The Canadian Health Care System

[The Czech Republic 0]

I'm looking stuff up through Google, but if anyone can give any personal accounts of why the system is better or worse than the Americans, that would supplement my search quite nicely. Thanks.

 

EDIT: This probably doesn't belong here but maybe political argument will happen so that it can?

[Guest Phenom]

On TV Nation, doctors competed to see how the health care systems of Cuba, Canada, and the Untied States stacked up. America came in last.

[Big Ol' Smitty 0]

Going to nationmaster.com, clicking on Canada and then health should give you access to a bunch of statistics about health care in Canada.

[Highland 0]

An extremely brief synopsis.

 

 

Pros: It's free (but paid for with high taxes)

 

Cons: Long waiting lists.

[Guest Cerebus]

On TV Nation, doctors competed to see how the health care systems of Cuba, Canada, and the Untied States stacked up. America came in last.

You mean Michael Moore ranked America below Cuba and/or Canada? I'm shocked.

[Guest MikeSC]

On TV Nation, doctors competed to see how the health care systems of Cuba, Canada, and the Untied States stacked up. America came in last.

I'm shocked --- SHOCKED, I tell you --- that Michael Moore would do something like that.

-=Mike

[Red Baron 0]

Stastically, the Canadian health care is better than the American health care. I mean its free.

 

Though we pay for the lack of doctors and long waiting lines.

 

 

Though I support a two-tier system though like some of those Scandinavian countries.

[Red Hot Thumbtack In The Eye 0]

I'm looking stuff up through Google, but if anyone can give any personal accounts of why the system is better or worse than the Americans, that would supplement my search quite nicely. Thanks.

 

I've been able to get instant life saving treatment at many different candian hospitals. For free. And my taxes were(I say were because I'm not required to pay taxes right now) never blown up to the sky.

 

I've also never had to wait long to get treatments and surgeries either. For free.

 

I've only had one instance of dealing with a 'bad' doctor, of course that time nearly killed me, but whatever.

 

My personal experience says that our health system rules the balls.

[Your Paragon of Virtue 0]

From what I've heard, Canadian med schools have higher standards then ones in the states. I've been told by many that those who don't get into a Canadian one, say, Queens, go to the States, where while expensive, is easier to get into.

 

Canadian doctors are better educated, though a good deal move to the states where the money is so technically they are now American.

 

Of course, all the people in this folder would not believe that, but hey, that's the way it is.

[starvenger 0]

Canadian doctors are better educated, though a good deal move to the states where the money is so technically they are now American.

 

Of course, all the people in this folder would not believe that, but hey, that's the way it is.

As a Canadian working in the US, I'm shocked and stunned by this info.

[kkktookmybabyaway 0]

What's wrong, Czech, you thinking of moving in with Bob?

 

And next thing you're going to tell me is that TV Nation also compared gun death rates in America, Canada, England and Australia, with America coming in FIRST in firearm homicides...

[Hogan Made Wrestling 0]

A common myth in both the United States and Canada: The only two possible health care systems in the world are the Canadian system and the American one. People from country A say A's system is better.

 

Fact: The USA and Canada are both ranked in the 30s in the WHO's world health index (last time I checked), maybe about 5 spots apart. Discounting joke countries that have to be ranked but mean nothing (Monaco, San Marino, etc.) and occupy the top echelons, the Scandanavian systems (which are basically: everyone gets health care, and you can pay more money for better service) routinely rank ahead of the USA and Canada (and the rest of Europe, which is spread out over the course of the list). Of the Canadian and US systems, I'd argue that the US ranking is more impressive because they service 10 times as many people (and no, population is not taken into account by these rankings, hence Monaco being near the top of the list).

[Guest Phenom]

What's wrong, Czech, you thinking of moving in with Bob?

 

And next thing you're going to tell me is that TV Nation also compared gun death rates in America, Canada, England and Australia, with America coming in FIRST in firearm homicides...

That'd be plum CRAZY!

[Guest MikeSC]

What's wrong, Czech, you thinking of moving in with Bob?

 

And next thing you're going to tell me is that TV Nation also compared gun death rates in America, Canada, England and Australia, with America coming in FIRST in firearm homicides...

That'd be plum CRAZY!

It's even weirder --- since Canada's crime rate is MUCH HIGHER than ours.

 

In 2003, per 100,000 population, Canada had 8,530 crimes to the US 4,267.

Violent crimes: Canada had 958 to the US' 523.

Property crime: Canada had 4,275 to the US' 3,744.

 

Source: Shockingly enough, http://rogerebert.suntimes.com/apps/pbcs.d.../411140310/1023

-=Mike

[Lord of The Curry 0]

The sheer irony of Mike posting Eberts facts which he stole from Fahrenheit 9/11 is over-fucking-whelming.

[{''({o..o})''} 0]

Okay, I have to admit that is funny.

[Guest MikeSC]

The sheer irony of Mike posting Eberts facts which he stole from Fahrenheit 9/11 is over-fucking-whelming.

It was "stolen" from Michael Moore Hates America

 

And it's also 100% accurate.

-=Mike

[Big Ol' Smitty 0]

Yeah. Higher property crime rates in Canada, higher violent crime rates in the US.

[Guest MikeSC]

Yeah. Higher property crime rates in Canada, higher violent crime rates in the US.

No --- higher violent crime rate in Canada.

-=Mike

[Highland 0]

Drug related crimes are down, but violent crime is up.

 

Coincidence?

[CanadianChris 0]

I'm looking stuff up through Google, but if anyone can give any personal accounts of why the system is better or worse than the Americans, that would supplement my search quite nicely. Thanks.

 

I've been able to get instant life saving treatment at many different candian hospitals. For free. And my taxes were(I say were because I'm not required to pay taxes right now) never blown up to the sky.

 

I've also never had to wait long to get treatments and surgeries either. For free.

 

I've only had one instance of dealing with a 'bad' doctor, of course that time nearly killed me, but whatever.

 

My personal experience says that our health system rules the balls.

This is true. You will never wait for treatment for a life-threatening condition. The Canadian system is based on urgency -- the more urgent your case, the faster you'll be seen. The number of Canadians who perceive problems with wait times is actually quite low.

[Big Ol' Smitty 0]

Yeah.  Higher property crime rates in Canada, higher violent crime rates in the US.

No --- higher violent crime rate in Canada.

-=Mike

Compared to the United States Canada has far lower rates of violent crime such as murder, assault, and rape.

wikipedia

 

Over the past 20 years, Canada recorded much lower rates of violent crime than the United States did. However, rates for property offences have generally been higher in Canada, according to a comparison of police-reported crime between the two nations.

statcan

 

the violent crime rate in Canada is 10 times lower than in the United States.

slate

 

Rates for all homicides are 3.8 times higher in the United States than in Canada. For 1987-96, the average homicide rate was 8.8 per 100,000 people in the U.S., compared to 2.3 per 100,000 in Canada.

http://experts.about.com/q/351/661961.htm

 

Murder rate (per 100,000 people)

 

United States  8.40

Canada          5.45

Denmark        5.17

France          4.60

Portugal        4.50

Australia      4.48

Germany        4.20

Belgium        2.80

Spain          2.28

Switzerland    2.25

Italy          2.18

Norway          1.99

United Kingdom  1.97

Austria        1.80

Greece          1.76

Sweden          1.73

Japan          1.20

Ireland        0.96

Finland        0.70

 

Murder rate for males age 15-24 (per 100,000 people)

 

United States  24.4

Canada          2.6

Sweden          2.3

Norway          2.3

Finland        2.3

Denmark        2.2

United Kingdom  2.0

Netherlands    1.2

Germany        0.9

Japan          0.5

 

Rape (per 100,000 people)

 

United States  37.20

Sweden        15.70

Denmark        11.23

Germany        8.60

Norway          7.87

United Kingdom  7.26

Finland        7.20

France          6.77

Switzerland    6.15

Luxembourg      5.00

Spain          4.43

Austria        4.40

Belgium        4.00

Greece          2.40

Ireland        1.72

Japan          1.40

Portugal        1.20

 

Armed robbery (per 100,000 people)

 

Spain          265

United States  221

Canada          94

France          90

Belgium        66

United Kingdom  63

Italy          50

Sweden          49

Germany        47

Ireland        46

Denmark        44

Finland        38

Switzerland    23

Norway          22

Greece          7

Japan            1

Where We Stand, Michael Wolff, Peter Rutten & Albert F. Bayers III and the World Rank Research Team (New York: Bantam Books, 1992), pp. 289-297.

 

Police-reported crime figures show that Canada has low rates of violent crime and high rates of property crime.

Since 1921, Canada's homicide rate, just slightly above 2 per 100,000 population (it peaked at 3.1 in 1973), has consistently been less than 1/3 that of the United States

Encyclopedia of Criminology

 

Canada has about 550 murders per year, a number that is steadily decreasing. This is equivalent to numbers in most of the western world, except the U.S. which has triple the number per capita.

[Guest MikeSC]

Funny, I have actual stats and you have anecdotes and quite outdated evidence (notice I used 2003 figures and you used 1987-1996

 

Cute.

-=Mike

[Big Ol' Smitty 0]

Roger Ebert and Michael Moore Hates America? I'm trying to find one source to verify Ebert...I'll keep looking.

[Big Ol' Smitty 0]

The violent crime rate in Canada has fallen 11 percent since 1993.

canadaonline

 

Article published in 2003.

[Big Ol' Smitty 0]

The rate of violent criminal incidents per capita had been decreasing throughout most of the 1990s, though in 2001, it remained 6% higher than in 1989. In 2002, the rate decreased in most major categories of violent crime, including attempted murder, assault, robbery and abduction.

http://142.206.72.67/04/04b/04b_002a_e.htm

 

Canada's national crime rate increased 6% in 2003, its first substantial gain in over a decade. The increase was driven by a surge in counterfeiting across the country, as well as an increase in most property crimes and minor offences such as mischief and disturbing the peace.

 

The violent crime rate remained virtually unchanged

statcan

[Big Ol' Smitty 0]

No luck, guess we're just gonna have to take Ebert's word for it.

[Guest MikeSC]

No luck, guess we're just gonna have to take Ebert's word for it.

Considering that Ebert loathes the President and has no reason to back up the word from Michael Moore Hates America --- yeah, I guess you will.

-=Mike

[Big Ol' Smitty 0]

Note: I don't really care whose violent crime rate is higher.

 

But...

 

Preponderance of evidence

vs.

Roger Ebert, Michael Moore Hates America

 

We report, you decide.

[BX 0]

I'm awarding this round to bigolsmitty.