MikeJordan23 Posted November 30, 2004 Report Posted November 30, 2004 For starters or example Hogan was scheduledto be at Starrcade 1983 they even announced him on the Mid-Atlantic TV show as one of the participants on the card. (This is true for a fact) Ultimate Warrior was supposed to win the world title at Summer Slam 1992 (This, how true it is I'm not sure, but I've heard it numerous times)
cawthon777 Posted November 30, 2004 Report Posted November 30, 2004 Ultimate Warrior was supposed to win the world title at Summer Slam 1992 ... by turning heel, something he refused to do. The impression that I get is that, had that show not been held in England, Shawn Michaels would have been the one to dethrone Bret Hart of the IC belt on that date, not the Bulldog. Butch Reed was supposed to win the IC title from Ricky Steamboat. But he no showed and the Honkytonk Man was thrown in as a last-minute substitute after Hogan suggested it to Vince. The Legion of Doom were to meet the Natural Disasters in a title rematch at WrestleMania VIII. It was never announced on TV. As a matter of fact, that entire card was turned upside down. Aside from the obvious main event changes, Owen and Neidhart were supposed to be part of the 8-man tag at one point, IIRC.
MikeJordan23 Posted November 30, 2004 Author Report Posted November 30, 2004 Ultimate Warrior was supposed to win the world title at Summer Slam 1992 ... by turning heel, something he refused to do. The impression that I get is that, had that show not been held in England, Shawn Michaels would have been the one to dethrone Bret Hart of the IC belt on that date, not the Bulldog. Butch Reed was supposed to win the IC title from Ricky Steamboat. But he no showed and the Honkytonk Man was thrown in as a last-minute substitute after Hogan suggested it to Vince. The Legion of Doom were to meet the Natural Disasters in a title rematch at WrestleMania VIII. It was never announced on TV. As a matter of fact, that entire card was turned upside down. Aside from the obvious main event changes, Owen and Neidhart were supposed to be part of the 8-man tag at one point, IIRC. From my understanding the mainevent for WM 8 was always going to be what it winded up being. But yeah I knew Warrior did something backstage... I also agree with the Shawn Michaels/Bret Hart thing you came up with, though I never heard it before. I know Lex Luger was supposed to win the World Title at SS, but they thought it was too soon, wait to WM, but by then Bret Hart was the most popular of the two, so they put it on him again. And Luger the choker title still holds...
alfdogg Posted November 30, 2004 Report Posted November 30, 2004 Flair vs Hogan was announced on TV for WM8, but I don't know if it was ever actually planned. From what I understood, Summerslam 92 was either to be held in UK or somewhere in the US (I want to say DC). In the states, Shawn would go over in a ladder match.
cawthon777 Posted November 30, 2004 Report Posted November 30, 2004 Flair vs Hogan was announced on TV for WM8, but I don't know if it was ever actually planned. From what I understood, Summerslam 92 was either to be held in UK or somewhere in the US (I want to say DC). In the states, Shawn would go over in a ladder match. I would be shocked if Hogan vs. Flair wasn't planned for WrestleMania from Day 1 that Flair was with the company. That was the obvious money match. I think the plans officially changed right before the Royal Rumble, which would explain the Hogan / Sid confrontation after the match. So by the time Hogan was named on TV as the top contender, the plan was just to swerve the fans a week or two later and change the card as a result of the SNME tag match. From what I've read on RSPW, the Capital Centre in Landover, MD was a rumored site for Summer Slam. That was basically the default DC arena. They ended up doing a TV taping there just days after the PPV.
MillenniumMan831 Posted December 1, 2004 Report Posted December 1, 2004 The Mountie was announced to receive an IC Title shot against the British Bulldog at Survivor Series 1992 but obviously, that didn't pan out.
Hunter's Torn Quad Posted December 1, 2004 Report Posted December 1, 2004 I believe Flair v Hogan was tentatively planned for WM VIII, but when it cooled off business-wise at house shows, that idea was scrapped.
Slickster Posted December 1, 2004 Report Posted December 1, 2004 From what I've read on RSPW, the Capital Centre in Landover, MD was a rumored site for Summer Slam. That was basically the default DC arena. They ended up doing a TV taping there just days after the PPV. According to Bret Hart's shoot interview, had they held SSlam in Landover, HBK would have won the IC title in a ladder match; Bret claims that the 'test match' he and HBK had had a couple months earlier was to gauge audience reaction to the ladder match and so the two men could plan spots in case they had a rematch at SSlam.
Guest fanofcoils Posted December 1, 2004 Report Posted December 1, 2004 Ultimate Warrior was supposed to win the world title at Summer Slam 1992 ... by turning heel, something he refused to do. The impression that I get is that, had that show not been held in England, Shawn Michaels would have been the one to dethrone Bret Hart of the IC belt on that date, not the Bulldog. Butch Reed was supposed to win the IC title from Ricky Steamboat. But he no showed and the Honkytonk Man was thrown in as a last-minute substitute after Hogan suggested it to Vince. The Legion of Doom were to meet the Natural Disasters in a title rematch at WrestleMania VIII. It was never announced on TV. As a matter of fact, that entire card was turned upside down. Aside from the obvious main event changes, Owen and Neidhart were supposed to be part of the 8-man tag at one point, IIRC. What about Legion of Doom vs Money Inc that was scheduled for Wrestlemania VIII? Which one is it? Also does anyone know why Legion of Doom dropped the WWF tag titles in February 1992?
cawthon777 Posted December 1, 2004 Report Posted December 1, 2004 What about Legion of Doom vs Money Inc that was scheduled for Wrestlemania VIII? Which one is it? LOD / Money Inc was never scheduled for WrestleMania. Money Inc weren't even regarded as a full time team until they won the straps and LOD were off the road completely between losing the belts and appearing at WrestleMania. Their tag match at Summer Slam was supposed to be for the belts. Maybe that's what you were thinking of?
ChrisMWaters Posted December 1, 2004 Report Posted December 1, 2004 From Flair's book... Wasn't there a plan to bring Ric in during Savage's FIRST WWF Title reign?
Guest LooneyTune Posted December 1, 2004 Report Posted December 1, 2004 Flair was suppose to be the special guest at Summerslam '88 for Brother Love, but it didn't pan out of course. Besides, he did appear at MSG before, so it was a lie anyway! Other than that, no idea since he didn't sign with them.
Guest fanofcoils Posted December 1, 2004 Report Posted December 1, 2004 What about Legion of Doom vs Money Inc that was scheduled for Wrestlemania VIII? Which one is it? LOD / Money Inc was never scheduled for WrestleMania. Money Inc weren't even regarded as a full time team until they won the straps and LOD were off the road completely between losing the belts and appearing at WrestleMania. Their tag match at Summer Slam was supposed to be for the belts. Maybe that's what you were thinking of? No, I heard differently about Money Inc vs LOD being scheduled for Wrestlemania. I heard it somewhere before and I think it was mentioned on this board a few days ago. Where did you hear about Natural Disasters vs LOD being scheduled for Wrestlemania?
alfdogg Posted December 1, 2004 Report Posted December 1, 2004 I vaguely remember reading that LOD/Disasters was scheduled for WM8, as well. Perhaps one of LOD was injured? I don't think I ever heard exactly why they dropped the belts so abruptly.
UseTheSledgehammerUh Posted December 1, 2004 Report Posted December 1, 2004 The WM magazine with Flair EXPOSING ELIZABETH as being "mine before yours" with the doctored photos has this: "Exclusive WM Preview!" and one of the matches DISCUSSED, with PICTURES, if WWF Tag Champions Money, Inc. Vs. Jim Duggan & Sgt. Slaughter.
Guest Astro Posted December 1, 2004 Report Posted December 1, 2004 Hawk was out (injury) at WM 8, according to Meltz in the new tributes book
Guest fanofcoils Posted December 1, 2004 Report Posted December 1, 2004 Hawk was out (injury) at WM 8, according to Meltz in the new tributes book Did he say what was his injury and when he got injured?
MikeJordan23 Posted December 1, 2004 Author Report Posted December 1, 2004 Bret Hart was SUPPOSED to go to WCW in early (Right around the time he lost to the Mountie) 1992, but didn't give Vince notice in enough time, so he had to stay. The the thing going around then was Bret was going to show up at Clash of the Champion with the belt which Dave Meltzer said is a little far fetched.
cawthon777 Posted December 1, 2004 Report Posted December 1, 2004 According to Bad News Brown (if that's worth anything), he was brought in by Vince McMahon to headline against Hogan at WrestleMania IV.
Bruiser Chong Posted December 1, 2004 Report Posted December 1, 2004 I know Lex Luger was supposed to win the World Title at SS, but they thought it was too soon, wait to WM, but by then Bret Hart was the most popular of the two, so they put it on him again. And Luger the choker title still holds... No, he was never slated to win the title at SS. It would've made sense, but the plan was always to drag it out until WM. He was scheduled to win in there, but Luger's big mouth got him in trouble the night before when he was out bragging that he'd be winning the title the next day. Word got around and Vince quickly changed it to Bret winning the title. There were a lot of crappy matches scheduled on various WWF PPVs that never panned out. The Bulldog was supposed to face the Berzerker at WM VIII. Kamala was supposed to take on Bam Bam Bigelow at WM IX. Tatanka was supposed to face the Berzerker at SS '92, which he did, but not on the actual PPV telecast. When you look at old Survivor Series shows, you see a lot of guys who were supposed to be on the show, but were replaced for whatver reason. Off the top of my head... - Billy Graham was originally on Hogan's team at the first Survivor Series, later being replaced by Murraco. - The JYD, Brian Blair and Don Murraco were all participants of Survivor Series '88 at one point. - Akeem and Barry Windham were slated to participate at Sur. Series '89 but were replaced. - Steamboat, Big Bully and Jim Neidhart were all originally involved in an eight-man match, but were ultimately replaced. And before Nailz went and got himself fired in late 1992 / early 1993, he was being prepped for a program with the Undertaker, which would've involved an electric chair match.
Guest LooneyTune Posted December 1, 2004 Report Posted December 1, 2004 According to Bad News Brown (if that's worth anything), he was brought in by Vince McMahon to headline against Hogan at WrestleMania IV. ...AHAHAHA! That's some B.S. I know he was suppose to get a world Title reign sometime, but the plan the whole time was for the Tournament with Dibiase winning... and Brown only debuted that January-February.
Guest Astro Posted December 1, 2004 Report Posted December 1, 2004 Hawk was out (injury) at WM 8, according to Meltz in the new tributes book Did he say what was his injury and when he got injured? I don't recall off hand, I know one of them had a cracked pelvis IIRC, maybe that was the injury The LOD didn't want to job to Money INc, so Vince had to tell them they'd get the belts back at WM or SSlam and then LOD wouldn't allow the switch to be taped
landy1987 Posted December 1, 2004 Report Posted December 1, 2004 Butch Reed was supposed to win the IC title from Ricky Steamboat. But he no showed and the Honkytonk Man was thrown in as a last-minute substitute after Hogan suggested it to Vince. why does everyone say that? At the TV taping recorded 5/12 in Anaheim, during at least 1 match (Beefcake's I think which aired 6/6). Vince, Bruno and Jesse all discuss the following week's title match with Honky & Steamboat, which was taped 6/3. Now, I'm pretty sure the commentary for the match was recorded live, (they would never dub in commentary by Bruno afterwards I'm sure, as they always did live commentary for TV tapings, and began dubbing them in shortly after Bruno left) so I don't understand why everyone says Butch Reed was scheduled to win the title?
Guest LooneyTune Posted December 1, 2004 Report Posted December 1, 2004 Sounds pretty odd, but WWF dubbing in commentary for stuff has never been taboo. Even when putting previously seen matches on TV to Coliseum Videos, they would dub over it with whatever they wanted to use.
Hunter's Torn Quad Posted December 1, 2004 Report Posted December 1, 2004 Butch Reed was supposed to win the IC title from Ricky Steamboat. But he no showed and the Honkytonk Man was thrown in as a last-minute substitute after Hogan suggested it to Vince. why does everyone say that? At the TV taping recorded 5/12 in Anaheim, during at least 1 match (Beefcake's I think which aired 6/6). Vince, Bruno and Jesse all discuss the following week's title match with Honky & Steamboat, which was taped 6/3. Now, I'm pretty sure the commentary for the match was recorded live, (they would never dub in commentary by Bruno afterwards I'm sure, as they always did live commentary for TV tapings, and began dubbing them in shortly after Bruno left) so I don't understand why everyone says Butch Reed was scheduled to win the title? Everyone says it because it's true. It's well known. Even Honky himself has admitted that he only got the belt because Butch Reed "went AWOL".
cawthon777 Posted December 1, 2004 Report Posted December 1, 2004 Tatanka was supposed to face the Berzerker at SS '92, which he did, but not on the actual PPV telecast. I believe that match did air as part of the UK telecast but was cut from the US version due to time restraints. I have heard in the past from fans in England that Crush / Repo was cut from the UK version for the same reason.
Alro Posted December 1, 2004 Report Posted December 1, 2004 The LOD didn't want to job to Money INc, so Vince had to tell them they'd get the belts back at WM or SSlam and then LOD wouldn't allow the switch to be taped How did they handle this on TV? I was going through Graham's site and it looked liked some stuff was taped for air after they lost the belts. Did the footage just get trashed or did the title switch not get mentioned for a while?
Guest LooneyTune Posted December 1, 2004 Report Posted December 1, 2004 They mentioned it during a Event Center Update, but nothing beyond that.
Bruiser Chong Posted December 1, 2004 Report Posted December 1, 2004 Tatanka was supposed to face the Berzerker at SS '92, which he did, but not on the actual PPV telecast. I believe that match did air as part of the UK telecast but was cut from the US version due to time restraints. I have heard in the past from fans in England that Crush / Repo was cut from the UK version for the same reason. They did air the previously unaired matches at later dates on PTW.
alfdogg Posted December 2, 2004 Report Posted December 2, 2004 Survivor Series replacements were mentioned earlier. 87 - Don Muraco for Billy Graham 88 - JYD, Blair, Muraco were replaced...one was Scott Casey, not sure who the others were 89 - Bobby Heenan for Tully Blanchard, Earthquake for The Widow Maker, Bad News Brown for Akeem 90 - Boris Zhukov for Akeem, Haku for Rick Rude 91 - Sgt. Slaughter for Jim Neidhart, Tito Santana for Rick Steamboat, Hercules for Big Bully Busick 92 - Nasties for Bushwhackers 93 - Michaels for Lawler, UT for Tatanka, Crush for Quebecer Pierre, Savage for Perfect 96 - Roberts for Mark Henry
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