Gary Floyd Posted February 16, 2005 Report Posted February 16, 2005 From CNN ANNAPOLIS, Maryland (AP) -- The daughter of conservative Republican Alan Keyes referred to herself Monday as a "liberal queer" and urged support for gay and lesbian young people who have been deserted by their families. Maya Marcel-Keyes, 19, addressed a rally sponsored by the gay-rights group Equality Maryland, saying she was motivated to speak out because of her rocky relationship with her parents and the recent death of a friend who had fallen ill after being thrown out of the house by his family. Marcel-Keyes told several hundred supporters that her sexuality had created a rift in her relationship with her parents. "Things just came to a head. Liberal queer plus conservative Republican just doesn't mesh well," she said. "That was making my life a little bit turbulent." Later, Marcel-Keyes told CNN her parents "were not too pleased" when they learned she was a lesbian, but she said she loves them "very much, and they love me. They can't support my activities." Her father, the Republican candidate for the U.S. Senate in Illinois last year, created a stir in August when he said during an interview that homosexuality was "selfish hedonism" and that Vice President Dick Cheney's lesbian daughter was a sinner. In a statement issued Monday night, Keyes said: "My daughter is an adult, and she is responsible for her own actions. What she chooses to do has nothing to do with my work or political activities." Marcel-Keyes said she received an outpouring of support when disclosing her sexual orientation, but her friend did not. "Like me, he grew up queer in a conservative household," she said. But where she got hundreds of e-mails, offers of a place to stay and a college scholarship, "he'd been out there two years and had gotten nothing." "And the worst part is, he isn't the only one," Marcel-Keyes said. While we're at it, here's her blog (Feels a bit too much like livejournal for my tastes) http://www.xanga.com/home.aspx?user=Xmisled0youthX
Guest sek69 Posted February 16, 2005 Report Posted February 16, 2005 Keyes not only said that all gays and lesbians are “selfish hedonists” but that Mary Cheney is “by definition” a “selfish hedonist” and "a sinner." I wonder if he feels his own daughter is a sinner, and if so, that would be sad indeed.
2GOLD Posted February 16, 2005 Report Posted February 16, 2005 Alan is nuts. No one is arguing for him here. Everyone was in agreement that Alan is whacked out of his mind.
Spicy McHaggis Posted February 16, 2005 Report Posted February 16, 2005 I wonder if he feels his own daughter is a sinner, and if so, that would be sad indeed. I would venture to say yes. We're all sinners. That's kind of a given.
SuperJerk Posted February 16, 2005 Report Posted February 16, 2005 Keyes not only said that all gays and lesbians are “selfish hedonists” but that Mary Cheney is “by definition” a “selfish hedonist” and "a sinner." I wonder if he feels his own daughter is a sinner, and if so, that would be sad indeed. Rumor is he kicked her out because of this.
Vyce Posted February 16, 2005 Report Posted February 16, 2005 Keyes not only said that all gays and lesbians are “selfish hedonists” but that Mary Cheney is “by definition” a “selfish hedonist” and "a sinner." I wonder if he feels his own daughter is a sinner, and if so, that would be sad indeed. I think it's obvious that he does. I think the reason why she says she's gotten offers for places to live is because he's pretty much washed his hands of her. I got into a minor argument with a family member over this earlier this morning.....it's guys like Keyes which really bring down conservative politics. Based upon his beliefs and his faith, okay, maybe he has a right to be a bit, I don't know, disappointed in the lifestyle choice of his daughter, but to carry on about how all homosexuals are sinners is just fucking hypocritical, particularly when Christianity is SUPPOSED to be a religion of tolerance and love.
SuperJerk Posted February 16, 2005 Report Posted February 16, 2005 I wonder if he feels his own daughter is a sinner, and if so, that would be sad indeed. I would venture to say yes. We're all sinners. That's kind of a given. Sin is a concept within a religious structure which I do not believe in. Just saying.
Vyce Posted February 16, 2005 Report Posted February 16, 2005 I wonder if he feels his own daughter is a sinner, and if so, that would be sad indeed. I would venture to say yes. We're all sinners. That's kind of a given. Sin is a concept within a religious structure which I do not believe in. Just saying. Christ. No pun intended. Then just substitute "sin" for "fallibility" or "wrongdoing" or "iniquity". Surely you can fit one of THOSE concepts into your paradigm.
Styles Posted February 16, 2005 Report Posted February 16, 2005 I wonder if he feels his own daughter is a sinner, and if so, that would be sad indeed. I would venture to say yes. We're all sinners. That's kind of a given. Sin is a concept within a religious structure which I do not believe in. Just saying. Christ. No pun intended. Then just substitute "sin" for "fallibility" or "wrongdoing" or "iniquity". Surely you can fit one of THOSE concepts into your paradigm. Stop forcing your rigid moral code on us, you zealot...
Your Paragon of Virtue Posted February 16, 2005 Report Posted February 16, 2005 I wonder if he feels his own daughter is a sinner, and if so, that would be sad indeed. I would venture to say yes. We're all sinners. That's kind of a given. Sin is a concept within a religious structure which I do not believe in. Just saying. Christ. No pun intended. Then just substitute "sin" for "fallibility" or "wrongdoing" or "iniquity". Surely you can fit one of THOSE concepts into your paradigm. You overreacted more than he did. Just sayin'. I don't know, there are PLENTY of people that would do a lot worse than kick out their child, religious or not. I don't see how this is really news. Someone post one of the fluff pictures....
SuperJerk Posted February 16, 2005 Report Posted February 16, 2005 I wonder if he feels his own daughter is a sinner, and if so, that would be sad indeed. I would venture to say yes. We're all sinners. That's kind of a given. Sin is a concept within a religious structure which I do not believe in. Just saying. Christ. No pun intended. Then just substitute "sin" for "fallibility" or "wrongdoing" or "iniquity". Surely you can fit one of THOSE concepts into your paradigm. So, even using that terminology, what "fallibility" or "wrongdoing" or "iniquity" is she guilty of? She's done nothing wrong.
Vyce Posted February 16, 2005 Report Posted February 16, 2005 You're right, she hasn't. Which is why Alan Keyes is a hypocrite and a very sad, pathetic man / Christian.
Hogan Made Wrestling Posted February 16, 2005 Report Posted February 16, 2005 Keyes' daughter should try to hook up with Barack Obama just to see if that will push him over the edge.
NoCalMike Posted February 16, 2005 Report Posted February 16, 2005 So Alan Keyes is basically disowning his daughter for comitting the big sin of love?
CheesalaIsGood Posted February 16, 2005 Report Posted February 16, 2005 Hmm. Thats alot of daughters of powerful conservative men going gay. Whats up with that?
kkktookmybabyaway Posted February 16, 2005 Report Posted February 16, 2005 We already made fun of Alan and the fact he had a gay kid back when he was running for the Senate, but since Mikey Moore is a staple at this place, I'll just say "carry on..."
SuperJerk Posted February 16, 2005 Report Posted February 16, 2005 We already made fun of Alan and the fact he had a gay kid back when he was running for the Senate, but since Mikey Moore is a staple at this place, I'll just say "carry on..." We were? News to me.
Vyce Posted February 16, 2005 Report Posted February 16, 2005 Hmm. Thats alot of daughters of powerful conservative men going gay. Whats up with that? Didn't you know? It's the latest trend. I'm hoping for some Bush twins HLA myself. We were? News to me. There was a thread or two back in October before the elections. It had numerous examples, I believe, of Keyes random insanity / idiocy.
kkktookmybabyaway Posted February 16, 2005 Report Posted February 16, 2005 We already made fun of Alan and the fact he had a gay kid back when he was running for the Senate, but since Mikey Moore is a staple at this place, I'll just say "carry on..." We were? News to me. Don't question my search abilities, hippie...
SuperJerk Posted February 16, 2005 Report Posted February 16, 2005 We already made fun of Alan and the fact he had a gay kid back when he was running for the Senate, but since Mikey Moore is a staple at this place, I'll just say "carry on..." We were? News to me. Don't question my search abilities, hippie... OMG PWN3D~!!!!!!!!!!!!111 That'll teach me to ask a stupid question.
kkktookmybabyaway Posted February 17, 2005 Report Posted February 17, 2005 Damn str8 -- now is Soccer Mom'd > Pwn3d? I have no idea on the order of these things...
Spicy McHaggis Posted February 17, 2005 Report Posted February 17, 2005 I wonder if he feels his own daughter is a sinner, and if so, that would be sad indeed. I would venture to say yes. We're all sinners. That's kind of a given. Sin is a concept within a religious structure which I do not believe in. Just saying. Then you shouldn't have an opinion on that concept.
Your Paragon of Virtue Posted February 17, 2005 Report Posted February 17, 2005 I wonder if he feels his own daughter is a sinner, and if so, that would be sad indeed. I would venture to say yes. We're all sinners. That's kind of a given. Sin is a concept within a religious structure which I do not believe in. Just saying. Then you shouldn't have an opinion on that concept. I don't believe in communism. Am I not allowed to criticize, using an *opinion* of some of their ideals?
SuperJerk Posted February 17, 2005 Report Posted February 17, 2005 I wonder if he feels his own daughter is a sinner, and if so, that would be sad indeed. I would venture to say yes. We're all sinners. That's kind of a given. Sin is a concept within a religious structure which I do not believe in. Just saying. Then you shouldn't have an opinion on that concept. I don't believe in murder either, but I can still have an opinion on it.
Your Paragon of Virtue Posted February 17, 2005 Report Posted February 17, 2005 I wonder if he feels his own daughter is a sinner, and if so, that would be sad indeed. I would venture to say yes. We're all sinners. That's kind of a given. Sin is a concept within a religious structure which I do not believe in. Just saying. Then you shouldn't have an opinion on that concept. I don't believe in murder either, but I can still have an opinion on it. Hey fucker I already used an analogy, and besides, yours is a false one.
Edwin MacPhisto Posted February 17, 2005 Report Posted February 17, 2005 I dunno, I think both of your analogies are kind of false. Yours is definitely false, because communism does actually exist, and RobotJerk's is probably false unless he means he actually doesn't believe in the concept of murder. I think his original use of "believe" is a bit different than what you've done now. But I still agree with the sentiment you were going for, so. Spicy McHaggis isn't making a lot of sense on this one, esp. considering the fact that sin lacks a definition outside of its religious context.
Your Paragon of Virtue Posted February 17, 2005 Report Posted February 17, 2005 I dunno, I think both of your analogies are kind of false. Yours is definitely false, because communism does actually exist, and RobotJerk's is probably false unless he means he actually doesn't believe in the concept of murder. I think his original use of "believe" is a bit different than what you've done now. But I still agree with the sentiment you were going for, so. Spicy McHaggis isn't making a lot of sense on this one, esp. considering the fact that sin lacks a definition outside of its religious context. You are right on this one. Fucking English major. How about I don't believe in aliens in outer space, so I must be unqualified to talk about it? When in reality, maybe I am qualified to the point where I have good reasoning not to believe?
Jobber of the Week Posted February 17, 2005 Report Posted February 17, 2005 Her father, the Republican candidate for the U.S. Senate in Illinois last year, created a stir in August when he said during an interview that homosexuality was "selfish hedonism" and that Vice President Dick Cheney's lesbian daughter was a sinner. In a statement issued Monday night, Keyes said: "My daughter is an adult, and she is responsible for her own actions. What she chooses to do has nothing to do with my work or political activities." In other words, he got owned. In a statement issued Monday night, Keyes said: "Great job I did steering my kids down the righteous path. Boy, I sure look like a huge hypocrite now, huh?"
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