Shane Douglas planning ECW Reunion show

[Hunter's Torn Quad 0]

Snow was leaving for the WWF not long after, so it would have made zero sense to put the belt on him. And it was in 1998.

[Guest netslob]

ok, if not Snow someone else, whatever, the point is Douglas shouldn't have had the belt that long if he couldn't work.

[geniusMoment 0]

Douglas and his backers have come to terms with Sabu, Bill Alphonso, The Sandman, Francine, Justin Credible, Joey Styles and Terry Funk for his ECW reunion show.

 

How awesome is it that Vince and Co. offered Sabu and The Sandman deals for 5,000 for a night, and they turned them down.

 

Good luck WWE, your ECW reunion will not feature any of these performers in matches:

1. RVD-due to injury

2. Raven-TNA and I believe working with Shane

3. Sabu-with Douglas

4. Terry Funk-with Douglas

5. The Sandman-with Douglas

6. Taz-due to injury

7. Justin Credible-with douglas

8. The Pitbull Gary Wolfe-with douglas

9. Francine-with douglas

 

And you will not have Joey Styles announcing the card, which immediatly makes it seem un-ECW like. Also, there is serious doubt whether Heyman will be involved.

 

Also, Douglas will almost assuredly get Bam Bam Bigelow, Chris Candido and Jerry Lynn for his show.

[Guest Trivia247]

the writing is on the walls on this one. If Douglas is getting the upperhand in getting ECW alluim talent of Name value over them going over to the WWE for the money, then the WWE ECW PPV is screwed in its conception. If thats even possible.

 

I had said it before the Best option probably been to Somehow convince Shane O Douglas to sign on too theirs and lend his advertising skills onto bringing the remainder with him. I don't quite remember the exact beefs he personally has with the WWE or WWF outside of them floundering him as Dean Douglas. But come on, being a Dynamic Dude must not have been a picnic for him either.

 

Outside of snagging him and thereby making the dominos fall, the ECW ppv maybe just filled with contracted WWE wrestlers who were former ECW allums from the final year to the Company being on Lifesupport of its last few weeks.

[BUTT 0]

Here's some small news from the Observer website:

 

"Paul Heyman was brought into the WWE offices regarding the ECW PPV show. Heyman pushed the idea of using people who work for TNA on the show."

 

Well, he's dreaming if he thinks WWE is going to do that.

[nl5xsk1 0]

While I know it's not happening ... I repeat ... I know it's not happening ...

 

it'd be pretty swank if this whole thing was a work, and the Douglas reunion was going to invade the wwe's reunion. Or something.

 

Again, though, I know that it's not happening.

[Zack Malibu 0]

Reason #478 why I love Shane Douglas.

 

No offense to the ECW talent already under contract to WWE, but they've wasted them and shat on them for YEARS now. No matter how much Big Stevie Cool or Rhyno or Dreamer meant to ECW, no one is going to pay $30 for matches they saw on Heat for the last three years.

[Guest Trivia247]

Heyman working at least as a consultant to head creative brainchild of this Tommy Dreamer, still will bring the suitable ECW Flavor that would be Prerequiste to it.

 

Outside this thread sorta makes sense, Tazz was heard saying about the color orange that during his wrestling days he was all protective of the color due to it was part of the gimmick, but Us Wrestling fans on the internet still take that gimmick that happen 10 years ago that serious must be crazy..

 

Well Im sorry Tazz that some of us thought your material when you were a Stiff Cursing Killing Suplex Machine is a bit more Awesome than some Wisecracking company slub sitting behind the desk. Of course people are gonna reminsicence over the best gimmick a wrestler had. and if Tazz has forgotten that gimmick from 95 translated over some to the WWF at least between 2000-2002. So its not like we are digging this shit up..

 

But well Tazz maybe we should go back, maybe if we all wanted you to go back to the face painting Short dredlock wearing Captain caveman garb wearing Tazmaniac Gimmick...... then perhaps that would be different than the one Gimmick you had that MADE YOUR NAME! EXCUSE US FOR BEING FUCKING FANS!

 

Ok Rant over on that...

 

back to the actual topic. The ECW PPV isn't out of the woods by any stretch of imagination. Having Heyman on board in whatever compacity is certainly a good thing. But too many former ECW wrestlers have a beef with both Heyman and for some reason the WWE so maybe getting the best paycheck they have since being in Indi-land might not sway them all that much.

[Zack Malibu 0]

Even as creative as Heyman is, guys like Nunzio, Stevie, Dreamer, Rhyno, Tajiri, etc. have all been viewed as JTTS/midcarders their whole WWE tenure. All they're doing is combining the Velocity and Heat rosters for this show.

 

As for any actual "star power":

 

Benoit, Mysterio, Guerrero, etc. are all viewed as ex-WCW guys, not ex-ECW guys.

 

The Dudleys are stale, and haven't even been around in months.

 

RVD is hurt.

 

While matches like Malenko/Guerrero or Mysterio vs. Tajiri (unless they got someone like Psicosis or Juvi) would be off the charts workrate wise, there's not a viable main event you can have. Then what do you have on the undercard? The FBI vs. The Dudleys? Richards vs. Dreamer?

[Guest Trivia247]

Even as creative as Heyman is, guys like Nunzio, Stevie, Dreamer, Rhyno, Tajiri, etc. have all been viewed as JTTS/midcarders their whole WWE tenure. All they're doing is combining the Velocity and Heat rosters for this show.

 

As for any actual "star power":

 

Benoit, Mysterio, Guerrero, etc. are all viewed as ex-WCW guys, not ex-ECW guys.

 

The Dudleys are stale, and haven't even been around in months.

 

RVD is hurt.

 

While matches like Malenko/Guerrero or Mysterio vs. Tajiri (unless they got someone like Psicosis or Juvi) would be off the charts workrate wise, there's not a viable main event you can have. Then what do you have on the undercard? The FBI vs. The Dudleys? Richards vs. Dreamer?

thats an excellent point on Benoit Malenko and Guerrero..

 

Reason being that they probably be seen as WCW stars over ECW is simply because despite ECW having their best wrestling years in 94-96 ECW wasn't setup yet to go National and therefore no PPV's.

 

the actual ECW Stars people think of, Outside of us who actually have Grabbed ECW tapes from 95 like I have, would be after the first ECW PPV they unfortunately seem to be the standard bearers and what people assume as actual ECW roster.

 

 

 

For the run down of certain wrestlers during the time of ECW 94-96 that they could nab or use but probably wouldn't make sense to the more causal fans.

 

Steve Austin

 

Mick Foley

 

Scott Steiner

 

Rick Steiner

 

Eddie Guerrero

 

Dean Malenko

 

Chris Benoit

 

Steve Williams

 

Ron Simmons (During he feud with 911)

 

Jason the Terrible (Alla W*ING and Stampede wrestling)

 

Kevin Sullivan

 

I could go on.

[NoCalMike 0]

If 2 Cold Scorpio is in shape, I'd sign him for a match.

[Dobbs 3K 0]

What is the point of having two completely separate ECW tribute shows? Why didn't the WWE have sense to hedge off Shane Douglas right when he started to plan his own show? They should have just paid him to work their own show, and had him help bring in other guys. Shane Douglas was such a big part of ECW that he should be part of any ECW tribute, even though he's never been really been thought of as a great worker or anything.

[Enigma 0]

According to Meltzer, WWE brought Paul Heyman to the offices last weekend and asked him about what they should do for the ECW PPV.

 

Heyman pounded the fact that this PPV needed some of the guys that are currently under contract to TNA. So, WWE recently contacted TNA about using Jerry Lynn, Kid Kash, Shane Douglas, and Raven for the show. TNA politely told them to fuck off.

 

And all reports are saying that WWE is not trying to interfere with Douglas' show because Vince doesn't want to come off as an asshole when it comes to ECW. Meltzer stated that any reports that WWE was offering people more money to not work Douglas' show and just work their's was completely false. Them actually inquiring TNA about using Douglas on the show pretty much proves that.

[NYU 0]

Is this Douglas reunion show actually going to get a TV feed? Or is it just going to be one of those arena shows that all of us wind up hearing about second-hand?

 

If it's the latter, I fail to see just how awesome this Douglas idea is. It has now turned into stroking his own ego, rather than providing the best alternative for the ECW fans.

[natey2k4 0]

I wouldnt mind seeing Chris Chetti come back and team with Nova again..

[Zack Malibu 0]

Douglas would have refused even if WWE offered money, just to spite everyone he hates within the company.

[geniusMoment 0]

The Douglas show is going to be released on dvd, with Joey Styles doing commentary.

[Enigma 0]

The Douglas show is going to be released on dvd, with Joey Styles doing commentary.

Good luck marketing that as an ECW Reunion show, considering Vince has exclusive rights to "ECW" and the fact ECW One Night Stand will probably be released on DVD as well.

[Placebo Effect 0]

The Douglas show is going to be released on dvd, with Joey Styles doing commentary.

Good luck marketing that as an ECW Reunion show, considering Vince has exclusive rights to "ECW" and the fact ECW One Night Stand will probably be released on DVD as well.

Chances are it will be released from someone like RF Video or Smart Mark Video, not anything national.

[nl5xsk1 0]

Heyman pounded the fact that this PPV needed some of the guys that are currently under contract to TNA. So, WWE recently contacted TNA about using Jerry Lynn, Kid Kash, Shane Douglas, and Raven for the show. TNA politely told them to fuck off.

Stupid move by TNA ... this could have been a symbiotic agreement that helped the WWE in the short term, but helped TNA much more, and for a much longer term as well.

 

Imagine the number of wrestling fans that haven't watched TNA ever that could have seen some of their wrestlers on the ECW reunion, and then potentially followed them to the TNA PPVs.

[Guest MikeSC]

Reason #478 why I love Shane Douglas.

 

No offense to the ECW talent already under contract to WWE, but they've wasted them and shat on them for YEARS now.  No matter how much Big Stevie Cool or Rhyno or Dreamer meant to ECW, no one is going to pay $30 for matches they saw on Heat for the last three years.

They'd pay money to see Sandman, Sabu, etc when they wouldn't pay to see them in TNA?

 

This is just showing that some of the ECW guys lost what few functional brain cells they had left from their stint there.

 

Oh well. ECW was overrated trash anyway.

 

And Shane plans on getting PPV clearance...how, exactly?

-=Mike

..."Come on guys, work for me. It's be JUST like ECW. Well, namely, you won't be paid..."

[Guest Loss]

I hope Ric Flair and the Clique jump Shane Douglas in an alley someday. Seriously.

[Guest MikeSC]

I hope Ric Flair and the Clique jump Shane Douglas in an alley someday. Seriously.

I think Shane Douglas hits a Jim Cornette comment even better than Bret Hart:

 

If he'd been screwed as much as he claims, they'd have struck oil by now.

-=Mike

[Zack Malibu 0]

Reason #478 why I love Shane Douglas.

 

No offense to the ECW talent already under contract to WWE, but they've wasted them and shat on them for YEARS now.  No matter how much Big Stevie Cool or Rhyno or Dreamer meant to ECW, no one is going to pay $30 for matches they saw on Heat for the last three years.

They'd pay money to see Sandman, Sabu, etc when they wouldn't pay to see them in TNA?

 

This is just showing that some of the ECW guys lost what few functional brain cells they had left from their stint there.

 

Oh well. ECW was overrated trash anyway.

 

And Shane plans on getting PPV clearance...how, exactly?

-=Mike

..."Come on guys, work for me. It's be JUST like ECW. Well, namely, you won't be paid..."

I never said they'd pay to see Sabu, Sandman, etc. I said they wouldn't pay $30 for the WWE B-team.

[Guest Trivia247]

Credit: PWTorch.com Newsletter

 

The latest word is that WWE is not going to try and block anything to do with Shane Douglas's show on June 10th and it will probably let it's talent work the show in addition to the June 12th show which the WWE is producing. As reported earlier, Heyman is going to be working as a consultant along with Jim Ross, Stephanie McMahon, Tommy Dreamer and John Laurenaitis.

 

 

This I think is a smart move for them. If they don't try to show that they have any problem with Douglas putting on his own show and even allow ECW allums currently under contract to work on their show then perhaps those wrestlers working for Douglas may feel differently on not getting the big pay day on a WWE based ECW PPV.

[Slickster 0]

I'm just thinking that with all the major ECW alums locked up for Douglas' show, there's not a lot of available talent know predominantly for their ECW tenure that they can get. Unless, of course, people WANT to see Donn E. Allen vs. The Rockin' Rebel on PPV. So this card might have a lot of non-ECW guys on it (see: Heyman's attempt to get TNA guys to work on it).

 

I figure that if they want to make money off the ECW concept, try and recreate it with Heyman at the helm. Give him X amount of money per month and get him exclusive rights on the Hammerstein Ballroom and a syndication deal similar to what Hardcore TV had. Basically, let him do what he wants with only minor interference from the WWE BOD (primarily on financial matters). Heyman is a good booker (though not a perfect one) and can create compelling TV. Let him try to recreate ECW and let One Night Stand be just the beginning.

[CBright7831 0]

Unless you can get...

 

RVD

Shane Douglas

Steve Corino

Tazz

Tommy Dreamer

Raven

Bam Bam Bigelow

Most of the Dudleys

Sabu

Axl Rotten

Balls Mahony

Chris Benoit

Eddie Guerrero

Dean Malenko

Stevie Richards

Nova

Cactus Jack

The Sandman

The Blue Meanie

Steve Austin

Mickey Whipreck

Rhyno

Jerry Lynn

 

Just to name a few, on the show, you're ECW show is pretty much fucked.

[Guest Shadow]

Why go after TNA workers? Ring of Honor has a great pool of workers they could use for this show and wouldn't be giving TNA a rub under the premise of this

 

"ECW was the home of young superstars looking to make their break in america, and tonight in that spirit, some of today's youngest and future stars will perform here at ECW One Night Stand."

 

Get Samoa Joe, CM Punk, Dragon, Maff and Whitmer, Homicide, Aries, Evans and a couple others.

 

Im not saying make it a ROH PPV. However, if you use 2-6 of them, it would greatly help WWE make up for not getting those TNA guys and even for the lost of sandman, sabu and douglas.

[NoCalMike 0]

I don't think it matters exactly who is on the show or not. People bought the ECW DVD in masses, and unless you are prepared to make a claim that everyone who bought it was just an old ECW mark coming out from under a rock, then it is obvious that there is still interest in the ECW brand/mystique. The PPV might not be great, due to Vince/WWE writing etc....but that doesn't mean people won't be interested in buying it to see what it is all about.

 

Quite frankly I don't care if Nunzio is a jobber on Smackdown, I would rather watch Nunzio vs. Tajiri for 20 minutes, then having to watch Tomko vs. Maven for 30 seconds.

 

People should be able to suspend enough reality also, since it is an "ECW" ppv, then I am not sure quite how much their role on regular WWE programming is going to matter, ala just because they are a jobber on Smackdown, does not mean the commentators and atmosphere will be treating them like that on this ppv. If people have watched the DVD, then they know a lot of these WWE "jobbers" were a big part of ECW, and at one time were a part of the show that made it very good.

[Guest LooneyTune]

There's no law that says a wrestler can't work two different shows ina span of 3 days, so please, stop using the "HAHA Shane Douglas is stealing people from WWE's ECW show!" because he isn't. Indy workers (Not signed with TNA of course) are not contractual obligated to not work for another promotion.

 

Still, WWE's PPV is going to suck when it's going to be "A Very Special Heat/Velocity" when it comes to most of the roster unless the McMahons pull some miracles out of their asses.