Promoter 0 Report post Posted January 7, 2005 The ECW thread made me wonder if a wcw dvd would do anything worthwhile on the store shelves? I mean it would be funny as hell if the dvd sold like hotcakes. If they really put on some of wcw's best stuff and some of wcw's worse stuff as easter eggs would it sell? I think we will never find out because Vince can't take the chance that if this thing sold like crazy all the mocking and degrading of wcw he might have to swallow for at least a little time. I bet it would sell better than some of these generic ppv dvd products. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SuperJerk 0 Report post Posted January 7, 2005 I wouldn't imagine it'd be too different than the Monday Night Wars DVD. WCW was done to death as a topic on "Confidential" also, to a point where if you took the "Best of Confidential" and the "Monday Night Wars" together you've essentially already got a "Rise and Fall of WCW" DVD. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest LooneyTune Report post Posted January 7, 2005 WWE: WCW's death is all Bret Harts fault! (Vince has shifty eyes and hands sacks of money to Kevin Nash) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zack Malibu 0 Report post Posted January 7, 2005 The original title of Monday Night War was The Rise and Fall of WCW. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest bigm350 Report post Posted January 7, 2005 The original title of Monday Night War was The Rise and Fall of WCW. The topic of WCW has been done to death, and its mostly revisionist garbage from the WWE machine. Nothing I would stake accuracy on. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Promoter 0 Report post Posted January 7, 2005 No. no. no. I'm saying if they really did it the same way they did the ecw dvd. Just something quick off my head is the nWo. That dvd they did was not even close to what the real entertaining nWo was about. Stuff like Piper showing up at Halloween Havoc and also the beatdown of Piper on a nitro. Stuff like Ric Flair's title win against Vader in 1993 and Hogan/Flair's steel cage match. That is really what I was talking about. I know it's highly unlikely they would do this because some of that stuff is actually more entertaining than some of the crap they are doing now. WCW especially from May 1996 til about the night Goldberg won the title would give today's wwe product a run for its money in the stores and I'm sure Vince knows this. I'm saying it's very possible that Vince cannot afford to do this type of dvd because it will be a big threat. If they really did things out of respect like the ecw dvd and included all the stuff in the 80's it might show up today's product. I'm talking more hypothetical here and not what they would actually do because yes it would be revisionist garbage to make the wwe look like it was always #1 and superior in every aspect (which it clearly wasn't)since the beginning of the war that dates back to the 80's. WCW did have its moments and upsides that the wwe didn't have. I mean all it takes to see this is the dwindling audience ever since wcw folded. I mean if Ric Flair and ECW's dvd did so well, I'm pretty sure Vince would milk some serious coin with some real quality and vintage wcw stuff. Stuff with the Road Warriors, Sting, 4 Horsemen, and the Japanese footage is something different which is why I think those dvd packages of ecw and Flair did so well. Obviously, this would be a conflict of interest for the company which may expose the current stuff even more and that wcw maybe wasn't all that bad. Nostalgic footage is a hell of draw at its finest. WCW really didn't start getting unbearable until about mid-late 99 imo. Hell, even when Russo initially jumped there was some okay stuff such as the Establishment vs. The Youngbloods or whatever the hell they were called. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
razazteca 0 Report post Posted January 7, 2005 So would the Rise of WCW be the early 90's with the disputed world title confusion between Flair and the IWGP champ and the whole mess with the International Heavyweight Title? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Salacious Crumb Report post Posted January 7, 2005 No, because the WWF doesn't have the first clue to what WCW fans want or what made WCW successful before it fell apart. Plus I'd expect gaping holes in the whole thing like no mentions of Vader or Sting like they stupidly do on every WCW thing they try. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Promoter 0 Report post Posted January 7, 2005 So would the Rise of WCW be the early 90's with the disputed world title confusion between Flair and the IWGP champ and the whole mess with the International Heavyweight Title? Yes, that would be included. Hell, it would really start with Ric Flair jumping to the wwf after being fired from wcw. There is a nice story to tell here as it could be said that Flair helped bring some new blood to Vince in 1991 when he really needed it. Having Flair as champ in 1992 also helped ease some media attacks that he only promoted steroid freaks. The wwf at the time was not the juggernaut it was during the 80's and when a couple of years followed with Hogan leaving and the steroid stuff/sex scandal the wwf was in major problems. The truth is that wcw was gaining on Vince long before 1996 and it could be argued that Vince did stuff like Monday Night Raw to combat with Saturday Night on TBS because he lost the deal with NBC to broadcast SNME. Fox did not want anything to do with it either. WM X came and passed and did not get the mainstream press that Hogan/Flair from Bash at the Beach got(George Michael Sports Machine for example). That Vince Mcmahon tried to sabotage Hogan in his print media and created "New Generation" campaign to spite Hogan and curb wcw's signing although he just had Piper co-main eventing at KOR '93 the month before. Of course, all this stuff is hidden under revisionist history. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tominator89 0 Report post Posted January 7, 2005 Disagree with me all you like, but there's no practical reason why WCW shouldn't currently exist. So they had a hard time getting a TV deal, couldn't get the big names to void their contracts, etc...Big deal! They rushed the whole thing FAR too quickly. Vince may have a big ego, but this was a guaranteed "money in the bank" storyline. Obviously, WCW was a tainted name (largely in part to WWE telling their fans that WCW sucked), but they should have waited a few months to get some of that bad taste out of everyone's mouth. Then, once they were more prepared, they could start rebuilding the name with video packages highlighting the postives of WCW, get Flair out there giving a speech, etc. It could have worked, and it SHOULD have. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest INXS Report post Posted January 7, 2005 It would be an amazing DVD. WCW wasn't just comprised of the Russo era shit; some great angles and matches prior to all that. I don't think that the timing is right at the moment to put a WCW DVD out but should they do it it owuld blow the ECW one out of the water. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Promoter 0 Report post Posted January 7, 2005 Oh, I agree that if they wanted it to work they could have. I mean, look how they force other things down people's throat. We know Vince just doesn't want to bring it back as he said so in a press conference before, but was willing to bring back ecw. Â I remember all the rumours about how they would have brought wcw back, but they kept on pushing the return date back and back. Some of those rumours could have been true with some info that has been made public. I don't know how true, but from what I gathered the divorce storyline between Vince and Linda Mcmahon was suppose to be the basis for giving Shane Mcmahon half the broadcast rights to wcw where raw and sunday night heat would go to wcw. The idea was lightly sketched all the way back to WM 17 during the Vince/Shane family feud. Big Show did say in February of that year in an interview that Vince had something big planned that would shock the world and I gather the purchase of wcw was it. The plan was for the launch to happen after SummerSlam in September of that year, but they had rushed the angle up to KOR and when the wcw raw stuff bombed with Booker T and Bagwell Vince changed his mind to make it only storyline. Then when you take into account that they spoke to people like Goldberg, Bischoff, and Ric Flair that summer and it seems true. As always they changed plans every minute and we got the disaster. I even think they planned on bringing back Hogan and company all along, but Vince just wanted to kill the wcw name regardless of the wcw raw crap. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jester 0 Report post Posted January 8, 2005 If a Rise and Fall of WCW DVD came out today, it would probably be marginally more accurate than the Monday Night wars one, since Nash and Hogan are no longer under contract. Â It would still be full of WWE bullshit though. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest The Shadow Behind You Report post Posted January 8, 2005 I think a "Best of WCW" dvd would do rather well and perhaps better then the ECW DVD.  Simply because it was a larger fanbase and because the quality was Superbly beyond anything ECW ever provided.  No feature  Just two disc of the "best" matches of WCW (and one really important match). Maybe some background story footage or intros to explain the match.  A realistic DVD would be 2 Discs (10 on each).  Disc One 1991-1995  WCW Tag Team Title Match Luger and Sting Vs Steiner Brothers 5.19.91  WCW Lightweight Title Match Jushin Liger Vs Brian Pillman 2.29.92  War Games Sting's Squadron Vs Dangerous Alliance 5.17.1992  WCW United States Title Match 30 Minute Iron Man Challenge Rick Rude Vs Ricky Steamboat 6.20.92  NWA&WCW World Tag Team Title Match Ricky Steamboat and Shane Douglas Vs Barry Windham and Dustin Rhodes 11.18.92  King of Cable Tournament Final Vader Vs Sting 12.28.92  Texas Death Match Vader Vs Cactus Jack 10.24.93  WCW Title Match/Retirement Match Vader Vs Ric Flair 12.27.93  Broadstreet Bully Match Cactus Jack and Kevin Sullivan Vs Nasty Boys 5.22.94  Ric Flair Vs Arn Anderson 9.17.95  Disc Two  Cruiserweight Title Match Dean Melenko Vs Rey Mysterio Jr 6.16.96   Chris Jericho Vs Chris Benoit 9.15.96  Hollywood Hogan Vs Sting 12.27.97  Raven Vs Chris Benoit 1.10.98  Goldberg Vs Hollywood Hogan 7.6.98  Goldberg Vs Diamond Dallas Page 10.25.98  WCW Tag Title Match Chris Benoit and Dean Melenko Vs Saturn and Raven 5.11.99  Kidman Vs Mysterio Nitro '99 (date unknown)  WCW Title Match Booker T Vs Jeff Jarrett 7.9.00  Ric Flair Vs Sting 3. ?. 01 (final nitro) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
reign 0 Report post Posted January 8, 2005 Man I can't wait for "The Rise and Fall of WWF" DVD to come out..... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Elbarto997 0 Report post Posted January 8, 2005 What, is TNA going to buy the whole WWF library from the WWE??? Â Or are we going to see Vince McMahon talk about how the World Wildlife Fund "raided" all of the WWF's talent? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest The Shadow Behind You Report post Posted January 8, 2005 while we're at it...Make a "Rise and Fall of AWA" "Rise and Fall of SMW" and "Rise and Fall of UWF" dvd as well. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Mr. Wrestling Report post Posted January 8, 2005 while we're at it...Make a "Rise and Fall of AWA" "Rise and Fall of SMW" and "Rise and Fall of UWF" dvd as well. The Rise and Fall of the AWA wouldn't be THAT bad of an idea considering how the AWA was first one to get a major TV deal. Sold out all over the midwest in the 60s and 70s but fell apart when Verne Gagne refused to move with the times. Â Â McMahon doesn't own the footage to Mid-South/UWF. Oddly enough, Watts didn't sell the video library to Crockett when they merged. Bill Watts' ex-wife owns Mid-South footage after a divorce settlement. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mole 0 Report post Posted January 8, 2005 What, is TNA going to buy the whole WWF library from the WWE??? Or are we going to see Vince McMahon talk about how the World Wildlife Fund "raided" all of the WWF's talent? Yeah... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
razazteca 0 Report post Posted January 8, 2005 Man I can't wait for "The Rise and Fall of WWF" DVD to come out..... Rise - Hogan Fall - Stephanie and the panda lovers Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest LooneyTune Report post Posted January 8, 2005 UWF had a rise? Or am I thinking of just the one that had a god awful PPV in 1991. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Slickster 0 Report post Posted January 8, 2005 I think a "Best of WCW" dvd would do rather well and perhaps better then the ECW DVD. Simply because it was a larger fanbase and because the quality was Superbly beyond anything ECW ever provided.  No feature  Just two disc of the "best" matches of WCW (and one really important match). Maybe some background story footage or intros to explain the match.  A realistic DVD would be 2 Discs (10 on each).  Disc One 1991-1995  ght Title Match Jushin Liger Vs Brian Pillman 2.29.92  War Games Sting's Squadron Vs Dangerous Alliance 5.17.1992 ..... I might add the 1995 World War 3 match to Disc One to further show who was on WCW's roster at the time. Hell of a match, too.  I think that you'd need the Outsider segments from May-July 96 and the BatB tag match as well.  I might drop the Jericho-Benoit match from FBrawl 96 and sub in the WarGames for the Sting storyline.  Also, can't forget the nWo dismantling the Horsemen at FBrawl 97.  Also, maybe the 4-way ME of Spring Stampede '99. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Slickster 0 Report post Posted January 8, 2005 UWF had a rise? Or am I thinking of just the one that had a god awful PPV in 1991. Try Bill Watts' UWF of 1986-88 for some Mid-South goodness. Dr. Death, Big Bubba Rogers, Jim Duggan....much hosstacular brawling goodness. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
UseTheSledgehammerUh 0 Report post Posted January 8, 2005 Man 1992 was a great year for WCW. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JustJoe2k5 0 Report post Posted January 8, 2005 I say add some cruiserweight matches from the last few months WCW was in business, like one of the Chavo Guerrero Jr./Shane Helms matches and the Billy Kidman and Rey Mysterio Jr. vs. Elix Skipper and Kid Romeo finals for the Cruiserweight Tag Team titles. Maybe show something about the Natural Born Thrillers and Magnificent Seven, two big stables towards the end of the company. WCW really seemed to be getting their act together in early '01,after Vince Russo pulled all of his bullshit in '00, and the next thing you know Vince McMahon kills the company. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
