{''({o..o})''} 0 Report post Posted November 29, 2004 Pierced genitals? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Czech Republic 0 Report post Posted November 29, 2004 Same here. It's amazing what a white boy from Kansas and a Mexican from LA/Miami can have in common Cuban, geez! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sass 0 Report post Posted November 29, 2004 Slayer: Robert Irsay wanted a new stadium. Baltimore and him couldn't reach a deal. In defiance, he took the team to Indianapolis and didn't look back. It also didn't help Irsay when John Elway told the Colts to piss off when they selected him in the draft the year before they moved. Dr.Tom probably knows more about this. VX: I lived in Inglewood and Long Beach during my early years but I attended Rams and Raiders games regularly with my old man and his crew of gents since I could remember. Jim Murray, perhaps the best sports writer ever, had a great article in the LA Times about the slow burn the Rams move had with fans and how the year after they had left, people were clamoring and crying for the Rams to return. It was pretty heart breaking. There is also a heavy East Coast bias in the news since the LA Times is owned by the fucking Chicago Tribune. I can't tell you the number of times I've seen the '86 Bears mentioned in columns for no other relevent reason then to pimp the hometown love. It's sickening. When NWA's first album dropped with Ice Cube and crew sporting the Raiders shit, everyone seemingly became a Raiders fan. After that, the Raiders became associated with gangsta stuff, for better or for worse. Too bad none of those "fans" attended the games. Many of the fans I saw at Raiders games were drunk Mexicans who loved starting fights at the end of the 1st half. Those were some wild games. Fun too but definitely not for the wholesome. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Slayer 0 Report post Posted November 29, 2004 Same here. It's amazing what a white boy from Kansas and a Mexican from LA/Miami can have in common Cuban, geez! Close enough Pierced genitals? Quiet you Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
B. Brian Brunzell 0 Report post Posted November 29, 2004 Illinois - it's like a racism bridge Yeah, it bridges Illinois with Wisconsin. Illinois, at least the Chicago area, is pretty racist. My high school in Joliet was the most racially divided place I've ever been. White kids hated black kids, blacks hated whites and latinos. And the latinos hated EVERYBODY. The further south you go in the 'burbs, the worse it got, especially Elwood and Wilmington. Those two towns should cease to exist. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
A Happy Medium 0 Report post Posted November 29, 2004 And I second that Texas is an annoying state. Everything down there is "We're Texas and we're great, blah blah blah" You guys are just jealous because you don't live here. Dude....I've been in both Chicago and Texas...Dallas to be exact. They're not jealous, they're right. Heh. Also, Grossman was on his way to having a damned good year too. He had poise...Bears quarterbacks never have that trait. The only bright side is that when he tore up his knee, he still scored a fucking touchdown. If it werent for the injuries the Bears had this year, the Christmas game coming up at Soldier Field against the FudgePackers would've decided the division. I know one thing...this is not Lovie Smith's fault. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dr. Tom 0 Report post Posted November 29, 2004 Having never read much about Colts history, and being only 4 years old when the incident occured, was the Colts move totally unexpected at the time? Like, no one knew Irsay's plans to move until they actually did? Irsay was unhappy with Memorial Stadium and wanted a new facility. The team had been losing for several years now, and had lost some more luster every year ever since Irsay and Carroll Rosenbloom essentially traded franchises, with Rosenbloom ending up with the Rams. Anyway, Irsay was making noise about wanting a new stadium deal or finding another city who would give him one. Indianapolis started courting him pretty heavily, and he started making more noise, this time about moving there. The new stadium deal was hung up in the state legislature, so Maryland tried to invoke eminent domain to force the Colts to stay. Under cover of night, Irsay had Mayflower moving vans go to the team's facilities in Owings Mills, MD and move the franchise to Indianapolis. I can still vividly remember the video footage of it: it was a snowy, windy night, and a local reporter was covered up against the elements while reporting on what he hoped was not actually happening. Baltimore, which supported its team even in their sorrier seasons, had its team stripped in the middle of the night with no warning it was going to happen. The Colts had a long and proud tradition in Baltimore. Johnny U. Artie Donovan. Gino Marchetti. Not only were they Hall of Famers, but they stayed in the area that had embraced them and opened businesses. That tradition was destroyed when the vans packed everything up for Indianapolis, even though the NFL considers the two franchises the same team. The famous Baltimore Colts wanted NOTHING to do with the team after it moved, and Johnny Unitas in particular said he didn't set any records in Indianapolis. Mayflower Moving couldn't get a gig in Baltimore for years after the fact. Robery Irsay, justifiably, became the object of much hate and scorn. Even today, you can still see a few "Nuke Irsay" bumper stickers on older cars in Baltimore. Memorial Stadium, called "the world's largest outdoor insane asylum" during the 1960s and 1970s, was empty after baseball season. I went to a lot of Colts games, even though I was only 10 years old when they left town. My grandfather had season tickets and I went to every home game. They usually lost, but we still went every week, braving the elements and the cold metal benches. My mother and an aunt had season tickets also, and my grandfather's best friend was the Colts' beat writer for the Baltimore Sun, so going to games was definitely a family affair. To this day, I despise the Colts and can never bring myself to root for them. I was ecstatic when Robert Irsay died, and I wish the rest of his accursed bloodline would follow him to agonizing and painful demises. I'm as a big a Ravens fan as you'll see, but like most Baltimore football fans of my generation and older, I remember the first team that played here, and I remember the heartbreak when they were stolen away. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Salacious Crumb Report post Posted November 30, 2004 Cleveland's still waiting for Modell to die a horrible death. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Slayer 0 Report post Posted November 30, 2004 And yet, when Unitas died, the NFL would only allow the city (Baltimore), and not the team (Colts), to memorialize him that weekend I still can't make heads or tails of that one... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dr. Tom 0 Report post Posted November 30, 2004 Cleveland's still waiting for Modell to die a horrible death. Cleveland can go get bent. They got mollycoddled by the NFL and were handed a team within three years. Baltimore got shat upon by the NFL every step of the way after Rozelle was gone, even being told to use their stadium money to "build a museum." If people in Cleveland are bitter, fuck them. I was in Cleveland a few weeks ago and wore my Ravens jacket everywhere I went. No one said anything. I guess getting a team back after three short years heals a lot of wounds. I wouldn't know. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Salacious Crumb Report post Posted November 30, 2004 It's settled down a lot since Modell isn't involved with the team any more. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
phoenixrising 0 Report post Posted November 30, 2004 Baltimore really seems to have taken to their new team. LA won't be the same way. The Raiders might have a shot. Any other team would have to win and win from the minute they get to LA to even have a hope of drawing the Laker fans away from the games. And an expansion team? Don't even get me started. I just can't see LA fans taking to an expansion team the way Cleveland did with their new Browns. Hell, they can't even decide on a stadium site. I just find it funny that every time a team gets mentioned they mention the Coliseum. NO ONE WANTS TO GO THERE!!!! It's in South Central and people still remember the riots that were LA Raiders games in the early '90s. The one passable option I heard was Leiweke wanting to buy a bunch of land near Staples and putting a stadium there, which would have been fun just to see the endless traffic delays. Basically, everyone but the fans want a team in LA. I think the NFL waited too long...had they followed the game plan they did with Cleveland MAYBE a team would have worked. As the years go on the chances of success diminish. And the team with the best chance of moving is the Chargers, I think San Diego has not approved a new stadium yet, and this year the practice facilities were moved up to Carson (another suggested stadium site. What's so special about Carson? Other than the oil rigs in nearby Wilmington, you tell me) so that could be a preemptive strike. We can't get football, yet we can support two soccer teams? I hate to admit it, but LA is one screwed up town to be a fan in. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Vitamin X Report post Posted November 30, 2004 Don't forget two basketball teams as well. And the soccer games draw in LA, quite possibly moreso than anywhere else. They ought to try and demolish some abandoned factories in the San Fernando Valley (you KNOW there's tons of em) and make a stadium site there. Screw everybody south of downtown. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Salacious Crumb Report post Posted November 30, 2004 What bothers me about L.A. is all these arrogant fools that go around screaming about how the NFL needs L.A. to be successful. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sass 0 Report post Posted November 30, 2004 An expansion team or the Raiders would be the only viable options for LA. The expansion team probably moreso since everything would be started from scratch. Any other team would probably get shat on instantly. The Chargers Carson facility was just recently dropped by the team I believe. Either way, it appeared that it was only used as a scare tactic by the Spanos Goofs in getting a new stadium deal worked out with SD, which they did this summer. They're sticking around in SD it would look like. The Colliseum is ran by a committee of idiots. They were part of the reason for why LA could not get a stadium next to Dodgers stadium like former Dodgers owner Peter O'Maley wanted. It would have killed their business. The Rose Bowl is probably the only viable option since no one wants a stadium built next to the Staples center and Hollywood and Carson would get dragged down in bureaucratic red tape like they did before. I don't see a new stadium getting built anywhere since the town is filled with bitches who all have personal agendas with money to lose. San Bernadino would be a nice area for a stadium. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
phoenixrising 0 Report post Posted November 30, 2004 I remember Irwindale being mentioned in the 80's when they were talking about a new stadium for the Raiders. Kinda like San Bernardino but about 40 minutes closer. I have heard pretty reasonable proposals about the Rose Bowl, mostly giving it a facelift, taking out some seats and putting in luxury boxes. I think it would work, Pasadena is a pretty nice area so people wouldn't be scared out of their minds to go to the game. Only negative would be the golf course getting its grass messed up - at UCLA games the golf course is the overflow parking lot. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Vitamin X Report post Posted November 30, 2004 San Bernandino is ridiculously far, from what I remember. At that point they'd cease to be an LA-area team and just be labeled "California". Echo Park right next to Dodger Stadium would be AWESOME, considering its proximity in the middle of the city (one thing I do love about Dodger games) and accessible by just about every major freeway. Pasadena isn't too bad, but I dislike having to share turf with college teams. Oh, and as George Carlin said, Fuck Golf Courses. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Astro Report post Posted November 30, 2004 Oddly enough, snuffbox is the only Packers fan here who is actually from Wisconsin *ahem* Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Czech Republic 0 Report post Posted November 30, 2004 Congratulations, Badger State, now you can claim the shower-shitter as your own Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Slayer 0 Report post Posted December 1, 2004 Oddly enough, snuffbox is the only Packers fan here who is actually from Wisconsin *ahem* Because your Packers fandom and Wisconsin residency were clearly obvious before-hand Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Czech Republic 0 Report post Posted December 1, 2004 He was smart for not coming out with it, I don't think he could afford another strike against him Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Astro Report post Posted December 1, 2004 *wags tail* /chases said tail Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
