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[The Czech Republic 0]

Maybe my memories of SNL Adam Sandler are clouded by his bad movies. Chris Farley was good when he wasn't just being loud, clumsy, and fat, because that doesn't take talent.

[Guest Failed Mascot]

That sketch with them and David Spade where they were all mall chicks was always good.

[TheBigSwigg 0]

Huh? Her and Amy are easily the most entertaining Weekend Update version at least since Norm MacDonald, and maybe further back than that.

 

Huh? Tina and Amy are so bad that I had to write an editorial to USA Today about how bad they suck.

Hey Bob, did that get printed? Because I seem to remember reading something like that in USA Today recently.

[Jingus 0]

I think that SNL is actually better now than it has been in years. It doesn't help that I absolutely hated Adam Sandler, Jimmy Fallon, Chris Kattan, Colin Quinn, Tim Meadows, and most of the other late-90's "stars" on that show, I suppose.

[Guest The Winter Of My Discontent]

People who hate Chris Farley are the same faggots who attempt to discredit Pauly Shore's cinematic input. And quite frankly, I have no time for you fucks.

 

I'm gonna rent Pauly Shore is Dead tonight, too.

[Guest Failed Mascot]

ever notice Pauly Shore worked alongside incredibly hot women but always had a nerdy male to be the supporting actor?

[Guest The Winter Of My Discontent]

ever notice Pauly Shore worked alongside incredibly hot women but always had a nerdy male to be the supporting actor?

no.

[Nighthawk 0]

Chris Farley got drunk and called David Spade a no talent hack.

[Guest The Winter Of My Discontent]

Chris Farley got drunk and called David Spade a no talent hack.

your posts are becoming increasingly more pointless....

[Nighthawk 0]

I proved the Bible. What have you done?

[Red Hot Thumbtack In The Eye 0]

Ok, now it's time for Banky to become IDrinkRat'sMilk

[Guest The Winter Of My Discontent]

I proved the Bible. What have you done?

Saved the board.

[Nighthawk 0]

[bob_barron 0]

Oh, and Dennis Miller is the single most overrated cast member in SNL history IMHO.

 

Absolutely not. Miller is underrated I think- he really doesn't get enough credit for helping to revitalise WU after the horrible non-Lorne years where it was called Saturday Night News and made Fey/Poehler not look horrible. Dana and Phil get tons of credit for the mid-late 80s success Dennis gets nothing. People love Chevy, Norm, FF and point/counterpoint but Dennis deserves tons of credit. He was at the desk for 6 years, longer then anyone else, and managed to always be funny and revive Weekend Update.

 

Calling him overrated is kind of a joke.

 

Adam Sandler and Chris Farley? Man they helped carry the cast at one point. You need to go to Hardcore and start a thread called "Oh man, I'm on drugs right now" cause you're smoking something.

 

Farley and Sandler never carried the cast. Well unless you count 94-95, which is known as being one of SNL's worst years ever, almost got the show cancelled and caused a complete overhaul of the cast.

 

Farley and Sandler hit their peak in terms of prominence probably around 93-94 but Phil was still the glue of the show and him and Myers were still the main players.

 

When Farley and Sandler were handed the ball, the show completely collapsed.

 

 

I think that SNL is actually better now than it has been in years. It doesn't help that I absolutely hated Adam Sandler, Jimmy Fallon, Chris Kattan, Colin Quinn, Tim Meadows, and most of the other late-90's "stars" on that show, I suppose.

 

I'm one of the biggest SNL cheerleaders out there but to say the show right now is better then it was in the late 90s is really stretching it.

 

First of all Sandler left in 95 so he was never a late 90s star.

 

I already went over Jimmy's numerous comedic talents and the fact that him cracking up was completely overblown.

 

Kattan sucks so moving on.

 

Colin Quinn gets a really bad rap because he was put in this horribly uneviable postion of replacing Norm and got off to a really bad start. He improved in his second season and ended up becoming a pretty good Update anchor who never could get over the position he was in. Plus considering everyone hated him- I wouldn't call him a "star."

 

Tim Meadows is the most underrated castmember in SNL history and easily one of my 5 favourites of all time. The guy had so much range, could do anything and produced classic characters like Lionel Osbourne and the Ladies Man while also delivering great impressions like OJ Simpson, Ike Turner and Michael Jackson. Tim Meadows also never gets enough credit and I'm glad to see he finally got some good critical notices for Mean Girls.

 

And I hope no one liked Update last night- Holy Lord that was horrible.

[Jingus 0]

Well, comedy is a really subjective artform, but I don't think that either Miller or Meadows have ever gotten me to laugh once in my entire life.

[bob_barron 0]

Have you seen Perspectives from the Rob Lowe show? Probably the greatest forgotten skit in history and Meadows' best work. I'd give it ***** easily

[The Metal Maniac 0]

Meanwhile, nobody has offered any evidence of any kind that she can't play drums.

 

I consider the fact that she evidently never played any other song besides this one, doesn't claim to be a drummer herself, (as far as I know) and didn't do the song very well (I would think that, if she was a drummer, she could at least handle this song) to be evidence of this fact. Maybe not concrete evidence, but evidence enough that I'm not going to just assume she's a drummer, based on a single song. If there was more evidence I'd consider it, but as it stands; hell no.

 

Further, I think the logic is kinda silly; if you saw me take a back bump, would you assume I was a pro wrestler, based soley on the fact that no one has proved to you that I'm not?

[Jingus 0]

I consider the fact that she evidently never played any other song besides this one,

No other song that we know of, anyway. And furthermore, even if she were a world-class drummer, we'd probably never know it: people buy tickets to hear the lead singer SING, not sit down and play drums while someone else does their primary job.

 

and didn't do the song very well (I would think that, if she was a drummer, she could at least handle this song)

 

Why do you keep harping on the "she played the drums badly in that one song", when no such thing was ever said? The only report on the quality of her drumming was Bob saying this:

 

I'm serious- at the end she played the drums to the song 'Song #2' by Blur. She wasn't great but held her own.

 

Which hardly sounds like a stinging repremand on her abilities.

 

Further, I think the logic is kinda silly; if you saw me take a back bump, would you assume I was a pro wrestler, based soley on the fact that no one has proved to you that I'm not?

 

Based on one bump? No. But one bump is more like hitting the drums just once. To make this metaphor work, it'd have to go more like this: "Avril wrestled Wrestler#1. The match was really simplistic, Avril wasn't great, but she held her own."

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dennis Miller still sucks.

[bob_barron 0]

Dennis Miller still sucks.

 

Without Dennis Miller- WU wouldn't be as important as it is today and the world would never have heard of Norm Macdonald.

 

Miller was the one who discovered Norm and helped him get on SNL. Miller's a very important part of SNL history and yet he is overlooked which is quite sad.

 

And about Avril being a drummer- who cares?

 

She does play the piano and the guitar so she is a musician. And she has written about 15 songs

[Jingus 0]

Without Dennis Miller- WU wouldn't be as important as it is today and the world would never have heard of Norm Macdonald.

 

Miller was the one who discovered Norm and helped him get on SNL. Miller's a very important part of SNL history and yet he is overlooked which is quite sad.

Good for him. I'd still rather watch Fey/Poehler than either one of them.

 

And about Avril being a drummer- who cares?

 

She does play the piano and the guitar so she is a musician. And she has written about 15 songs

 

I don't care about Avril's drumming abilities either, I was just trying to prove a logical point.

[bob_barron 0]

Jingus-

 

Did you watch WU on Saturday? I really hope you didn't like that. I know comedy is subjective etc but there are some opinions I have trouble accepting. And Fey/Poehler being > then any other WU anchor not named Charles Rocket or Gail Mattitus is one of them. And this is coming from someone who was once a HUGE Tina fan and used to love Amy too. The fact that Tina is ripping off the Daily Show is quite sad.

 

The drumming thing wasn't directed at you- more at Metal Maniac. We've established she can play instruments and write songs so I think she counts as a musician.

[The Metal Maniac 0]

Why do you keep harping on the "she played the drums badly in that one song", when no such thing was ever said?

 

Because Barron said it, and he's obviously biased. Not a knock on Barron really, everyone is biased about some things: but the point is, if Avril was a drummer in a fair sense of the word (someone who plays drums often and makes serious effort to improve and whatnot) then she surely would have been able to play Song 2 well enough to get a better response then "not great" and "I'm not saying she was very good" from a fan of hers. That, to me, suggests that she was probably worse then Barron was letting on.

 

About Avril being the singer; strong point, especially since it underlines the fact that her job is doing something else. Avril sings, plays guitar and piano, and that is her primary responsibility. It is true that she apparantly is capable of playing at least one song on drums; however, she evidently only does so for fun, probably screwing around with the kit while in studio and whatever.

 

And Barron made an even better point: This argument is really kinda stupid.

 

Therefore, I will say that Avril is a musician who is capable of playing drums to some extent. However, since her primary job is to do other things, and she does not appear to put much effort towards her drumming, I will not call her a drummer. Why? Because a drummer is someone who drums a lot, drums as their primary function in whatever band they happen to play in, and puts serious effort towards improving as a drummer.

 

That sound good?

[bob_barron 0]

Therefore, I will say that Avril is a musician who is capable of playing drums to some extent. However, since her primary job is to do other things, and she does not appear to put much effort towards her drumming, I will not call her a drummer. Why? Because a drummer is someone who drums a lot, drums as their primary function in whatever band they happen to play in, and puts serious effort towards improving as a drummer.

 

I'd rather argue over the merits of logically what makes someone a drummer then wrapping it up like that

[The Metal Maniac 0]

My viewpoint on the matter has been stated numerous times.

 

a drummer is someone who drums a lot, drums as their primary function in whatever band they happen to play in, and puts serious effort towards improving as a drummer.

[Guest The Winter Of My Discontent]

The shit Barron spews about SNL is silly. How can he tell ANYONE what we think is funny? Its very subjective. There's some people, like Norm McDonald, who the masses think sucks. You saying he is funny doesn't mean he actually is. Adam Sandler and Farley were terrific on SNL. Some fruit who gives * ratings to each skit is not going to tell me or anyone differently.

[bob_barron 0]

How can he tell ANYONE what we think is funny? Its very subjective.

 

Comedy is subjective but when people say Farley and Sandler carried the show- that's inaccurate. Since they didn't. Unless you want to count 94-95 which is generally regarded as one of SNL's worst years by everyone and is the standard bearer for SNL crap. That's a fact. Or that Dennis Miller is overrated. If the guy never gets any credit for SNL- then he's not overrated.

 

I know a lot of people don't like Jimmy and I've defended him constantly? Are they wrong? No but I'm giving them my stance and explaining why I and a lot of SNL fans found Jimmy to be a good guy. Saying he laughs in every skit is inaccurate and just generalising.

 

There's some people, like Norm McDonald, who the masses think sucks.

 

It's Macdonald first of all. Not hard to remember the 'a'.

 

I wouldn't say the masses think Norm sucks. He was very popular on the show and his firing produced massive outrage from both fans and critics to the point that Colin Quinn was never able to establish himself as anchor because of it.

 

His show 'Norm' was a top 20-top 30 show its first year and did pretty good ratings its second year despite a poor timeslot and an incompatible timeslot. It bombed in year 3- but that was because ABC was dumb enough to run it on Fridays. I knew that was it for Norm then.

 

Adam Sandler and Farley were terrific on SNL. Some fruit who gives * ratings to each skit is not going to tell me or anyone differently.

 

Wow calling me a fruit- as usual I'm wrong and Banky's right.

 

I never said Sandler and Farley weren't terrific on SNL. But did they carry the show? No. They never did- except for the year where SNL died a slow and very painful death.

 

Sandler and Farley were both very funny on SNL and deserve lots of credit for carving out nice careers for themselves post SNL. Are they all time greats? I don't think so. Did they ever carry the show? I'm going to say no.

[Giuseppe Zangara 0]

Adam Sandler and Farley were terrific on SNL.

*snort*

[Guest The Winter Of My Discontent]

Adam Sandler and Farley were terrific on SNL.

*snort*

We've already established your enlightened sense of humor.

[Giuseppe Zangara 0]

We can talk about Orgazmo, if you want.

[Guest The Winter Of My Discontent]

How can he tell ANYONE what we think is funny? Its very subjective.

 

Comedy is subjective but when people say Farley and Sandler carried the show- that's inaccurate.

But how can you say that? Its THEIR opinion if they watched the show for them. Some poeple may have seen it as that way. I did. I always thought Mike Myers sucked on SNL, and watched it for Sandler, Farley, and Hartman. I didn't know it almost went off the air, in fact, I thought most people thought that was one of the best casts ever. I do.