It's that time of year

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It's just ridiculous. Be more inclusive not less inclusive. If someone is offended by a Christmas display, ask them what religion they are? If they're Jewish, add a menorah. If they're...um....celebrate Kwanza put up a....whatever symbol they use. See the kicker is I think most of these PC police are secular atheists and thus they would respond they don't celebrate anything (poor bastards) so there would be nothing to put up I guess, thus they have no right to complain. If I was a business owner I'd put up something like "Merry Christmas, Happy Hannukah and to our atheist friend's Happy Saturday" or something silly like that.

 

Anyway to the poster that's sick of Christmas music, you took the words out of my mouth. Everything is nice in moderation but a month of nothing but the same dozen songs sung in every style over and over again on every radio station and in every store and office is enough to drive you mad!

[Guest sek69]

The wacky thing is, I'm what most people would call a secular atheiest, and I don't have a problem with anyone's holidays. No one else I know does either.

 

All the crying I hear is coming from the more bible-thumpish christians that evil heathens are trying to steal Christmas away, without having any actual proof.

[Styles 0]

The wacky thing is, I'm what most people would call a secular atheiest, and I don't have a problem with anyone's holidays. No one else I know does either.

 

All the crying I hear is coming from the more bible-thumpish christians that evil heathens are trying to steal Christmas away, without having any actual proof.

Schools having to call Christmas trees "Holiday trees" is just absurd.

[Vern Gagne 0]

Boy dressed has Santa asked to leave school party.

 

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[Styles 0]

Boy dressed has Santa asked to leave school party.

 

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Maybe he should dress as Jesus next time...

[Jobber of the Week 0]

Santa Claus is a religious symbol now?

 

"Stop dressing like a secular icon! This a non-religious school!"

[MrRant 0]

I bet it would have been ok if he came as Kwanza man...

 

Or a dreidel...

[Guest BDC]

Santa Claus is a religious symbol now?

 

"Stop dressing like a secular icon! This a non-religious school!"

Santa is tied to Christmas, which we all know...

 

Ah screw it. In the words of Mr. Garrison:

 

"Hey there Mr. Muslim Man, Merry ****ING CHRISTMAS, put down that silly book the Koran and have some holiday wishes".

 

I'm getting to the point where that song seems more and more appropriate.

[Guest sek69]

I still don't get how conservatives can turn a few schools' skittishness into proof of a widespread atheist liberal conspiracy to smother baby Jesus.

 

For example, in the story above about the kid dressed as Santa Claus, all I gathered from it is the principal of the school is a spineless douchebag.

 

Its just starting to get on my nerves to see people blame everything on the "PC Police" but the only people I see pushing their beliefs on the masses at large are religious conservatives who want to adapt the Bible into law.

[MrRant 0]

It has to do with the "PC Police" stopping people from celebrating Christmas even in the commercial sense of Santa, Frosty and such.

 

Last I checked Frosty wasn't a Catholic Bishop and Santa didn't go on Crusades against heretics.

[Guest sek69]

It has to do with the "PC Police" stopping people from celebrating Christmas even in the commercial sense of Santa, Frosty and such.

 

Last I checked Frosty wasn't a Catholic Bishop and Santa didn't go on Crusades against heretics.

But, just like the Whos in Whoville, Christmas goes on anyway.

 

"PC Nazis stopping Christmas" is just another "Liberal Media" style smokescreen.

 

If the evil secularists were out to kill Christmas, they sure are doing a piss poor job at it. Yet the right wing makes it sound like they are unstopppable.

 

Can't have it both ways.

[MarvinisaLunatic 0]

1582: Gregorian calendar

 

In 1582, Pope Gregory XIII boldly changed the course of history and of timekeeping when he instituted the present-day Christian calendar. The Gregorian calendar chopped ten days off the previously-used Julian calendar, which had been the standard since 46 BC, and switched New Year's Day from March to the first of January. The still-active Gregorian calendar is not quite accurate: it runs twenty-six seconds fast per year.

 

Someone should alert the PC police that the calendar is tied to the Christian religion. Bah gawd, we can't have that either. they can even use the 26 seconds fast part as an excuse.

[Guest BDC]

It has to do with the "PC Police" stopping people from celebrating Christmas even in the commercial sense of Santa, Frosty and such.

 

Last I checked Frosty wasn't a Catholic Bishop and Santa didn't go on Crusades against heretics.

But, just like the Whos in Whoville, Christmas goes on anyway.

 

"PC Nazis stopping Christmas" is just another "Liberal Media" style smokescreen.

 

If the evil secularists were out to kill Christmas, they sure are doing a piss poor job at it. Yet the right wing makes it sound like they are unstopppable.

 

Can't have it both ways.

I love how you aren't listening.

 

They're trying. They suceeded in crapping on retail stores to say "Happy Holidays" as opposed to any holiday, so in that sense they've succeeded.

 

You want to know what they deal is? I want them to SHUT THE FUCK UP. I don't want to hear about who's offended by my beliefs because they're mine and I have a right to them. Am I pushing it on you? Right now? Am I?

 

It's always cracked me up that the PC Police will claim they're only trying to be equal, but I read a case study called "The Christ Child Goes to Court" about the ACLU suing a town for having a nativity in a public area. That's what they sued about, but the jewish menorah just about fifty feet away? Nothing.

[Guest sek69]

They're trying. They suceeded in crapping on retail stores to say "Happy Holidays" as opposed to any holiday, so in that sense they've succeeded.

 

I never knew being inclusive constitutes "crapping" on someone. I always assumed "Happy Holidays" included Christmas. Hell I was in a store last week and the salesperson said "Merry Christmas" and yet there wasn't hordes of ACLU people tearing the roof off the place.

 

 

You want to know what they deal is? I want them to SHUT THE FUCK UP. I don't want to hear about who's offended by my beliefs because they're mine and I have a right to them. Am I pushing it on you? Right now? Am I?

 

Well telling people you don't agree with to shut the fuck up isn't very Christmas-like, that's for sure.

 

 

It's always cracked me up that the PC Police will claim they're only trying to be equal, but I read a case study called "The Christ Child Goes to Court" about the ACLU suing a town for having a nativity in a public area. That's what they sued about, but the jewish menorah just about fifty feet away? Nothing.

 

Maybe fifty feet away wasn't public property but the nativity was. Without seeing the court documents who can say what the deal was?

 

 

What amazes me is how right wing types go nuts at the suggestion that other religious holidays be put on the same level as Christmas. No one is saying that people can't celebrate whatever holiday they're into, the argument I see is that businesses who serve the general public might be better served realizing that not everyone celebrates Christmas.

[Jobber of the Week 0]

I still don't get how conservatives can turn a few schools' skittishness into proof of a widespread atheist liberal conspiracy to smother baby Jesus.

 

For example, in the story above about the kid dressed as Santa Claus, all I gathered from it is the principal of the school is a spineless douchebag.

More like a moron since Santa Claus isn't in anybody's Bibles, Koran, Torah, whatever. So his excuse makes no sense.

 

Again, it all comes down to the problem that people take their religion too seriously. The problem with putting crosses and nativity scenes everywhere is that someone's going to be angry about it. People are tired of fighting, which is why more and more slowly people are giving up on adding anything religious at all and all-inclusive icons Santa, Frosty, and Rudolph are starting to beome the more nationally recognized symbols of the winter holidays.

 

Basically, because of all the fighting that occurs when someone takes a position, it's better to take no position and avoid the fighting.

 

However, some religious people just can't take that sitting down, almost as if they HAVE to complain. So now, the people who just decided they didn't want to get involved in the religious arguements are being attacked as trying to suffocate the Christian message of the season and make this a religiously anonymous nation.

 

NO.

 

We are doing this because when we did it differently the first time, YOU (being the overly-anal religious people) threw a fit. So sit down and reap what you sow. It's not like Santa excludes your religion any more than the next guy's.

[MrRant 0]

They aren't even allowing Santa to be around. OMG CHRISTMAS HAS THE WORD CHRIST IN IT~!LOLBABYJESUS2004!

 

I'm all for keeping baby Jesus and such out of school plays but when a kid can't dress up as Santa because it may offend the one Jew in the class room then fuck you all.

[Jobber of the Week 0]

I love how you aren't listening.

 

They're trying.  They suceeded in crapping on retail stores to say "Happy Holidays" as opposed to any holiday, so in that sense they've succeeded.

Perhaps that isn't because "the PC Police" have convinced the store's. Perhaps because the stores, as a private enterprise, want every customer they can.

 

You like to ramble about the PC Police but you forget the other people who contribute to this situation.

 

Like the people who wouldn't shop there because it says Happy Chanukah instead of Merry Christmas.

Or because it says Merry Christmas instead of Best To Yours This Kwanzaa.

 

This is not the PC police, this is the religiously uptight folks, and the stores want their money because it's just as green as anybody else's.

 

You want to know what they deal is?  I want them to SHUT THE FUCK UP.  I don't want to hear about who's offended by my beliefs because they're mine and I have a right to them.  Am I pushing it on you?  Right now?  Am I?

 

Technically, you ARE pushing beliefs and opinions on me, but that's beside the point. The point is that you see all this villainy as being solely responsible to some unofficial crowd you nickname "The PC Police", but don't see people from other religions who are as determined in their belief that their holiday is being persecuted as much as you do. I bet a lot of "The PC Police" is just people trying to make all of you happy so that you'll stop your yapping.

 

It's always cracked me up that the PC Police will claim they're only trying to be equal, but I read a case study called "The Christ Child Goes to Court" about the ACLU suing a town for having a nativity in a public area.  That's what they sued about, but the jewish menorah just about fifty feet away?  Nothing.

 

Yawn. Random ACLU Case Pulled Out Of Nowhere to try and claim some massive silencing of Christianity #831. Irrelevant.

[NoCalMike 0]

The thing we have to remember though is, the ACLU is about the rule of law, not popular or unpopular opinion. I am agnostic and I don't really care how anyone else celebrates their own holidays. I have never been once forced to participate, as well that is the way it should be, but to everyone's credit, that is the way it has always been in all of my schools. No one sued or carried on over and of this bullshit. Now I will say that it is not just OMG PC LIBERALS that do this kind of shit. Some lady in this city put up enough huff about Halloween being celebrated in her kid's school that they were forced to ban any halloween movie with a witch or a kid dressed up as a witch character as well as send out a strict costume code memo about what "satanic" costumes wouldn't be allowed. All this because ONE, yes ONE lady complained about "satanism and witchcraft ruling the day on October 31st"

[NoCalMike 0]

Also, we can also look at a case where the ACLU fought for children's rights to hand out candy canes with christian messages on them before school outside the entrance. As long as it wasn't during school hours, yes the ACLU went to court to fight for the children's rights to do this, and they won the case. Fauwell tried to run some ads about this where he was leaving out information and blantantly lying to suggest the ACLU was doing the exact opposite which is untrue. Fauwell was trying to make it seem that because the ACLU didn't fight for their right to let them do this on school grounds during school hours, that somehow the ACLU was trying to shut out christianity in schools.......

[Guest SP-1]

My favorite repeated phrase in this thread is, "Some people take their religion too seriously."

 

Perhaps the opposite is true. "Some people don't take the spiritual seriously enough."

 

Simply because you don't agree with it doesn't mean you can decree it to be something that isn't taken seriously.

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The thing is, the ACLU fights for the constitution and bill of rights, not for secular and non-secular causes. People confuse that often, and the ACLU has been on both sides. They even teamed with Fauwell in the past on some lawsuits where they won, but of course Fauwell will never ever mention that because it would hurt the legs on his soapbox.

[Jobber of the Week 0]

Perhaps the opposite is true. "Some people don't take the spiritual seriously enough."

In some ways that might be true. But people are taking it too seriously in the degree where they are offended at someone else's different religion or lack of religion.

[MrRant 0]

The thing is, the ACLU fights for the constitution and bill of rights, not for secular and non-secular causes. People confuse that often, and the ACLU has been on both sides. They even teamed with Fauwell in the past on some lawsuits where they won, but of course Fauwell will never ever mention that because it would hurt the legs on his soapbox.

Soap boxes don't have legs.

[Special K 0]

I honestly think this is just something the conservative pundits blew out of proportion to get everyone riled up against the crazy libs when like MAYBE 1% of people make a stink about it. They didn't have anything else to talk about, since their main man won the election.

[Guest SP-1]

Perhaps the opposite is true.  "Some people don't take the spiritual seriously enough."

In some ways that might be true. But people are taking it too seriously in the degree where they are offended at someone else's different religion or lack of religion.

I'd actually agree with you there. Being offended shows a lack of understanding what's going on around you and leads to judgement. Something Christians are not called to. Not in that way.

[NoCalMike 0]

This thread needs to die, it is horribly off track, and my attempts to right the ship have been no sold numerous times.....

[Jobber of the Week 0]

I'd actually agree with you there. Being offended shows a lack of understanding what's going on around you and leads to judgement. Something Christians are not called to. Not in that way.

And to complete the circle, I'll acknowledge that Christianity doesn't have nearly as many calls for revenge and war as many other large religions do in favor of generally abiding the golden rule. Too bad it seems like a lot of people haven't paid attention to their holy scripture lately.

 

And now that everyone's getting along, the thread can successfully die.

[Guest Agent of Oblivion]

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