spman 0 Report post Posted December 24, 2004 Well it seems pretty much agreed upon that the triple threat from Wrestlemania is MOTY for 2004, so lets get to the much more interesting debate, which match was the worst? Now from the standpoint of sheer supidity and pointlessness, the overall worst match this year workrate wise was probobly Steven Richards vs Tyson Tomko at Unforfgiven. BUT, as bad as that match was, I still have to go with Brock vs. Goldberg. That match by all rights should have been something, but you could tell that right from the opening bell, both guys could hear the crowd response, and simply chose not to give a rats ass about the match. The crowd just shit all over the match, they booed every spot, every move, the only pop came when the match was over. Even Austin at the end got overwhelming boos even after stunning both guys. Although Tomko vs Richards may have been a worse match, Brock vs Goldberg is still my choice for worst match of the year. Other Possible Candidiates: Undertaker vs Dudleyz Great American Bash Undertaker vs Heidenreich Survivor Series Brock Lesnar vs Hardcore Holly Royal Rumble Undertaker vs Kane Wrestlamania XX Hardcore Holly vs Mordecai Great American Bash (Notice a trend here?) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RavishingRickRudo 0 Report post Posted December 24, 2004 Booker/JBL Survivor Series comes to my mind. Eddie/Lesnar was the MOTY, btw. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Aero 0 Report post Posted December 24, 2004 My candidates right away... Billy Gunn vs. Kenzo Suzuki (GAB) Tyson Tomko vs. Steven Richards (Unforgiven) HHH vs. HBK (Bad Blood) Taker vs. Dudleys (GAB) Of the four, I'd pick Tomko vs. Richards, because what they were doing in the ring had no place on a PPV. They literally killed the crowd. Close second is Gunn vs. Suzuki, though. I put HHH-HBK on there only because it bored me to tears. No matter what I hear about any possible psychology or smart booking about this match, I'm still bored watching these two slowwwwwly brawl. The big spot of the match came off looking quite lame, too.. not that it should have been off the top of the cage or something, but the spot just didn't look right. I was, however, impressed that they kept the ENTIRE 50 minutes inside the cage. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
UseTheSledgehammerUh 0 Report post Posted December 24, 2004 Steven Richards Vs. Tyson Tomko, WWE Unforgiven '04. You can just close the thread now. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
iliketurtles 0 Report post Posted December 24, 2004 HBK/HHH would of been better with about 15 minutes of stalling cut out of it. Brock vs. Goldberg was the most dissapointing match of the year. I really can't pick the worst because a lot has sucked. However, I've yet to see Richards/Tomko and everyone talks about that one. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lil' Bitch 0 Report post Posted December 24, 2004 Undertaker vs Heidenreich Survivor Series Without a shadow of a doubt. It got all that hype, we all knew that match was going to suck ass and it did. I can't believe they got Taker to go through with it especially on a PPV and the worst part they didn't add a stipulation to try to cover it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vyce 0 Report post Posted December 24, 2004 Booker/JBL Survivor Series comes to my mind. Eddie/Lesnar was the MOTY, btw. Booker / JBL SS is nowhere NEAR the worst match of the year. Especially given the number of Taker matches we've had to suffer through this year. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RavishingRickRudo 0 Report post Posted December 24, 2004 Dude, that match was god-awful. It had absolutely no point. It was a lot of shitty spots and that's it, nothing strung it together. Booker mailed it in and justified all his critics, and JBL did nothing of note. It was horrible on every single level. I remember watching it and thinking to myself "This is a really bad match". That happens often, but this was such a profound sense of utter disgust that I don't even have with womens matches (which are all horrible, btw.) Taker/Heidenreich at least had good punches and would have been passable if it didn't go so damn long. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BorneAgain 0 Report post Posted December 24, 2004 I can think of at least four matches off hand that were worse than Booker/JBL JBL vs Taker at Summerslam (so great the fans did the wave to show their appreciation) Tomko vs Stevie at Unforgiven (the less said the better) Cena vs Jesus at Armageddon (Boring squash) Bob Holly vs Mordecai at the GAB (just plain bad) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Australian Pride 0 Report post Posted December 24, 2004 I'll jump on the Richards/Tomko bandwagon as the worst this year. However, since that was unadvertised I've gotta say the biggest disappointment for me as Taker/Kane at WM20, which I thought absolutely sucked. And the ending was horrible, especially when you remember back to WM14 and the 3 tombstones it took to put Kane down. And I'm with RRR on the match of the year, Eddie/Lesnar all the way. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
UseTheSledgehammerUh 0 Report post Posted December 24, 2004 If a guy robs you, its unadvertised. If your girlfriend mistakenly gets pregnant, its unadvertised. When Tomko faced Richards on PPV, it was unadvertised. My point being: IT STILL FUCKING SUCKS. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
claydude14 0 Report post Posted December 24, 2004 I can think of at least four matches off hand that were worse than Booker/JBL JBL vs Taker at Summerslam (so great the fans did the wave to show thier appreciation) Tomko vs Stevie at Unforgiven (the less said the better) Cena vs Jesus at Armageddon (Boring squash) Bob Holly vs Mordecai at the GAB (just plain bad) I go with JBL-Taker. It was unreal to be there live for. I wish the wave during JBL matches caught on everywhere. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RavishingRickRudo 0 Report post Posted December 24, 2004 JBL vs Taker at Summerslam (so great the fans did the wave to show thier appreciation) Oh hell no. This was a _good_ match. Stiff strikes by both guys, some neat exchanges throughout. Tomko vs Stevie at Unforgiven (the less said the better) Haven't seen it. Cena vs Jesus at Armageddon (Boring squash) Nah. It was a shitty brawl, but probably would have cleaned up if it were 1995 . Booker/JBL was incompetent wrestling, which is worse than shitty brawling. Bob Holly vs Mordecai at the GAB (just plain bad) Didn't see it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BorneAgain 0 Report post Posted December 24, 2004 JBL vs Taker at Summerslam (so great the fans did the wave to show thier appreciation) Oh hell no. This was a _good_ match. Stiff strikes by both guys, some neat exchanges throughout. Tomko vs Stevie at Unforgiven (the less said the better) Haven't seen it. Cena vs Jesus at Armageddon (Boring squash) Nah. It was a shitty brawl, but probably would have cleaned up if it were 1995 . Booker/JBL was incompetent wrestling, which is worse than shitty brawling. Bob Holly vs Mordecai at the GAB (just plain bad) Didn't see it. Alright, I'll give you Jesus/Cena as at least it made Cena look good and reluctantly JBL/Taker since I haven't seen it since it first aired, but I can assure that watching Tomko/Richards is easily one of the most painful experiences you'll have. The fact that poor Stevie is in bra and panties just makes you feel pity in addition to disgust. As for Holly/Mordecai, well the whole Great Amercian Bash (with the exception of the 3 title bouts) is a guidebook in shit matches so I guess you'll have to see it yourself. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RavishingRickRudo 0 Report post Posted December 24, 2004 I think Booker/JBL is on a different level of bad, though. Stevie/Tomko sounds like train-wreck bad, where you can easily see how bad it is. They would be incapable of putting on a good match together, so there really isn't the disappointment there to go along with the bad qualities. The Survivor Series match is disguisingly bad. If you actually pay attention to it, it is horrible. It is devoid of content. It's two guys going through the motions, doing random moves to each other. The only person who showed energy in that match was Josh Mathews. It was almost like watching Armageddon; there's a certain point during that movie when you realize the formula, and you see it repeating over and over and over again. Affleck gets in trouble. Someone closes their eyes in a dramatic close up. Random shots that have nothing to do with anything. Something bad happens every 10 minutes. Etc. Instead here it was like "Wow, there is nothing that holds this match together." The difference is, Armageddon actually had an emotional core to it and managed to hold interest, while Booker/JBL was completely hollow. Booker/JBL could have had a better match if: 1)They were motivated 2)The match had structure 3)The match had a story 4)The match had psychology I imagine the excuse for Stevie/Tomko would be: 1)If they didn't have such a silly pretense 2)They were better wrestlers Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BorneAgain 0 Report post Posted December 24, 2004 I think Booker/JBL is on a different level of bad, though. Stevie/Tomko sounds like train-wreck bad, where you can easily see how bad it is. They would be incapable of putting on a good match together, so there really isn't the disappointment there to go along with the bad qualities. The Survivor Series match is disguisingly bad. If you actually pay attention to it, it is horrible. It is devoid of content. It's two guys going through the motions, doing random moves to each other. The only person who showed energy in that match was Josh Mathews. It was almost like watching Armageddon; there's a certain point during that movie when you realize the formula, and you see it repeating over and over and over again. Affleck gets in trouble. Someone closes their eyes in a dramatic close up. Random shots that have nothing to do with anything. Something bad happens every 10 minutes. Etc. Instead here it was like "Wow, there is nothing that holds this match together." The difference is, Armageddon actually had an emotional core to it and managed to hold interest, while Booker/JBL was completely hollow. Booker/JBL could have had a better match if: 1)They were motivated 2)The match had structure 3)The match had a story 4)The match had psychology I imagine the excuse for Stevie/Tomko would be: 1)If they didn't have such a silly pretense 2)They were better wrestlers Well at least you seem to believe that the two could have put on a good match had they cared, which I agree with more than to say they're two bad workers. You raise some interesting points and I'll definitely watch the match again (Truth be told I didn't really focus on in the first time, largely because I knew JBl was going to win and was dissapointed before it even started) to look for the things you said. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
King Cucaracha 0 Report post Posted December 24, 2004 Seems RRR beat me to it, but Booker/JBL probably gets my vote. Fact is, JBL has had okay to decent to good matches this year against the right opponents. Eddie, Angle and Taker (yeah, I liked the SummerSlam match too.) But Booker wasn't the right guy. All the people who continue to say Booker should be champion and not JBL should re-watch the match and see how much Booker phones it in. HE should be champ? Please, no. And obviously, JBL needs someone to control a match for him. When he's got someone to guide him through a match (I'm not a fan of the word 'carry') like a Taker, or an Angle or an Eddie, then JBL is perfectly watchable. Obviously, Booker isn't that man. Other than that, you of course have Stevie/Tomko. Holly/Mordecai. Kenzo/Billy. And anything involving Chavo Snr. and Jacquie. And for pure disappointment factor, Eddie/Chavo at the Rumble (should have been EONS better) and Angle's Team v. Eddie's Team at Survivor Series. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
UseTheSledgehammerUh 0 Report post Posted December 24, 2004 What is worse? "Hey guys, WWE is on! Check it out!" :::potential new fans sit down:: Stevie/Tomko 1) Wow, that was a pretty pathetic match. Why was he in bra and panties? They both SUCK! (It was 5-6 minutes...) or 2) WHO THE FUCK IS JBL? Why is he the champion? THIS is the big title match? :::apply to any title match::: Keep Time-Constraints and Dissapointment in mind...I may change my pick. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
zyn081 0 Report post Posted December 24, 2004 I actually liked Lesnar-Holly. That submission hold looked sick. Shame Holly didnt get more offense in. And the angle made sense too. Tomko-Richards was not advertised, so I dont even consider it. Orton-HHH at Unforgiven should have had Orton going over and not been the cluster **** it ended up being. Worst match of the year has got to the UT-Dudleys at GAB. I mean, come on, LIVE FREE OR DIE, DO THE RIGHT THING, CONCRETE CRYPT MATCH! What in the blue hell is that! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Aero 0 Report post Posted December 24, 2004 And for pure disappointment factor, Eddie/Chavo at the Rumble (should have been EONS better) I'd definitely agree with this. It's about 5 minutes of stalling (Chavo slaps Eddie a few times... Eddie is shocked each time), and then about 8 minutes in, Eddie hits his triple suplex, and anti-climatically hits the Frog Splash. Then, Eddie beats him down for what seems like forever, post-match. Very disappointing, especially considering that they had a decent match the night after No Way Out. I wasn't expecting a classic, but at least something decent since this was being built for months. By the way, Eddie-Brock is also my MOTY, followed by the Rumble, and then the WM 3-Way. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
UseTheSledgehammerUh 0 Report post Posted December 24, 2004 The WM 20 match is about **** in hindsight. I think lots of people overrate it due to the sheer mark-out for Benoit winning the title. Most of it is SLOWWWWWWW, SLOWWWW punching punching punching SLOWWWWWWW setup on the tables and then all the great stuff at the end. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
what 0 Report post Posted December 24, 2004 2) WHO THE FUCK IS JBL? Why is he the champion? THIS is the big title match? I think a potential new viewer would accept JBL as champion over Benoit seeing as JBL is bigger and is much better on the mic. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dark Age 0 Report post Posted December 24, 2004 But... Benoit isn't the champion. Stop trolling, or flame baiting or whatever the Hell it is. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Mandarin 0 Report post Posted December 24, 2004 Seeing that I watched about five television shows and one PPV from SmackDown (and hated almost all of it), I can't say what their worst matches were. For Raw, it would probably be Stevie Richards/Tomko from Unforgiven and just about everything from Taboo Tuesday. Honorable mentions to all tag team title matches. The worst long/"important" matches of the year are probably: -Goldberg/Lesnar from Wrestlemania -Kane/Edge from Backlash -Triple H/HBK from Bad Blood -Randy Orton/Edge from Vengeance *BEST BET* -Orton/Kane from Raw (that eventually went into a cage) -Maven/HHH from Raw Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hunter's Torn Quad 0 Report post Posted December 24, 2004 From a reality living up to the hype standpoint, HBK v Hunter from BB wins easily. From a booking standpoint, Maven v Hunter wins easily. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bob_barron 0 Report post Posted December 24, 2004 I feel really stupid for really liking Booker v. JBL now. I guess I'm too biased towards Book Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AndrewTS 0 Report post Posted December 24, 2004 "Well it seems pretty much agreed upon that the triple threat from Wrestlemania is MOTY for 2004" Was this year really that poor for matches? It didn't suck, but come on... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cabbageboy 0 Report post Posted December 24, 2004 I honestly can't think of anything that stands out as total crap. Saying a Holly or Bradshaw match is bad is like saying the sun rises, so I don't even count those guys. Did you expect something good?? Ditto UT against a clod like Heidenreich or a stupid gimmick match vs. Duds...did you expect quality?? UT vs. Heidenreich is hardly the worst match of the year, hell if anything I was relieved that it wasn't worse. Having seen Big Bad John a little down here in OVW I can safely say he's capable of MUCH worse. So kudos for UT for carrying the hack. I saw Cena and Jesus on that SMDN, and it wasn't bad really. Just Cena beating his ass and ending that feud, at least it made the crowd happy. Brock/GB was actually one of the most memorable matches of the year for all the wrong reasons. I'll go with Stevie vs. Tomko. That was the closest thing to making me think WTF? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest LooneyTune Report post Posted December 24, 2004 Steven Richards vs. Tyson Tomko hands down. Not even the worst Undertaker match comes close to this pile of monkey feces. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
King Cucaracha 0 Report post Posted December 24, 2004 Oh, I almost forgot Edge vs. Kane. That was HORRIBLE. I don't remember Edge/Orton being all that bad. Certainly not worst match of the year. Maven/HHH has been wiped from my memory, as it should be from everyone's. Instantly forgettable but again, not the worst match of the year. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites