It's that time of year

[Guest BDC]

Tell ya what, use whatever greeting is appropriate for you.

 

Me: Merry Christmas

 

Jewish guy: Happy Hannukah

 

And so on. Dammit, why should you care what I SAY to you?

[Kahran Ramsus 0]

My problem isn't with people not saying 'Merry Christmas', my problem is with the PC Police saying I can't.

[Jobber of the Week 0]

I had to stop going to Starbucks to study and do homework because I can't stand the mind-numbing Christmas music being played over and over again.

Hey now, I get the music at Starbucks piped into my house and that's the only place I can hear the old Vince Guraldi songs. Even Holly, which is supposedly supposed to play all contemporary Christmas music, doesn't play the old Charlie Brown's Christmas songs.

 

King Cucuracha:

It's as bad here in England too, so it's not just a U.S thing...the whole world's becoming fearful of not being politically correct. And of course, despite the fact that the majority of people think the ideas are stupid, the minority win out. Because the minority can get supported by lawyers should they get a little tetchy.

 

It's not so much that it's people afraid of being or not being politically correct. The problem is that the whole conflict is religious based, and people are so vigorous in their religious views that once someone claims that Merry Christmas is insulting to his religious view, three other people will stop using it because they don't want to piss off that person, etc.

 

That's why I don't have a problem with companies just saying "Happy Holidays," because they want every customer they can, including the people who get anally religious if they get wished a greeting that corresponds to another religion.

 

This whole thing wouldn't be an issue, of course, if people only adopted my strategy of "Take Religion Less Seriously." Then we would also be without a lot of international terror and bloody conflicts.

[AndrewTS 0]

And of course, despite the fact that the majority of people think the ideas are stupid, the minority win out. Because the minority can get supported by lawyers should they get a little tetchy.

Solution: Get rid of the lawyers

 

"3. It's okay to put all bad people in a giant meat grinder.

4. Lawyers: see rule three..."

[Spicy McHaggis 0]

Jesus, Mary, and Joseph...

 

If I read one more time that Christ wasn't born on December 25, I'm going to have a coronary. That fact is widely known. December 25 is the feast day, the arbritrary commemoration, of Christ's birth. The 25th was a pagan holiday (the tree, a pagan symbol) adopted specifically to make Christianity more palatable by blending two traditions. Christ's birth is essentially celebrated all over again on January 6, the Epiphany. Before you criticize any religion, please take some time to look into it.

[Some Guy 0]

We've gone from a tyrany of the majority to a tyrany of the minority on the Christmas deal in America.  And there is no compromise that either side seems willing to make.  I have no problem with X-Mas decorations, Kwanza decorations, or any other holiday's decortaions being put up in public.  I just don't care.  People are supposed to be free to worship whatever or whoever they do or don't want to.  These whack jobs who feel it is their moral mission to control everyone else's lives because they are offended by something should be lined up and shot.  I;m sick and fucking tired about hearing how "inclusive" the Left is and about their "big tent" because it's a bunch of horseshit.  There is nothing inclusive about banning X-Mas decorations.  Being inclusive would allowing those and other decorations to be put up.  What you have here is a handful of resentful biggots who can't handle the fact that their holiday is not number one and/or want to pretend that X-Mas doesn't exist.  My advice to them is to stop obstructing every fucking thing that you don't like, cut out the rigteous indignation routine and go on with your lives.  You'll be a whole lot happier that way.  Running around and being upset all the time is not a good way to have a happy life, that is, I suppose unless you truely enjoy bothering people and forcing your will upon them.

When one plans to go off on some "self-rigteous" tangent about something, having correct spelling is often a good idea.

 

Anyway, first I'd like to say that I think the main goal of the liberals isn't to have one, all-inclusive group... instead I believe its to do away with the idea of a group. Its not a "big tent" my friend, its "no tent." Macy's can do whatever the hell they want, if they want to set up a Nativity scene in their lady's undergarments section, they can do that. Macy's is a private business, and they can decorate however they please. If they're going to make this move, I'm sure theres some sort of economic incentive, or at least the prospect of one, waiting in the wings. As far as public institutions go, when the matter is religious, the lowest common denominator sets the pace. If nobody complained, a giant driedal could be set up on top of the Washington Monument. I think its petty to complain about whether or not a school should have Holiday decorations up, but if one person cares, then it becomes an issue. The seperation of Church and State is an idea that the country is strongly rooted in, and unfortunately, you have to take the good with the bad.

 

As far as Christmas being a relgious holiday anymore, I have to side with the secular camp. There are plenty of people who still attend church, and celebrate the birthday of Jesus Christ, but the majority is families like mine. We're Jewish, but we still get a tree and pass out presents on Christmas morning, because now its about family and friends, and coming together to exchange gifts, eat a big dinner and spend some quality time with your loved-ones. As far as I'm concerned, its a far more logical reason than some dead guy's birthday.

My bad about the typo. But anyways...

 

First off, I never said anything about Macy's right to decorate their store anyway they see fit. I don't care. I was arguing about the fact that such a small minority of people in this country hold so much power over others. I think it's wrong in this case that about 15% of the population can control whether the other 85% can publically celebrate their holiday. I don't recall too many stories about Kwanza decorations being protested, this is for the most part a one way street where anti-Christians are trying to suppress religious freedom. I am not a Christian and I don't believe in God. I do however believe in people's rights to be free to express their's.

 

I wouldn't have anymore problem with a dradel being put on top of the Washington Monument then I would a X-Mas tree or whatever. The only problem I'd have with it is if my tax money went to pay for it.

 

The "Big tent" phrase is one that is directly pulled from Democrat talking points and I think it's a bunch of shit.

 

I do agree with your point that the Democrats don't want an all inclusive group. If we had one in this country they'd go out of business. It is not in the Dems best interests to do away with divisions in society. That is what they run for election based on, they run on a divisive ticket of race, religion, and class warfare.

 

On one hand you seem to be arguing that people shoudl be able to do what they want but on the other they just can't do it publically. I think that students shoudl be allowed to decorate their schools and citezens their town common or whatever with religious holiday decorations, regardless of what it may be. That would be freedom, what is being argued (primarilly by the left) is suppression of religious freedom.

 

Separation of shurch and state is intended to prevent the government from promoting a given religion, if all are allowed representation then there is no conflict. Being allowed representation is different from having though. By that I mean it is entirely possible for a school to have no one who celebrates Kwanza in it(I'd be willing to bet that my high school didn't have any, but we did have Kwanza signs [put up by the multi-cultural club] and were not allowed X-Mas decorations). And furthermore destroying positive holiday signs and decorations should not be tolerated.

[Guest Jim Ross]

Speaking of the Christmas Sales... I wonder if the people who find Christmas offensive will demand to pay FULL price for an item, and refuse the seasonal discounts.

 

I thought we lived in a 'Multi-Cultural Society'... not an Other-Cultural one

[Hogan Made Wrestling 0]

Some religious nut in England ATTACKED the infamous wax nativity scene that features David Beckham as Jopeph, Posh Spice as Mary, and Kylie Minogue as an angel, among others. I believe Blair and Bush were two of the three wise men.

[Special K 0]

The thing is, yeah there are crazies on both sides, and they sometimes can make a case (not that I agree) about public lands. But private companies shouldn't be cowed by 1% of bitchy people because they have a tree up.

My college celebrated Yom Kippur. Did I give a damn? Of course not. No one did. If you allow yourself to be intimidated by crazies, it's your own fault.

I also think it's a better option to do as the post office does (they have stamps for all holidays) than to just generalize it into nothingness. Hardcore atheists can shut the fuck up. Someone celebrating their religion does not oppress a lack of religion. I don't remember people losing their shit about the Darwin fish, and that's more directly offensive, since it's using another religion's symbol.

 

I DO want to market a Darwin fish eatting a Jesus Fish eatting a Darwing fish to make that stupid little feud completely absurdist.

 

 

 

When one plans to go off on some "self-rigteous" tangent about something, having correct spelling is often a good idea.

 

This may be the best sentence ever.

[Jobber of the Week 0]

Some religious nut in England ATTACKED the infamous wax nativity scene that features David Beckham as Jopeph, Posh Spice as Mary, and Kylie Minogue as an angel, among others. I believe Blair and Bush were two of the three wise men.

Bumping an old thread to say that George W Bush as a wise man always gives me the giggles.

 

Also, Some Guy's posts are interesting in that he complains that people need to stop taking their religion so seriously (regarding complaining of other religious symbols in the public square) but has no problem taking his own religion too seriously (sees a place for Christian symbolism in the town square and thinks that anyone who disagrees with it should see that they're a minority and shut up.)

 

If I may be so bold as to use biblical scripture, he is pointing out the speck in his neighbor's eye while ignoring the plank in his own.

[Guest Agent of Oblivion]

Some religious nut in England ATTACKED the infamous wax nativity scene that features David Beckham as Jopeph, Posh Spice as Mary, and Kylie Minogue as an angel, among others. I believe Blair and Bush were two of the three wise men.

Who was jesus?

[kkktookmybabyaway 0]

Some long-haired unemployed guy from back in the day.

 

You know, a hippie...

[Jobber of the Week 0]

Some long-haired unemployed guy from back in the day.

 

You know, a hippie...

Remember when he kicked out all the taxmen?

 

Hey, those taxes pay for what you like to call "our daily bread," hippie. Get a job!

[Slayer 0]

I would have attacked that nativity scene for having such a shitty gathering of celebs

[2GOLD 0]

I would have melted it.

[Guest SP-1]

Some long-haired unemployed guy from back in the day.

 

You know, a hippie...

Remember when he kicked out all the taxmen?

 

Hey, those taxes pay for what you like to call "our daily bread," hippie. Get a job!

Mind pointing out where that happened?

 

 

 

I kind of want a picture of that nativity scene. Just to laugh at.

[kkktookmybabyaway 0]

Didn't Jesus tear shit up at a few temples and stuff? He must had a bad drag or something...

[Guest SP-1]

At a temple. With good reason.

 

Which is, I believe, what Jobber is referencing. Only Jesus didn't attack taxmen.

[Toshiaki Koala 0]

When one plans to go off on some "self-rigteous" tangent about something, having correct spelling is often a good idea.

 

...The seperation of Church and State is an idea that the country is strongly rooted in, and unfortunately, you have to take the good with the bad.

 

...As far as Christmas being a relgious holiday anymore, I have to side with the secular camp.

I hate to be a jerk, but you asked for it.

[DrVenkman PhD 0]

A few yeas ago in Canada, the Government had an ad campaign for the 12 Days of Giving. It was a farce that was rightly ridiculed and I may even be breaking Canadian law for acknowledging it happened.

 

Also, note my crazy sig!

[Guest sek69]

I would like any of the people fighting the War To Defend Christmas to give one example of the evil Nazi liberal PC goons preventing anyone from uttering the sinful C-word.

 

They can't, because this fuss over Christmas vs Holiday is just another attempt by right wing christians to play the victim in a country that's 85% Christian and voted mainly republican.

 

Besides, even Fox News parent company News Corp has a "Holiday" party at the same time all their talking heads whine about liberals taking Christmas away.

[Guest SP-1]

I would like any of the people fighting the War To Defend Christmas to give one example of the evil Nazi liberal PC goons preventing anyone from uttering the sinful C-word.

 

They can't, because this fuss over Christmas vs Holiday is just another attempt by right wing christians to play the victim in a country that's 85% Christian and voted mainly republican.

 

Besides, even Fox News parent company News Corp has a "Holiday" party at the same time all their talking heads whine about liberals taking Christmas away.

Nominal Christian.

 

There's a difference between how you vote and what you believe/how you live.

[Guest sek69]

True, but the more religious someone is, the more they tend to be conservative republican in their voting habits.

[Guest SP-1]

I'll agree there, but I'm careful to label the Red States as Christian states. Of course, I'm weary to label alot of people who claim to be Christians as actual believers.

[Jobber of the Week 0]

I would like any of the people fighting the War To Defend Christmas to give one example of the evil Nazi liberal PC goons preventing anyone from uttering the sinful C-word.

They can't. This is only because defending the sacred religious roots of Christmas against hordes of undead Liberals and soccer moms and Muslims is the new trendy thing to do in the conservative camp.

 

But then, who am I say? I'm some godless America-hating fag who's just spiteful because he lost the election. Still, never have a people with such dominance over our future complained so much about being under-represented in society.

[Vyce 0]

But then, who am I say? I'm some godless America-hating fag who's just spiteful because he lost the election.

I, for one, am proud of Jobber for finally admitting this, and I suggest more of you follow his example.

 

Once this new understanding has been reached, there's just no telling what sort of cooperation we can look forward too.

[Jobber of the Week 0]

I, for one, am proud of Jobber for finally admitting this, and I suggest more of you follow his example.

This battle is won not on truth but on sarcasm.

[Guest SP-1]

But really, aren't they all?

 

That's what we need in Presidential debates. Sarcasm.

[Vern Gagne 0]

As far as Christmas being a relgious holiday anymore, I have to side with the secular camp. There are plenty of people who still attend church, and celebrate the birthday of Jesus Christ, but the majority is families like mine. We're Jewish, but we still get a tree and pass out presents on Christmas morning, because now its about family and friends, and coming together to exchange gifts, eat a big dinner and spend some quality time with your loved-ones. As far as I'm concerned, its a far more logical reason than some dead guy's birthday.

Some dead guy is why there is a Christmas. He's the sole being for this Christmas Season. Traditions were taken from different places, but in the end the birth of Christ will always be the reason for the Holiday. Santa Claus? Derived from St.Nick, no Jesus no St. Nick.

[kkktookmybabyaway 0]

But then, who am I say? I'm some godless America-hating fag who's just spiteful because he lost the election.

Wow. Self-hating to boot. You must also be a Jew...