The NFL Offseason/Pre-Draft Thread

[Guest Failed Mascot]

I'll just weep.

[Gert T 0]

The Cinci media really fucked over Corey Dillon. I mean at one point his linemen refused to block for him because he called them out in a huddle. Wouldn't you be disgruntled? The media didn't care about that though and they painted Dillon as the bad guy.

 

Not to mention the Pats are supposedly $3.5mill under the cap. How does he fit?

No, Corey got screwed because he ran his mouth and Marvin Lewis called him out and took out the game tape in front of Corey and the O-Line.

[Your Paragon of Virtue 0]

The Cinci media really fucked over Corey Dillon. I mean at one point his linemen refused to block for him because he called them out in a huddle. Wouldn't you be disgruntled? The media didn't care about that though and they painted Dillon as the bad guy.

 

Not to mention the Pats are supposedly $3.5mill under the cap. How does he fit?

No, Corey got screwed because he ran his mouth and Marvin Lewis called him out and took out the game tape in front of Corey and the O-Line.

Shhh, Corey Dillon and the Patriots can do no wrong. Bill Belicheck is the greatest coach in the HISTORY OF THE LEAGUE!~

 

Well, that last part has a chance of coming true, depending on how they do this season after all the hits they've taken on their staff and personnel.

[Crimson Platypus 0]

Clare Farnsworth of the Post-Intelligencer told KJR-AM 950 that the Seahawks and Dolphins are currently in negotiations to trade Shaun Alexander for free-agent CB Patrick Surtain and a swap of first round draft picks. Miami would be swapping Surtain and the 2nd overall selection for Alexander and the 23rd overall selection. Since Alexander was slapped with the franchise tag on Feb. 22 and subsequently offered the one-year guaranteed tender worth $6.32 million (what Rudi Johnson just signed in Cincinnati), he will probably hold out if he's not traded.

 

[CanadianChris 0]

To Seahawks fans:

 

Welcome to Nowheresville. Population: You.

[LaParkaMarka 0]

They'll just draft Cedric Benson to replace Alexander, and run Maurice Morris in the backfield until Benson is ready. The team is more of a passing team anyways, if they ever fix the passing game they might not suck. Surtain and Marcus Trufant give them a solid group of CBs. They still need an end to replace Chike Okeafor, and a TE to replace Itula Mili.

 

Overall though, I think the trade was solid. Alexander is wildly inconsistent, and he pulled some Moss-esque antics by the end of the season ("I was stabbed in the back" etc)

[Guest Vitamin X]

Clare Farnsworth of the Post-Intelligencer told KJR-AM 950 that the Seahawks and Dolphins are currently in negotiations to trade Shaun Alexander for free-agent CB Patrick Surtain and a swap of first round draft picks. Miami would be swapping Surtain and the 2nd overall selection for Alexander and the 23rd overall selection. Since Alexander was slapped with the franchise tag on Feb. 22 and subsequently offered the one-year guaranteed tender worth $6.32 million (what Rudi Johnson just signed in Cincinnati), he will probably hold out if he's not traded.

 

With the shitty offensive line the Dolphins have, good luck in replicating Alexander's numbers from Seattle..

 

And giving up the 2nd overall selection was pretty harsh too. Not like there's any running backs that could be said are the cream of the crop, sincce noone in the draft stands out.

[mike546 0]

Post or DailyNews (forgot) say Giants and Burress could have a deal done soon.

[MrRant 0]

I'd trade Alexander too if he was going to hold out. I'll miss him as a back but Morris is decent and we can draft someone else as well either in the 1st or later rounds.

 

Defense is the weakspot moreso than the offense.

[Guest Failed Mascot]

Seahawks make-out like bandits in that deal.

[Crimson Platypus 0]

They'll just draft Cedric Benson to replace Alexander, and run Maurice Morris in the backfield until Benson is ready. The team is more of a passing team anyways, if they ever fix the passing game they might not suck. Surtain and Marcus Trufant give them a solid group of CBs. They still need an end to replace Chike Okeafor, and a TE to replace Itula Mili.

 

Overall though, I think the trade was solid. Alexander is wildly inconsistent, and he pulled some Moss-esque antics by the end of the season ("I was stabbed in the back" etc)

Wildly inconsistent? His numbers over the past 4 seasons:

 

2004 368 carries, 1736 yards, 4.7 ypc, 16 TDs

 

2003 326 carries, 1435 yards, 4.4 ypc, 14 TDs

 

2002 295 carries, 1175 yards, 4.0 ypc, 16 TDs

 

2001 309 carries, 1318 yards, 4.3 ypc, 14 TDs

 

If that's wildly inconsistent I'd hate to see what consistent is. As far as Seattle making out like bandits in the deal, I fail to see how aquiring one of the best running backs in football is such a bad thing. Cedric Benson or whomever Seattle would end up drafting might end up being great, but Alexander already is. I'll take as close to a sure thing as you can get over the crap shoot of the draft any day.

[USC Wuz Robbed! 0]

They'll just draft Cedric Benson to replace Alexander, and run Maurice Morris in the backfield until Benson is ready. The team is more of a passing team anyways, if they ever fix the passing game they might not suck. Surtain and Marcus Trufant give them a solid group of CBs. They still need an end to replace Chike Okeafor, and a TE to replace Itula Mili.

 

Overall though, I think the trade was solid. Alexander is wildly inconsistent, and he pulled some Moss-esque antics by the end of the season ("I was stabbed in the back" etc)

Wildly inconsistent? His numbers over the past 4 seasons:

 

2004 368 carries, 1736 yards, 4.7 ypc, 16 TDs

 

2003 326 carries, 1435 yards, 4.4 ypc, 14 TDs

 

2002 295 carries, 1175 yards, 4.0 ypc, 16 TDs

 

2001 309 carries, 1318 yards, 4.3 ypc, 14 TDs

 

If that's wildly inconsistent I'd hate to see what consistent is. As far as Seattle making out like bandits in the deal, I fail to see how aquiring one of the best running backs in football is such a bad thing. Cedric Benson or whomever Seattle would end up drafting might end up being great, but Alexander already is. I'll take as close to a sure thing as you can get over the crap shoot of the draft any day.

I rather have a player who WANTS to be on my team.

[CanadianChris 0]

They'll just draft Cedric Benson to replace Alexander, and run Maurice Morris in the backfield until Benson is ready. The team is more of a passing team anyways, if they ever fix the passing game they might not suck. Surtain and Marcus Trufant give them a solid group of CBs. They still need an end to replace Chike Okeafor, and a TE to replace Itula Mili.

 

Overall though, I think the trade was solid. Alexander is wildly inconsistent, and he pulled some Moss-esque antics by the end of the season ("I was stabbed in the back" etc)

Wildly inconsistent? His numbers over the past 4 seasons:

 

2004 368 carries, 1736 yards, 4.7 ypc, 16 TDs

 

2003 326 carries, 1435 yards, 4.4 ypc, 14 TDs

 

2002 295 carries, 1175 yards, 4.0 ypc, 16 TDs

 

2001 309 carries, 1318 yards, 4.3 ypc, 14 TDs

 

If that's wildly inconsistent I'd hate to see what consistent is. As far as Seattle making out like bandits in the deal, I fail to see how aquiring one of the best running backs in football is such a bad thing. Cedric Benson or whomever Seattle would end up drafting might end up being great, but Alexander already is. I'll take as close to a sure thing as you can get over the crap shoot of the draft any day.

I rather have a player who WANTS to be on my team.

Maybe. Doesn't mean you got the better end of the deal.

 

Seattle already has a bunch of receivers who can't catch; now they're taking a huge hit at running back. They'll be lucky to get to .500 this year. Of course, that's probably good enough for the first wild-card spot in the NFC anyway.

[LaParkaMarka 0]

They'll just draft Cedric Benson to replace Alexander, and run Maurice Morris in the backfield until Benson is ready. The team is more of a passing team anyways, if they ever fix the passing game they might not suck. Surtain and Marcus Trufant give them a solid group of CBs. They still need an end to replace Chike Okeafor, and a TE to replace Itula Mili.

 

Overall though, I think the trade was solid. Alexander is wildly inconsistent, and he pulled some Moss-esque antics by the end of the season ("I was stabbed in the back" etc)

Wildly inconsistent? His numbers over the past 4 seasons:

 

2004 368 carries, 1736 yards, 4.7 ypc, 16 TDs

 

2003 326 carries, 1435 yards, 4.4 ypc, 14 TDs

 

2002 295 carries, 1175 yards, 4.0 ypc, 16 TDs

 

2001 309 carries, 1318 yards, 4.3 ypc, 14 TDs

 

If that's wildly inconsistent I'd hate to see what consistent is. As far as Seattle making out like bandits in the deal, I fail to see how aquiring one of the best running backs in football is such a bad thing. Cedric Benson or whomever Seattle would end up drafting might end up being great, but Alexander already is. I'll take as close to a sure thing as you can get over the crap shoot of the draft any day.

I rather have a player who WANTS to be on my team.

Maybe. Doesn't mean you got the better end of the deal.

 

Seattle already has a bunch of receivers who can't catch; now they're taking a huge hit at running back. They'll be lucky to get to .500 this year. Of course, that's probably good enough for the first wild-card spot in the NFC anyway.

Remember that they're in the worst division in the league. A team like Jacksonville or Buffalo would have wiped the floor with the NFC North (heck, Buffalo destroyed Seattle in the middle of the season, IIRC).

 

As for Alexander's consistency, look at a per-game basis. Some games he was incredible, rushing for 150 yards, catching for another 50, racking up 3+ TDs. Other games, he would go in and rush for 50 with no TDs and a costly fumble. He has inflated games which boost his overall stats, like the game against Carolina where he rushed for 190 yards. Plus in the playoff game against the Rams he did jackshit (40 yards rushing, 2.7 ypc, 1 reception). I'm not saying the guy was a terrible back or anything; at times, he was brilliant. But getting a quality corner and moving up 20 spots in the draft is very good return on the guy.

[Crimson Platypus 0]

Without having seen the games where Alexander was not very good, I would say that that could probably be (at least in part) because of the fact that teams would, and could stack the line and concentrate on stopping him because Robinson and Jackson couldn't catch a football with a butterfly net.

[Guest Failed Mascot]

As far as Seattle making out like bandits in the deal, I fail to see how aquiring one of the best running backs in football is such a bad thing. Cedric Benson or whomever Seattle would end up drafting might end up being great, but Alexander already is. I'll take as close to a sure thing as you can get over the crap shoot of the draft any day.

Seattle gets a top tier cornerback and the #2 overall pick while The Dolphins would be getting a running back that is going to demand a top level contract and a late round first round pick. A trade you relate this to is the Champ Bailey for Clinton Portis deal. Portis showed that while still a very good back alot of his numbers were also due to having a great O-line.

 

Anyways, according to Alan Greenberg of the Hartford Courant who is on New England Sports Tonight, the Patriots could be looking at bringing in Darren Sharper and moving Eugene Wilson back to CB.

[Your Paragon of Virtue 0]

As far as Seattle making out like bandits in the deal, I fail to see how aquiring one of the best running backs in football is such a bad thing.  Cedric Benson or whomever Seattle would end up drafting might end up being great, but Alexander already is. I'll take as close to a sure thing as you can get over the crap shoot of the draft any day.

Seattle gets a top tier cornerback and the #2 overall pick while The Dolphins would be getting a running back that is going to demand a top level contract and a late round first round pick. A trade you relate this to is the Champ Bailey for Clinton Portis deal. Portis showed that while still a very good back alot of his numbers were also due to having a great O-line.

 

Anyways, according to Alan Greenberg of the Hartford Courant who is on New England Sports Tonight, the Patriots could be looking at bringing in Darren Sharper and moving Eugene Wilson back to CB.

That's not really the best example to prove your point, if your point is that the Seahawks are getting the better of the deal, seeing as how Champ was arguably a bigger letdown than Portis.

[Vern Gagne 0]

No to Cedric Benson, if your the Seahawks. Ronnie Brown is a much more suited towards the West Coast style offense.

[USC Wuz Robbed! 0]

No to Cedric Benson, if your the Seahawks. Ronnie Brown is a much more suited towards the West Coast style offense.

Seattle shouldn't even use the Dolphins' pick on a RB. I'd say they go after a defensive player or WR.

[Guest Agent of Oblivion]

Mike Williams, perhaps? Personally, I think they should go defense. It seemed like they had more of a problem choking a lead away then actually building up a lead. A bigtime pressure DE would be good.

 

The Dolphins are going to get fucked in this trade. Alexander, while putting up good numbers on a seasonal basis, is hot or cold on a game to game basis. (Californian beat me to the punch on that point.)

 

He's now on a team where he's going to have to put up huge numbers consistently, as they've got a shit OL and an iffy QB with no real targets. I think he's going to flounder, and get frustrated when the Fins are 1-6 if they're lucky. The game's where he's on are going to be even more troublesome when they're in a losing effort. I can see Saban wanting a quick fix, but they really should've kept their pick and planned for the future. Not trade it away along with one of their premier defensive players.

[Spaceman Spiff 0]

Colts thinking about trading Edgerrin?

 

I'd take Edgerring over Alexander, but apparently Saban isn't interested in Edge. At least see what it would take to get him. Maybe you could keep either the 2nd pick or Surtain, rather than giving up both for Alexander.

[Guest Agent of Oblivion]

That's a mixed bag for me. Should they unload James for some defensive help, it's going to put a kink in their well-oiled play action passing attack. They NEED the defense, though. That's the only piece of the puzzle missing from a dynasty-caliber team.

[USC Wuz Robbed! 0]

Mike Williams, perhaps? Personally, I think they should go defense. It seemed like they had more of a problem choking a lead away then actually building up a lead. A bigtime pressure DE would be good.

 

The Dolphins are going to get fucked in this trade. Alexander, while putting up good numbers on a seasonal basis, is hot or cold on a game to game basis. (LaParkaMarka beat me to the punch on that point.)

 

He's now on a team where he's going to have to put up huge numbers consistently, as they've got a shit OL and an iffy QB with no real targets. I think he's going to flounder, and get frustrated when the Fins are 1-6 if they're lucky. The game's where he's on are going to be even more troublesome when they're in a losing effort. I can see Saban wanting a quick fix, but they really should've kept their pick and planned for the future. Not trade it away along with one of their premier defensive players.

Just so I don't accept credit that isn't due to me.

[LaParkaMarka 0]

Thanks, Californian.

 

The Hawks are apparently having A-train in for a visit, according to the Post-Intelligencer. Kinda lends credence to the idea they're ditching Alexander.

[USC Wuz Robbed! 0]

What the hell does a West Coast-passing style team want with a slow and plodding running back?

[strummer 0]

Giants bow out of the Plaxeco Burress chase. Eli still has nobody to throw to.

[Guest Failed Mascot]

According to 49ersNews.com the 49ers have reached an agreement in principal with free agent WR David Boston. This franchise will just never learn.

 

In other news Brett Favre is coming back for 2005 and they just officially released Darren Sharper.

[Guest El Satanico]

That's a mixed bag for me. Should they unload James for some defensive help, it's going to put a kink in their well-oiled play action passing attack. They NEED the defense, though. That's the only piece of the puzzle missing from a dynasty-caliber team.

Their second and third string RBs have done fine when James wasn't playing, so their running ability wouldn't change drastically.

[mike546 0]

ESPn says Giants are moving their attention to Corey Bradford.

 

*sigh*

[Guest Failed Mascot]

Hilarious

 

Marco Rivera, the ex-Packers Pro Bowl guard who last week received a $9 million signing bonus to sign a free agent contract with the Cowboys, underwent back surgery Thursday in Dallas after experiencing pain while running on a treadmill, sources told ESPN's Chris Mortensen.

 

Rivera, 32, is expected to be inactive for four-to-six weeks after surgery that repaired a L-5 disk problem, the sources said. He experienced significant pain in a leg when he was running on a treadmill Wednesday morning in Baltimore, where he was honored at the annual Ed Bloch Awards.

 

Rivera underwent the operation in Dallas and was said to be resting comfortably at Presbyterian Hospital. Rivera is expected to recover in time for training camp in late July, sources said.

 

A Cowboys spokesman had no comment about Rivera's status.