Iran Says It Will Never Scrap Nuke Program

[Dr. Tyler; Captain America 0]

adam_bomb: The Voice of the World!

 

but how americans can even vote regarding this issue when 90 % dont even own passports is amazing.

 

The hell does that have to do with anything?

[Guest adam_bomb]

Well, if you want to vote on domestic policy, fine, but when voting for Bushs foreign policy, which has a negative effect on other countries, I feel Americans should at least be able to point out the place their leader is bombing on the map. After all, , the ignorance of your average american is amazing

[Dr. Tyler; Captain America 0]

Extend that to the rest of the world and we have a deal.

 

If you want to argue that the voting populations of every country should have to pass a test of some sort, fine; however, don't limit it to America. The average human being is stupid and ignorant, not just Americans.

[Guest adam_bomb]

well the rest of the world isnt randomly invading countries just because it want a bit of a power trip

[Dr. Tyler; Captain America 0]

randomly invading countries

 

I think the entire world knew exactly where we were going to invade. I'd hardly call it random.

 

just because it want a bit of a power trip

 

If you want to make an ignorant, leftist argument, say it was political. Just a tip. Power trip sounds stupid, considering Bush is already the most powerful man in the world whether or not we go ahead and invade Iran tomorrow after breakfast.

[Guest Salacious Crumb]

well the rest of the world isnt randomly invading countries just because it want a bit of a power trip

Listen here you stupid fuck. If you're going to complain about ignorance at least fucking spell correctly in the entire thread.

 

You sound like a fucking idiot when U.N. Peacekeepers have a nasty habit of raping the women in areas they're supposed to be protecting and the French soldiers were making revenge killings on civilians on the Ivory Coast.

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Has Iran ever used a nuclear weapon? How about the USA? Who is america to judge anyones human rights record

Yes, the USA has indeed used a nuclear wepon on humans. Two of them, in fact. This happened sixty years ago, in the middle of an officially declared World War, with the intention of ending that war, and they were used instead of a massive ground troops invasion of mainland Japan which would have resulted in MANY more deaths than the bombs did. And all this took place before the arms race started and before anyone but the scientists who built it really understood anything about the possible horrors of the nuclear age.

 

Iran, on the other hand, invaded the US embassy and took its employees hostage (which took place a mere twenty-five years ago, and is a blatantly criminal act by the standards of the Geneva Convention), helped plan terrorist bombings on several civilian targets such as passenger airliners, cuts off the hands of pickpockets, legally allows fathers to murder their children, executes rape victims, and doesn't allow women to vote, drive, own property, hold a job, or dress in clothing that shows anything but their eyes.

 

WHO are we supposed to trust here?

 

theres a big difference between intelligent people trusting him and your average american

I have a tested IQ of 150. I can point out any country in the world on an unlabeled map. I didn't vote for Bush. Yet I'm an American... and yes, I don't own a passport. Do you see the logical fallacies in your argument here?

 

Well its questionable whether he actually won the first one.

Plenty of Americans never stop arguing over that subject.

 

who gives a crap about gay marriage and abortion?

Conservative Christians, of which the US has the largest population in the world.

 

To put it in Middle Eastern terms: who gives a crap about making women wear veils, praying towards Mecca, and declaring jihads?

 

Have you noticed the distinct lack of coverage towards N.Korea, which has chemical, biological and nuclear weapons

I have wondered about that one myself. But then again, I'm not a military intelligence officer; I hardly have all the facts.

 

After all, , the ignorance of your average american is amazing

You committed no less than three grammatical errors in that short statement, so its validity is shaky at best.

 

well the rest of the world isnt randomly invading countries just because it want a bit of a power trip

Yep, boy we sure mistreated that poor innocent Saddam fellow. It's reprehensible how America went on a power trip in that man's noble, peaceful, free-living country.

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I'm in favor of random invasions.

 

To somewhat quote Denis Leary:

 

Let's stop in on Vietnam on the way back from Iraq. Suprise the fuck out of those people.

 

"You make a movie?"

 

"Not this time asshole."

[SuperJerk 0]

http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/europe/02/09/rice/index.html

 

Rice: Iran must halt nuclear program

Secretary of state says Iran could be referred to Security Council

 

 

BRUSSELS, Belgium (CNN) -- U.S. Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice said on Wednesday that Iran must live up to its international obligations to halt its nuclear program or "the next steps are in the offing."

 

"And I think everybody understands what the 'next steps' mean," Rice told reporters after a meeting with NATO foreign ministers and European Union officials.

 

"It's obvious that if Iran cannot be brought to live up to its international obligations that, in fact, the IAEA (International Atomic Energy Agency) statutes would suggest that Iran has to be referred to the U.N. Security Council," she said.

 

Iran has refused to halt its nuclear program, saying it is only intended for peaceful energy production.

 

In recent months, negotiators from France, Britain and Germany have been trying to coax Iran to fully disclose the parameters of its nuclear program and abandon efforts to produce nuclear fuel in exchange for economic and political incentives.

 

"The message is there, the Iranians need to get that message, and we can certainly always remind them that there are other steps that the international community has at its disposal should they not be prepared to live up to these obligations," the secretary of state said.

 

She said that no timetable had been set.

 

"We continue to be in completely close consultation with the Europeans about how it is going, about whether progress is being made, about whether the Iranians seem to be moving toward living up to those obligations, and we'll just monitor and continue those discussions," she said.

 

In his state of the union address last week, President Bush singled out Iran as "the world's primary state sponsor of terror -- pursuing nuclear weapons," while depriving its people of freedom.

 

The administration made similar statements and threats in the run-up to its invasion of Iraq.

 

But Rice on Friday said that the question of using military force against the Tehran regime "is simply not on the agenda at this point in time."

'Time for diplomacy'

 

"We believe this is a time for diplomacy," the secretary said Wednesday, adding that human rights in Iran and Tehran's sponsoring of terror groups are also causes for concern.

 

"The message that we are giving to Iran: We do have diplomatic means at our disposal, we are doing this bilaterally as well as multilaterally, and I believe that a diplomatic solution is in our grasp, if we can have unity of purpose, unity of message with the Iranians and if the Iranians understand that the international community is quite serious about it living up to its obligations."

 

The IAEA has the authority to refer Iran to the Security Council, but the group's board of governors has refrained from doing so in seven meetings on the topic in the past two years.

 

Mark Gwozdecky, a spokesman for the IAEA, said the governors have reaffirmed their support for the inspection process at each meeting "as long as inspectors are making progress and not being obstructed, and as long as Iran appears to be cooperating."

 

The board next meets February 28, Gwozdecky said.

 

Aw, shit.

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Oh no....Rice is going to do a strip tease!!!

RUN!!!!!

[Guest cosbywasmurdered]

cuts off the hands of pickpockets,

 

I like that.

[AndrewTS 0]

well the rest of the world isnt randomly invading countries just because it want a bit of a power trip

*nods and smiles*...

[Guest INXS]

I would like America to disarm it's nuclear weapons please, I feel that they are a threat to stability worldwide.

[Stephen Joseph 0]

You people crack me up.

[Justice 0]

I would like America to disarm it's nuclear weapons please, I feel that they are a threat to stability worldwide.

Funniest. Post. EVER.

[Dr. Tom 0]

I would like America to disarm it's nuclear weapons please, I feel that they are a threat to stability worldwide.

Every other country first.

[SuperJerk 0]

There was a time when America was the only country with nukes.

[Guest MikeSC]

I would like America to disarm it's nuclear weapons please, I feel that they are a threat to stability worldwide.

We have considered your request and decided to not only to say no, but to mock you for even mentioning it.

There was a time when America was the only country with nukes.

Was it Fuchs who sold the secrets to the Soviets? I honestly don't remember which Manhattan Project scientist was a traitor.

-=Mike

[Your Paragon of Virtue 0]

I would like America to disarm it's nuclear weapons please, I feel that they are a threat to stability worldwide.

We have considered your request and decided to not only to say no, but to mock you for even mentioning it.

There was a time when America was the only country with nukes.

Was it Fuchs who sold the secrets to the Soviets? I honestly don't remember which Manhattan Project scientist was a traitor.

-=Mike

His name was Fuchs, probably him.

 

That dirty Fuchs....

[Guest MikeSC]

I would like America to disarm it's nuclear weapons please, I feel that they are a threat to stability worldwide.

We have considered your request and decided to not only to say no, but to mock you for even mentioning it.

There was a time when America was the only country with nukes.

Was it Fuchs who sold the secrets to the Soviets? I honestly don't remember which Manhattan Project scientist was a traitor.

-=Mike

His name was Fuchs, probably him.

 

That dirty Fuchs....

I'm actually asking a legit question. I know it was one of the Manhattan Project scientists. I just can't recall if it was Klaus Fuchs or not.

-=Mike

[BUTT 0]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Klaus_Fuchs

 

"Emil Julius Klaus Fuchs (b. December 29, 1911, Rüsselsheim, Germany – d. January 28, 1988, East Berlin, East Germany) was a German physicist who was convicted of surreptitiously supplying information on the British and American atomic bomb research to the USSR."

 

So, yes.

[SuperJerk 0]

I guess you can say that we were Fuched over.

 

 

 

 

**rimshot**

[Your Paragon of Virtue 0]

Told you so.

[SuperJerk 0]

Iran Threatens to Shoot Down U.S. Drones

 

 

TEHRAN, Iran - Iran's intelligence chief on Wednesday accused the United States of flying spy drones over its nuclear sites and threatened to shoot down the unmanned surveillance crafts.

 

Intelligence Minister Ali Yunesi comments backed a report in The Washington Post on Sunday that quoted unnamed U.S. officials as saying the drones have been flying over Iran for nearly a year to seek evidence of nuclear weapons programs.

 

"U.S. spying activities over Iranian airspace have been going since a long time ago," Yunesi told reporters.

 

"Most of the shining objects that our people see in Iran's airspace are American spying equipment used to spy on Iran's nuclear and military facilities," the minister told reporters.

 

He said they would not reveal anything the United States doesn't already know.

 

"Our nuclear activities are open and very transparent. Our military activities are all legal," Yunesi said. He spoke while visiting a prison for dissidents under the Shah that has been turned into a museum.

 

The Washington Post reported the drones had been flying over Iran from U.S. military bases in Iraq and were equipped with air filters to pick up traces of nuclear activity.

 

In December, the Iranian air force was ordered to shoot down any unknown flying objects. At the time, there were reports in Iranian newspapers that Iran had discovered spying devices in pilotless planes its air defense force had shot down.

 

"If any of the bright objects come close, they will definitely meet our fire and will be shot down. We possess the necessary equipment to confront them," Yunesi said.

 

Last month, Yunesi said the United States had been conducting aerial surveillance, but he neither mentioned drones nor nuclear and military sites. Yunesi said U.S. commandoes had not entered Iran, adding the security forces would catch any American who did.

 

Iranian media has been gripped by a kind of "flying object" fever with dozens of reported sightings in recent weeks. State-run media has reported numerous sightings of unknown objects flying over parts of Iran where nuclear facilities are located.

 

The objects were spotted near Natanz - which has a uranium enrichment plant - and Isfahan, which has a facility for producing uranium hexaflouride gas, the feedstock for enriching uranium.

 

Uranium enriched to low grades is used for fuel in nuclear reactors. Further enrichment makes it suitable for atomic bombs.

 

The United States accuses Iran of having a secret program to manufacture nuclear weapons. Iran denies this, saying its nuclear program is entirely for the generation of electricity.

 

credit: Associated Press

 

Here we go again.

[Big Ol' Smitty 0]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml.../ixnewstop.html

 

President George W Bush added a new twist to the international tension over Iran's nuclear programme last night by pledging to support Israel if it tries to destroy the Islamic regime's capacity to make an atomic bomb.

 

 

 

Asked whether he would back Israel if it raided Teheran's nuclear facilities, Mr Bush first expressed cautious solidarity with European efforts, led by Britain, France and Germany, to negotiate with Iran.

 

But he quickly qualified himself, adding that all nations should be concerned about whether Iran could make nuclear weapons.

 

"Clearly, if I was the leader of Israel and I'd listened to some of the statements by the Iranian ayatollahs that regarded the security of my country, I'd be concerned about Iran having a nuclear weapon as well. And in that Israel is our ally, and in that we've made a very strong commitment to support Israel, we will support Israel if her security is threatened."

 

His comments appeared to be a departure from the administration's line that there are no plans to attack at present and that Washington backs European diplomatic efforts. The remarks may have reflected Mr Bush's personal thinking on an issue causing deep concern in Washington.

 

Moments later, Mr Bush was asked another question on Iran and appeared to return to his script - this time emphasising the need for a diplomatic effort.

 

Speaking days before he arrives in Europe on a tour designed to mend fences with estranged allies, he underscored the differences still hobbling western policy towards the Middle East.

 

Many figures close to the United States administration believe that the European diplomatic initiative is calculated more to dilute America's hardline approach to weapons of mass destruction than to stop Iran's mullahs building a bomb.

 

Israel, meanwhile, has given warning about Iran's nuclear ambitions, saying that an Iranian bomb might be only six months away and that such a weapon would pose a grave risk to its security. Mr Bush repeated the reasons for America's anxiety: "Remember, this all started when we found [iran] enriching uranium in an undeclared fashion, and it happened because somebody told on them."

 

Iran's long march towards becoming a nuclear power appeared to make a significant step forward yesterday with the opening of a £450 million reactor at Bushehr.

 

A senior Russian nuclear official said he would go to Iran next week to sign a protocol agreeing the return of spent nuclear fuel, the last remaining obstacle to Bushehr's functioning. This will allow deliveries of Russian nuclear fuel.

 

The protocol's signing has been repeatedly delayed. It aims to ease concerns that Iran could reprocess spent nuclear fuel from Bushehr to extract plutonium, which could be used in nuclear weapons.

 

Iran's influential former president, Hashemi Rafsanjani, speaking yesterday after meeting the Syrian prime minister, Mohammad Naji al-Otari, said his country needed to create a powerful alliance with Syria, Iraq and other Arab countries.

 

Mr Rafsanjani, widely expected to run in Iran's June presidential elections, said the region must "stay completely vigilant vis-a-vis the US and Israeli plots".

 

America has this week stepped up its rhetoric against Syria following Monday's murder of the former Lebanese premier, Rafik al-Hariri. Pro-Syrian elements have been widely accused of involvement.

 

Mr Bush called on Syria yesterday to obey a UN resolution demanding that it remove its troops from Lebanon and restore the country's independence.

 

He said: "We've recalled our ambassador [from Damascus], which indicates the relationship is not moving forward; that Syria is out of step with the progress being made in the greater Middle East."

[CheesalaIsGood 0]

So I guess we are all fucked?

 

 

Yes?

 

Ok, I'll miss you all. Cept YOU Justice.

[Boon 0]

A senior Russian nuclear official said he would go to Iran next week to sign a protocol agreeing the return of spent nuclear fuel, the last remaining obstacle to Bushehr's functioning. This will allow deliveries of Russian nuclear fuel.

I guess it wouldn't be a threat of nuclear global annhialation without Russia.

[Guest MikeSC]

Let Israel take it out. They did it to Saddam.

-=Mike

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Bush: Attack on Iran 'ridiculous'

 

 

BRUSSELS, Belgium (AP) -- U.S. President George W. Bush said Tuesday that it is "simply ridiculous" to assume that the United States has plans to attack Iran over its alleged nuclear weapons program after discussing the issue with European allies.

 

"This notion that the United States is getting ready to attack Iran is simply ridiculous. Having said that, all options are on the table," Bush said.

 

The assurance to Iran's leaders was Bush's bluntest assessment yet. Last week, he used a series of pre-trip interviews with European journalists to minimize talk of any military attack by the United States.

 

Bush has walked a careful line between supporting an approach led by European nations to persuade Iran to scrap its uranium enrichment program in exchange for technological, financial and political support without talking about the U.S. reservations about that strategy.

 

"It's in our interests for them not to have a nuclear weapon," Bush said in a news conference with European Union leaders.

 

The United States has refused to get involved in the bargaining with Tehran or to make commitments toward incentives, insisting that Tehran abandon its program.

 

The possibility of a military strike has been raised since the U.S.-led war with Iraq over its alleged weapons of mass destruction, which never were found.

 

Also on Tuesday, Bush hailed NATO's modest pledge to help train security forces in Iraq, saying "every contribution helps."

 

"The NATO training mission is an important mission, because after all, the success of Iraq depends upon the capacity and the willingness of the Iraqis to defend their own selves against terrorists," he said during an earlier news conference at NATO headquarters.

 

Bush also made clear his intention to challenge Russian President Vladimir Putin on recent actions, including restrictions on the press and Moscow's treatment of neighboring Baltic countries, that U.S. officials view as harmful to democracy there. The two leaders meet Thursday in Slovakia.

 

"A constructive relationship allows me to remind him that I believe Russia is a European country and European countries embrace those very same values that America embraces," Bush said. "I'm confident that can be done in a cordial way."

 

Bush also reiterated U.S. opposition to Europe's plans to lift its 15-year arms embargo against China. Bush said the United States fears that removing the ban would upset the balance in the Asian region.

 

"There is deep concern in our country that a transfer of weapons will be a transfer of technology, that it will change the balance of relations between China and Taiwan," Bush said.

 

credit: http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/europe/02/22...n.ap/index.html

[Jobber of the Week 0]

Bush: Attack on Iran 'ridiculous'

 

I long for a day when a President will call something "bullshit."

 

Not picking on Bush, there. Just saying. It'd be great if somebody did it someday.