even if the planned disengagement from Gaza goes ahead.

 

However, last month an aide to Mr Sharon told the BBC Israel would pull out of the Philadelphi strip as well if a security understanding could be reached with Egypt.

 

Egypt and Israel have been at peace since 1979.

 

Israel messed around with another country earlier this year - that time it was Libya if I remember correctly.

 

It's about time that UN peace keeping troops (NATO) were brought in to this area to not only help secure the region but to keep a keen eye on Israel's tactics.

[Vyce 0]

The pendulum is swinging again towards me just thinking you're a moron.

 

While I do gain great amusement from watching others totally tool on you for your completely ignorant beliefs, you seriously just should stop talking about all things Middle East, since you couldn't buy a clue if someone handed you a million bucks.

[Guest INXS]

I fail to see how my beliefs are ignorant - I also fail to see how your post is relevant to the subject in hand.

[The Thread Killer 0]

His post is relevant. Every time you post anything, you prove that you are either a really annoying gimmick poster, or a total fucking idiot. Actually...both.

[Special K 0]

Not very long ago you posted a very similar thing with the EXACT SAME TOPIC, people both tore into you and responded with clear logic to which you just sputtered and came up with no rebuttal. You have no knowledge of the Middle East, and coming up with a post that has the same damn topic as the other one you got pwned on leads me to believe that you are, in fact, a troll. Hence I really wish you'd go live under a bridge.

 

So answer me 2 questions:

 

1. Why won't the U.N. help Israel, when they sanctioned the Israeli state? If they lended a small hand, there could be less accidents, and fuckers like the late, not so great Arafat (your best buddy) might be a little bit cowed.

 

2. Why is Israel the bad guy when they haven't broken peace treaties in the area, and why do they get resoundingly crapped on whenever they want to build a border to keep civilian-killers out?

 

3. How is an accidental shooting a tactic?

 

If you can answer these questions logically, I'll retract my comments. However, I don't think you can really defend your views. Sorry.

[Guest Salacious Crumb]

2. Why is Israel the bad guy when they haven't broken peace treaties in the area, and why do they get resoundingly crapped on whenever they want to build a border to keep civilian-killers out?

 

Because they're Jews.

[bob_barron 0]

I fail to see how my beliefs are ignorant - I also fail to see how your post is relevant to the subject in hand.

Because you're an ignorant anti-Semetic piece of shit that never listens to ANY of the posts people make that show you no nothing about Israel in the slightest. Fuckass.

 

What usual tactics is Israel up to? Protecting itself from terrorism and harm? Protecting their right to a free nation?

 

You defend a terrorist like Yasser Arafat but you won't defend a country seeking freedom.

 

This is why the UN shouldn't get involved- feel free to ignore this which you will"

 

MYTH

 

"The United Nations has long played a constructive role in Middle East affairs. Its record of fairness and balance makes it an ideal forum for settling the Arab-Israeli dispute."

 

FACT

 

Starting in the mid-1970s, an Arab-Soviet-Third World bloc joined to form what amounted to a pro-Palestinian lobby at the United Nations. This was particularly true in the General Assembly where these countries—nearly all dictatorships or autocracies—frequently voted together to pass resolutions attacking Israel and supporting the PLO.

 

In 1974, for example, the General Assembly invited Yasser Arafat to address it. Arafat did so, a holster attached to his hip. In his speech, Arafat spoke of carrying a gun and an olive branch (he left his gun outside before entering the hall). A year later, at the instigation of the Arab states and the Soviet Bloc, the Assembly approved Resolution 3379, which slandered Zionism by branding it a form of racism.

 

U.S. Ambassador Daniel Moynihan called the resolution an “obscene act.” Israeli Ambassador Chaim Herzog told his fellow delegates the resolution was “based on hatred, falsehood and arrogance.” Hitler, he declared, would have felt at home listening to the UN debate on the measure.1

 

On December 16, 1991, the General Assembly voted 111-25 (with 13 abstentions and 17 delegations absent or not voting) to repeal Resolution 3379. No Arab country voted for repeal. The PLO denounced the vote and the U.S. role.

 

As Herzog noted, the organization developed an Alice-In-Wonderland perspective on Israel. “In the UN building...[Alice] would only have to wear a Star of David in order to hear the imperious ‘Off with her head’ at every turn.” Herzog noted that the PLO had cited a 1974 UN resolution condemning Israel as justification for setting off a bomb in Jerusalem.2

 

Bloc voting also made possible the establishment of the pro-PLO “Committee on the Inalienable Rights of the Palestinian People” in 1975. The panel became, in effect, part of the PLO propaganda apparatus, issuing stamps, organizing meetings, preparing films and draft resolutions in support of Palestinian “rights.”

 

In 1976, the committee recommended “full implementation of the inalienable rights of the Palestinian people, including their return to the Israeli part of Palestine.” It also recommended that November 29 — the day the UN voted to partition Palestine in 1947 — be declared an “International Day of Solidarity with the Palestinian People.” Since then, it has been observed at the UN with anti-Israel speeches, films and exhibits. Over the objections of the United States, a special unit on Palestine was established as part of the UN Secretariat.

 

Israel is the object of more investigative committees, special representatives and rapporteurs than any other state in the UN system. The special representative of the Director-General of UNESCO visited Israel 51 times during 27 years of activity. A "Special Mission" has been sent by the Director-General of the ILO to Israel and the territories every year for the past 17 years.

 

The Commission on Human Rights routinely adopts disproportionate resolutions concerning Israel. Of all condemnations of this agency, 26 percent refer to Israel alone, while rogue states such as Syria and Libya are never criticized.3

 

The U.S. has reacted forcefully to efforts to politicize the UN. In 1977, the U.S. withdrew from the International Labor Organization for two years because of its anti-Israel stance. In 1984, the U.S. left UNESCO, in part because of its bias against Israel, but announced in September 2002 it would return to the organization. From 1982-89, the Arab states sought to deny Israel a seat in the General Assembly or put special conditions on Israel's participation. Only a determined U.S. lobbying campaign prevented them from succeeding. In 2001, the U.S. joined Israel in boycotting the UN World Conference Against Racism when it became clear that it had become little more than an Israel-bashing festival.

 

While the Arab-Israeli peace process that was launched in Madrid in 1991 is structured on the basis of direct negotiations between the parties, the UN constantly undercuts this principle. The Oslo Agreements are predicated on the idea of bilateral talks to resolve differences between Israelis and Palestinians. The General Assembly routinely adopts resolutions, however, that attempt to impose solutions on critical issues such as Jerusalem, the Golan Heights and settlements. Ironically, UN Security Council Resolutions 242 and 338 proposed the bilateral negotiations that are consistently undermined by the General Assembly resolutions.

 

Thus, the record to date indicates the UN has not played a useful role in resolving the Arab-Israeli conflict.

[2GOLD 0]

Whoa...did Bob just become Slapnuts?

[Styles 0]

Bob, I'm sending you a cease and desist. If you do not comply wihtout prior consent for violating my copywrites, I will send you to TSM Kangaroo Court (which would be a kick ass idea, I think).

 

Anyway, I've wanted to say it for a while, so I will:

 

INXS, you ignorant slut!

 

I don't see a problem here. It was a regretable mistake. Israel is a little jumpy being that, oh, all the surrounding nations are always plotting attacks on their boarders. PM Sharon apologised swiftly to President Mubarak, admitted it was a mistake and there will likely be an investigation.

 

I would make a comparison about how they operate much like the US does when unfortunate errors occur, but then again we're the real terrorists according to you, so I won't bother.

[Ted the Poster 0]

Wow. Even with Hilary Duff, SNL, and his horrid sports teams clouding his mind, Bob knows his shit apparently.

[Styles 0]

Wow. Even with Hilary Duff, SNL, and his horrid sports teams clouding his mind, Bob knows his shit apparently.

He didn't even give proper credit. He didn't write that. It's from this site: http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/myths/mftoc.html, I found it a while back when doing a search to argue a point about Israel, and bookmarked it because it had such a vast resource, and made a habit of posting different "myths" depending on the argument. Bob is just trying to get in on the action too..

[bob_barron 0]

Yea- sorry for not giving the credit.

 

And sorry for stealing your gimmick Slapnuts. :-)

 

I just assumed everyone knew where that was from since Slapnuts posts from there all the time.

[Styles 0]

Yea- sorry for not giving the credit.

 

And sorry for stealing your gimmick Slapnuts. :-)

 

I just assumed everyone knew where that was from since Slapnuts posts from there all the time.

It's ok, Bob. I think we all learned a valuable lesson today. Now, seriously how about that Kangaroo Court idea? Before we decide to ban anyone here we could put them on "trial". Dr. Tom of course gets first dibs on judge. I would expect a high position for coming up with the concept....AMikeSC of course would be lead prosecutor, kkktookmybabyaway could be uh...court jester or something...

[Guest BDC]

Dibs on badass bailiff that hits people with the nightstick.

[Guest BDC]

EDIT: So badass, I hit ya twice!

[Guest Salacious Crumb]

Can I be the surprise witness at every trial?

[2GOLD 0]

Can I be the really lousy public defense attorney that isn't 100% sure of his clients name or crime?

[KingPK 0]

Can I be the really lousy public defense attorney that isn't 100% sure of his clients name or crime?

"Your honor, my client pleads guilty. OH, I mean NOT guilty! That's the good one, right?"

 

I'll be the court artist. I can draw a mean stick figure.

[Guest Salacious Crumb]

2Gold: I've been before every judge in this state, sometimes as a lawyer too!

[2GOLD 0]

Me: Murder?!?!?! Oh come on! What could possibly lead you to charging my client with murder?!?!

 

Cops: He shot a man three times in the back of the head in front of us

 

Me:.....really? Well....umm...think we could plead guilty to assault and call it a day?

[kkktookmybabyaway 0]

Whoa...did Bob just become Slapnuts?

I was thinking the same thing. Without that hippie "MYTH JEWZ R GR8" gimmick, Slapnuts would fade into oblivion.

 

kkktookmybabyaway could be uh...court jester or something...

 

Fuck that shit -- I served jury duty once. Never again will I willingly step foot in a courtroom for any reason...

[Styles 0]

Whoa...did Bob just become Slapnuts?

I was thinking the same thing. Without that hippie "MYTH JEWZ R GR8" gimmick, Slapnuts would fade into oblivion.

 

Is that all I am to you? What about my funny picture stories?

[Guest INXS]

Not very long ago you posted a very similar thing with the EXACT SAME TOPIC, people both tore into you and responded with clear logic to which you just sputtered and came up with no rebuttal. You have no knowledge of the Middle East, and coming up with a post that has the same damn topic as the other one you got pwned on leads me to believe that you are, in fact, a troll. Hence I really wish you'd go live under a bridge.

 

So answer me 2 questions:

 

1. Why won't the U.N. help Israel, when they sanctioned the Israeli state? If they lended a small hand, there could be less accidents, and fuckers like the late, not so great Arafat (your best buddy) might be a little bit cowed.

 

2. Why is Israel the bad guy when they haven't broken peace treaties in the area, and why do they get resoundingly crapped on whenever they want to build a border to keep civilian-killers out?

 

3. How is an accidental shooting a tactic?

 

If you can answer these questions logically, I'll retract my comments. However, I don't think you can really defend your views. Sorry.

The UN had little choice but to recognize an Israeli state. Even Yasser Arafat recognized Israel. Why should the UN help out the security of Israel when their tactics are illegal and immoral?!

 

Israel are the bad guys simply because since 1967, Jewish settlers occupied Palestinian territory, later forming Israel. Since then, Israel have continued to widen their borders and oppress the Palestinian people, even going so far as to build a huge wall further into Palestinian territory, thus grabbing even more land, not to mention the razing of refugee camps; camps that Palestinians were forced to set up and live in as their towns and villiages were occupied by Israel.

 

I don't condone the suicide bombings and violence towards Israel in the slightest but as Israel continues it's unchecked aggression in the region it is becoming easier to see why some Palestinians feels frustrated enough to use violence.

 

Let's get this clear, the Palestinian people are not attacking Israel politically because of the hell of it - nor are the suicide bombers, who are nothing more than terrorists and for which there is no place in the world for them - it's because they are being oppressed by a people that after initially forming a state on their land which is bad enough, continues to take the piss and grab even more land.

 

To answer your third question, I don't believe that this lastest shooting was 'accidental'. I believe that the arrogance of the Israeli's is so high that they couldn't care less whether they accidently shot the wrong guys. Actions like that, including the foray into lebanon, are because Israel are the agressors in the region.

 

Perhaps I am ignorant to something that the American public are privy to but why am I alone here in denouncing Israel's tactics and seeing the plight of the Palestinian people?

[bob_barron 0]

I'm giving Slapnuts a couple hours to post some myths/facts or else I'm stealing the gimmick again

[Dr. Tom 0]

Why should the UN help out the security of Israel when their tactics are illegal and immoral?!

Because you'd think a billion people trying to destroy one tiny state is the kind of thing they might get involved in. Were they possessed of a spine, that is.

 

Israel are the bad guys simply because since 1967, Jewish settlers occupied Palestinian territory, later forming Israel.

Huh?

 

Unless my history is way off, the current state of Israel was formed in 1948.

 

Since then, Israel have continued to widen their borders...

Spoils of war. They would be attacked, defend themselves, and win the land. Why should they give it back? This is how nations have expanded since the beginning. Israel didn't seek to go out and expand their borders, but they had a few million Moslems trying to kill them, defeated them, and took some land for their troubles. Fair play to them, I say.

 

and oppress the Palestinian people

Who are terrorists led by fellow terrorists and puppets of the region's Islamofascist regimes.

 

camps that Palestinians were forced to set up and live in as their towns and villiages were occupied by Israel.

Waaaah. My heart bleeds. Let's see... Palestine attacked Israel and got their clocks cleaned. Since then, they have taken every measure available to kill as many Israeli civilians as possible. The fact that we can still speak of Palestinians in the present tense is a testament to the patience of Israel. Honestly, I would've wiped them out a long time ago.

 

but as Israel continues it's unchecked aggression in the region

I love it how you paint the country that routinely suffers terrorist attacks as the aggressor. Tool.

 

I believe that the arrogance of the Israeli's is so high that they couldn't care less whether they accidently shot the wrong guys.

And I believe you're a cretin of the first division.

 

How would you handle things if you were in charge of a small country surrounded by more than a billion folks who want to destroy you and put all your people to the sword? How would you handle things if you were in charge of a small country that repeatedly suffered terrorist attacks against its civilians and -- even more appallingly -- its rescue workers? Israel is fighting back, and considering the weapons they have at their disposal, they've shown commendable restraint. Pull your head out of the sand and see the light.

 

Perhaps I am ignorant

There's no conditional modifier necessary there.

 

why am I alone here in denouncing Israel's tactics and seeing the plight of the Palestinian people?

Because you're a tard who supports terrorism over democracy.

[Guest INXS]

The Myths/Facts don't wash with me i'm afraid, respond with your own thoughts not the mantra of a pro-Israeli publication. I'm sure I could dig up plenty of Myths/Facts representing the Palestinian side, with them not necessarily representing the truth.

[Guest BDC]

The Myths/Facts don't wash with me i'm afraid, respond with your own thoughts not the mantra of a pro-Israeli publication. I'm sure I could dig up plenty of Myths/Facts representing the Palestinian side, with them not necessarily representing the truth.

Which you have indeed done.

 

What? You upset that they're going to a credible source to discredit your arguments?

[bob_barron 0]

The Myths/Facts don't wash with me i'm afraid

 

Because they totally destroy your argument and expose you for the ignorant anti-Semite that you are?

 

respond with your own thoughts not the mantra of a pro-Israeli publication.

 

I could do that and I'd probably be right but I think posting actual facts from a credible source that backs up everything they say is better.

 

I'm sure I could dig up plenty of Myths/Facts representing the Palestinian side, with them not necessarily representing the truth.

 

Please do. I'm sure everyone here would be happy to dismiss their argument.

 

And Dr. Tom also just owned you regarding Israel but you'll probably stick your fingers in your ear and run away.

 

Question:

 

When Israel was invaded on Yom Kippur (the holiest day of the Jewish calendar)- were they the bad guys then you anti-Semitic fuck?

[Guest INXS]

The Myths/Facts don't wash with me i'm afraid, respond with your own thoughts not the mantra of a pro-Israeli publication. I'm sure I could dig up plenty of Myths/Facts representing the Palestinian side, with them not necessarily representing the truth.

Which you have indeed done.

 

What? You upset that they're going to a credible source to discredit your arguments?

I haven't posted Myths and Facts, what are you on about? I've represented my own views of the situation going off my own analysis of the situation.

 

Also, "credible source" is an oxymoron as the pro -Israeli Myths and Facts are biased.

[bob_barron 0]

I haven't posted Myths and Facts, what are you on about?

 

Well calling Israel the bad guy is a pretty big myth.

 

I've represented my own views of the situation going off my own analysis of the situation.

 

You do so with horrible ignorance and little knowledge for anything going on in Israel.

 

Also, "credible source" is an oxymoron as the pro -Israeli Myths and Facts are biased.

 

It might be biased but it backs up everything it says and does a great job of destroying your arguments and exposing for you the anti-Semite that you are.