MrRant 0 Report post Posted November 21, 2004 And you know they are going to sue everyone. The Pacers, the Pistons, the security company, the police, the arena, the NBA, the crying little kid. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
alfdogg 0 Report post Posted November 21, 2004 There's no way O'Neal and Jackson should get equal suspensions. O'Neal never even left the court. He should get the shortest suspension of the three suspended Pacers. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
alfdogg 0 Report post Posted November 21, 2004 I'm trying to find info on the Vernon Maxwell incident from 95...I know he punched a Portland fan, but I can't remember if he was provoked other than shit-talking. He was suspended for 10 games, if he in fact wasn't provoked other than that, none of the suspensions other than maybe Jackson's should go beyond that. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Cerebus Report post Posted November 21, 2004 He fucking RUINED that guy on the court who wasn't doing anything but helping his friend. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest El Satanico Report post Posted November 21, 2004 This is where the small print on tickets comes into play. I see any monetary lawsuits being thrown out because of the small print on tickets. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
alfdogg 0 Report post Posted November 21, 2004 His friend probably had a Twinkie hanging out of his back pocket, and it just drew him to the court. I mean really, look at the guy. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
alfdogg 0 Report post Posted November 21, 2004 And even if he was "just helping his friend", he still had no business being on the court. So that one's on security. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest El Satanico Report post Posted November 21, 2004 He willingly went out onto the court, so he's not an innocent bystander. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
the pinjockey 0 Report post Posted November 21, 2004 Small print like what is on the back of a ticket is not worth the paper it's printed on. And, if you run onto a court during a fight you better expect to get hit. That guy should and will get nothing and O'Neal should get off leniant. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
phoenixrising 0 Report post Posted November 21, 2004 A few thoughts... It doesn't surprise me that some cameraman, in the middle of everything going on, managed to find a crying kid. And once that film was shot every news station in the country was begging for it. I'm curious to see how the Indiana fans will act when the rematch comes along. Do they try the same tactic on Ben or Rasheed Wallace and try to get them suspended? Or do they act in a civilized manner? I dont think the Pistons will react though, you know Larry Brown will be talking to his players about restraint any chance he gets before tipoff. Suspension lengths... Ben Wallace: 3 games. Wallace completely lost his nerve and probably would have been fined even if the melee hadn't take place. The seriousness of the matter and my thinking that the NBA is going to come down as hard as possible on all involved means that he's probably going to get a multiple game suspension. But he wasn't involved in the fracas so I think he'll be gone for 3 games. Jermaine O'Neal: 5-10 games. He'll get at least five for assaulting the fan, even if it was on the court. Stephen Jackson: 20 games. NBA already set precedent by suspending Vernon Maxwell for 15 when he went after the fan, so Jackson will get at least 15 and probably more. Ron Artest: Definitely more than Jackson. 25-30 games, at least. If he doesn't get suspended the whole season I'll be shocked. Artest probably deserves some praise for being able to keep his cool until the plastic cup hit him. But his past is going to come back to bite him in the ass. The NBA has been publicly humiliated by this, and I bet they're looking for a scapegoat. Artest is the perfect scapegoat. I can see him being suspended the entire season. I'm also thinking he's going to have to enter an anger management program. Why he hasn't been ordered to before is beyond me, but it certainly will happen now. Sadly, it would give him the month off he needs to promote his band's CD. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Vitamin X Report post Posted November 21, 2004 Sadly, it would give him the month off he needs to promote his band's CD. But the real question is: Does he have any street cred now? I mean really, attacking someone who threw a PLASTIC CUP at you whose almost half your size (and wasn't even the right guy) isn't really credible... At least, to me it isn't.. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
alfdogg 0 Report post Posted November 21, 2004 1: It was ten games that Maxwell got. I already referenced this a few posts up. 2: I'd like to hear your explanation on why Artest should get a longer suspension than Jackson, when Jackson instigated everything he received and Artest was provoked. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest El Satanico Report post Posted November 21, 2004 Is there really a shot of a kid crying? blah...if so that means I won't be watching ESPN or the news for at least a week. Like a kid crying means anything...they will cry over small shit. The kid was probably crying cause he wasn't allowed to have a foam hand. I wonder if any kids will ask someone from ESPN if it's ok for a kid to watch NBA games. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MrRant 0 Report post Posted November 21, 2004 It was one of the Pistons' kid. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
the pinjockey 0 Report post Posted November 21, 2004 I thought I heard on the one sportscenter that the crying kid was one of the player's kids. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
alfdogg 0 Report post Posted November 21, 2004 I think it was the son of the fat guy who was taking cheap shots at Fred Jones. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Czech Republic 0 Report post Posted November 21, 2004 It was one of the Pistons' kid. Was it legitimate? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
alfdogg 0 Report post Posted November 21, 2004 Wow...not cool Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CBright7831 0 Report post Posted November 21, 2004 Sadly, it would give him the month off he needs to promote his band's CD. But the real question is: Does he have any street cred now? I mean really, attacking someone who threw a PLASTIC CUP at you whose almost half your size (and wasn't even the right guy) isn't really credible... At least, to me it isn't.. It will to people who are ignorant. I post on a hip-hop message board, and people are calling ron Artest gully on there for what he did. There's even an alias in Ron's honor. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Cerebus Report post Posted November 21, 2004 What the fuck is this? If a single object hits the players they're allowed to go on a rampage but the court is hallowed ground? "Gee buddy I would have loved to help you but I feared that God would strike me down if I dared to lay my foot on the Holy Court of the NBA" Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AboveAverage484 0 Report post Posted November 21, 2004 Back to personal stories of bench clearing brawls for a moment; when I was in high school there was a home game and one of our players swung a haymaker at an opposing player. It didn't connect but his momentum carried him onto the player and they both tumbled to the floor. Meanwhile, the crowd is going crazy, and these thugs from the crowd start coming out onto the court and talking shit with people from the other side and some of these guys are probably packing heat, no shit. It was fun and scary at the same time. The game continued, with all the action apparently coming outside the school with the cops and some thugs. It could have been worse than it was. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
alfdogg 0 Report post Posted November 21, 2004 What the fuck is this? If a single object hits the players they're allowed to go on a rampage but the court is hallowed ground? "Gee buddy I would have loved to help you but I feared that God would strike me down if I dared to lay my foot on the Holy Court of the NBA" Don't be an idiot. I never said any of the players were right to go into the crowd. Everyone should have stayed where they were at, players on the court and fans in their seats. Thanks a lot for putting words in my mouth, though. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CBright7831 0 Report post Posted November 21, 2004 If you missed it, here's your chance to see it. http://www.z0neclan.com/Vids/NBAFIGHT1.wmv - the fight as it happened http://www.z0neclan.com/Vids/NBAFIGHT2.wmv - the fight highlights Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Cerebus Report post Posted November 21, 2004 What the fuck is this? If a single object hits the players they're allowed to go on a rampage but the court is hallowed ground? "Gee buddy I would have loved to help you but I feared that God would strike me down if I dared to lay my foot on the Holy Court of the NBA" Don't be an idiot. I never said any of the players were right to go into the crowd. Everyone should have stayed where they were at, players on the court and fans in their seats. Thanks a lot for putting words in my mouth, though. Who the hell said I was talking to you specifically? (there's a reason I didn't quote anyone) I was making a general comment since some people are saying O'Neal should get a lighter punishment or saying that it was ok to punch the shit out of a guy because he's out on the court while defending Artest saying he "snapped" or whatever when he got hit by the cup of beer. No need to get your panties in a knot. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest fanofcoils Report post Posted November 21, 2004 Artest should say he went into the stands only to promote his upcoming album. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
alfdogg 0 Report post Posted November 21, 2004 What the fuck is this? If a single object hits the players they're allowed to go on a rampage but the court is hallowed ground? "Gee buddy I would have loved to help you but I feared that God would strike me down if I dared to lay my foot on the Holy Court of the NBA" Don't be an idiot. I never said any of the players were right to go into the crowd. Everyone should have stayed where they were at, players on the court and fans in their seats. Thanks a lot for putting words in my mouth, though. Who the hell said I was talking to you specifically? (there's a reason I didn't quote anyone) I was making a general comment since some people are saying O'Neal should get a lighter punishment or saying that it was ok to punch the shit out of a guy because he's out on the court while defending Artest saying he "snapped" or whatever when he got hit by the cup of beer. No need to get your panties in a knot. Fair enough then, I guess I did overreact a little. You could have done without the sarcastic quote, though. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fökai 0 Report post Posted November 21, 2004 I think it was the son of the fat guy who was taking cheap shots at Fred Jones. Yeah. If you had access to the full footage, the kid was being comforted by the fat guy when they changed over. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dangerous A 0 Report post Posted November 21, 2004 I think it will be bullshit if Artest is suspended longer than Jackson. Jackson was hopped up on some bad Gatorade or something that night because he wanted to fight Pistons first, when the oppurtunity arose to fight fans, he was first in line. Artest is definitely not in the total clear. I have to take the ESPN line of Artest's actions are not justified, but understandable considering he was just seconds removed from a potential fight, removed himself from that conflict only to engage in another. The crawl on ESPN News says that Ben Wallace is going to apologize personally to Artest. I am going to wait until the punishments are handed out before talking about how many games will be missed, etc. Also, to stick up for the TSM NBA guys, we don't come into MLB and NFL threads talking about how our sport is superior (hoops) is to other sports. When there is a fuckup in MLB, NFL, or whatever I don't catch TSM NBA guys talking shit. Keep that shit outside please. All sports have their good and bad representatives. There is no moral superiority in sports, especially amongst it's athletes. If you want to comment on the specific of this incident, feel free. Just don't come in here talking about how the NBA is filled with bad guys and how anyone from (insert sport here) is better. For every Ron Artest, there's an Albert Belle. For every Stephen Jackson, there's a Rae Carruth. Leave the sports elitism out of here. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Agent_Bond34 0 Report post Posted November 21, 2004 Actually, I think I instigated the sports elitism thing by provoking that Posada guy a few pages back. If that's my fault, I apologize. Topic-related... I heard Jermaine O'Neal clocked someone in the tunnel (or near, I forget which it was) and the cameras didn't catch it. Is this true? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
alfdogg 0 Report post Posted November 21, 2004 Nice gesture by Wallace. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
