Canada says no to missle defense scheme

[cbacon 0]

http://www.cbc.ca/story/canada/national/20...nada050224.html

 

Canada has said no to the U.S. missile defence program, Prime Minister Paul Martin announced Thursday.

 

I've never understood how anyone could say 'yes' to a dangerous program that only encourages further weapons races as an attempt to protect a threat that doesn't even exist.

 

"We simply cannot understand why Canada would in effect give up its sovereignty – its seat at the table – to decide what to do about a missile that might be coming towards Canada," said Paul Cellucci.

 

Serious threat eh? There's a lot to be paranoid about. The megalomaniac super-power of every era had the world against them.

 

Mr. Cellucci just made the mistake of thinking Canada has the same enemies the US does. Failure.

[NoCalMike 0]

*anxiously awaits a new "why do we even protect those socialist fools to the north from being gassed and nuked" article by Ann Coulter*

[Guest Failed Mascot]

Why does Canada need a missle defense system when nobody has any problems with them? Canada doesn't go around starting shit with other countries so nobody has any problems with them. If somebody were to attack them it would be verbally because they keep calling what is ham; "Bacon".

[Dogbert 0]

Well, we're just as Western a culture as you guys are.

 

If the Islamic fundies really have a problem with Western civilization, then we're just as vulnerable as you are.

[2GOLD 0]

The Missle defense shield is a joke anyway. If someone fires a nuke, the crap is hitting the fan anyway. Even if we block it, the US isn't just going to shrug it's shoulders like, "oh well, we won't return fire".

 

One nuke fired means the end of civilization cause someone will fire at the first country that fired, and then their ally will fire and so on and so on.

 

The shield is worthless.

[Jingus 0]

If America does ever get nuked, Canada is fucked too. Radiation fallout can be carried for hundreds of miles on the wind. And nobody ever said that ICBMs had perfect pinpoint accuracy. Toronto isn't that far from the border.

[Vern Gagne 0]

Mr. Cellucci just made the mistake of thinking Canada has the same enemies the US does. Failure.

 

They do. Their called Muslme terrorist. They don't discriminate, they want to kill everyone whose not exactly like them.

[Vyce 0]

*anxiously awaits a new "why do we even protect those socialist fools to the north from being gassed and nuked" article by Ann Coulter*

If she writes it, it might be the first time I ever agree with her on a subject.

[Guest cosbywasmurdered]

Mr. Cellucci just made the mistake of thinking Canada has the same enemies the US does. Failure.

 

They do. Their called Muslme terrorist. They don't discriminate, they want to kill everyone whose not exactly like them.

and if they manage to defeat America, we'll worry about them then.

[Justice 0]

Mr. Cellucci just made the mistake of thinking Canada has the same enemies the US does. Failure.

 

They do. Their called Muslme terrorist. They don't discriminate, they want to kill everyone whose not exactly like them.

and if they manage to defeat America, we'll worry about them then.

I'm sure Spain was saying the exact same thing.

[cbacon 0]

Well, we're just as Western a culture as you guys are.

 

If the Islamic fundies really have a problem with Western civilization, then we're just as vulnerable as you are.

 

 

They do. Their called Muslme terrorist. They don't discriminate, they want to kill everyone whose not exactly like them.

 

To say that terrorist attacks are a result of "Muslims hating freedom and democracy" is to say that you clearly have an unrealistic grasp of the world. If that were the case you'd be seeing attacks on places like Amsterdam and Sweden.

 

Seriously, all it takes is a bit of research and rational thought. Western culture isn't they're cup of tea, but the most obvious issues include the immense slaughter of Iraqi civilians during the Gulf War, the devestation of Iraq's population via US sanctions throught the past decade, the US's role in supporting Israel's occupation of Palestinian territories, it's support for brutal dicatorships throughtout the Middle East that repesss local populations and so on and on. Now, i'm not saying that all of their reasons are justified, some are , some aren't, but to totally ignore these issues and pass off terrorist attacks as a result of 'a hatred of Western culture and democracy' is just plain ignorant and a product of typical media rhetoric.

 

In short, Canada's safety is better served if we cut off military ties with the States. The reckless policies of the Bush administration may put us in a precarious position. Distancing ourselves from US policies would serve our best interests from any supposed backlash.

[Jobber of the Week 0]

Now, i'm not saying that all of their reasons are justified, some are , some aren't, but to totally ignore these issues and pass off terrorist attacks as a result of 'a hatred of Western culture and democracy' is just plain ignorant and a product of typical media rhetoric.

Exactly what reasons justify killing thousands of innocents that have little weight in setting the country's foreign policy actions?

 

Inquiring minds want to know. I'm biting my nails over here in anticipation.

 

In short, Canada's safety is better served if we cut off military ties with the States. (...) Distancing ourselves from US policies would serve our best interests from any supposed backlash.

Well, it's always good to know who your friends are, I guess...

[Vern Gagne 0]

Not seeing attacks doesn't mean they aren't being planned. France and Germany have both arrested dozens of terror suspects. Ge it through your head, they don't care who they target. Do you think for a moment if they could take down the Eiffel Tower, or the CN Tower and kill hundreds of thousands they wouldn't?

 

 

What they're calling for is a gov't similiar to Iran, or Afghanistan under Taliban control. The issues as a whole aren't being ignored, but civilized muslems in the middle east are who we're dealing with.

[Jingus 0]

To say that terrorist attacks are a result of "Muslims hating freedom and democracy" is to say that you clearly have an unrealistic grasp of the world. If that were the case you'd be seeing attacks on places like Amsterdam and Sweden.

Holland & Sweden haven't been ignored because they terrorists like them. The extremist ideology followed by Al Quaeda and similar groups calls for the violent death of ALL nonbelievers. The simple fact is that those two countries are too small and too politically inactive to warrant any attention. Islamic terrorists have operated in or planned attacks on Canada, France, Britain, Germany, Spain, pretty much every major Western power.

 

Seriously, all it takes is a bit of research and rational thought. Western culture isn't they're cup of tea, but the most obvious issues include the immense slaughter of Iraqi civilians during the Gulf War,

Which has been massively exaggerated time and time again.

 

the devestation of Iraq's population via US sanctions throught the past decade,

Those were UN sanctions. And they were the direct fault of Saddam Hussein, when he went back on his own word and repeatedly refused to follow the UN guidelines he accepted after his failed invasion of Kuwait.

 

the US's role in supporting Israel's occupation of Palestinian territories,

The US has been more helpful in moving forth the peace talks between Israelis and Palestinians than any other country in the world. The Muslim extremists have made no secret of the fact that they want to kill all the Israelis and take the land for themselves; America has simply helped stop that from happening. (And let's not forget that the Muslims invaded and stole the land from the Jews in the first place.)

 

it's support for brutal dicatorships throughtout the Middle East that repesss local populations and so on and on.

This is the only reason that even approaches a real mistake on the US's part, and even then it's a paper tiger, since brutal dictators like the Taliban gave the terrorists more aid and support than anyone.

 

Now, i'm not saying that all of their reasons are justified, some are , some aren't, but to totally ignore these issues and pass off terrorist attacks as a result of 'a hatred of Western culture and democracy' is just plain ignorant and a product of typical media rhetoric.

None of their reasons justify the mass murder of thousands of innocent civilians.

 

In short, Canada's safety is better served if we cut off military ties with the States. The reckless policies of the Bush administration may put us in a precarious position. Distancing ourselves from US policies would serve our best interests from any supposed backlash.

Like I said earlier, WMDs tend to ignore invisible lines like international boundaries. If America falls, so does Canada.

[Guest MikeSC]

They do. Their called Muslme terrorist. They don't discriminate, they want to kill everyone whose not exactly like them.

To say that terrorist attacks are a result of "Muslims hating freedom and democracy" is to say that you clearly have an unrealistic grasp of the world. If that were the case you'd be seeing attacks on places like Amsterdam and Sweden.

 

 

 

Still missed Zarqawi's comments, eh? You know, the whole democracy is evil statement he made shortly before the Iraqi election?

 

I figured as much.

Seriously, all it takes is a bit of research and rational thought. Western culture isn't they're cup of tea, but the most obvious issues include the immense slaughter of Iraqi civilians during the Gulf War

But NOT the slaughter of Kuwaitis by Iraqis?

 

Hate to break it to you, they weren't fond of Iraq, either.

 

Hell, OBL has stated his beef with America is that troops are in Arabia.

the devestation of Iraq's population via US sanctions throught the past decade

Thank you, Noam Chomsky.

 

You, apparently, missed the utter devastation of their economy with that whole 8 year war with Iran.

the US's role in supporting Israel's occupation of Palestinian territories

You mean the territories Israel won from its Arab neighbors when they attacked and lost?

 

Tough shit.

it's support for brutal dicatorships throughtout the Middle East that repesss local populations and so on and on.

It almost makes me weep that you don't realize how asinine this assumption of yours is.

Now, i'm not saying that all of their reasons are justified, some are , some aren't, but to totally ignore these issues and pass off terrorist attacks as a result of 'a hatred of Western culture and democracy' is just plain ignorant and a product of typical media rhetoric.

Or it's listening to their comments, rather than simply looking for any reason to blame America for all of this.

In short, Canada's safety is better served if we cut off military ties with the States.

Because, God knows, Canada hasn't had the benefit of America defending your worthless asses for the last century or so.

The reckless policies of the Bush administration may put us in a precarious position. Distancing ourselves from US policies would serve our best interests from any supposed backlash.

Please, do that.

 

Then afford a health care system when you actually have to spend on your defense, you fucking useless freeloaders.

-=Mike

[Jobber of the Week 0]

Holy crap, I'm shocked that Mike didn't pick up on the same vibe I did (that "some of these reasons justify terrorism" bit.)

 

I thought it'd spawn at least two uses of "sub-human monkeys" and a surreal moment where we're both arguing the same side of an issue.

 

Although the latter is still happening.

[Guest MikeSC]

C-Bacon is a fucking moron.

 

If one of the monkeys decided to kill his family for spawning him, it'd be quite justified.

-=Mike

[The Metal Maniac 0]

Because, God knows, Canada hasn't had the benefit of America defending your worthless asses for the last century or so.

 

I wouldn't say century.

 

Remember those world wars? Yeah, we did our own fighting there, thanks.

 

And honestly; has the US ever fought to defend Canada against any Canadian specific attacks without us at least doing something? My history isn't strong in this area, but I don't recall anything...

 

I'm against missle defense anyway. I can't see it doing anything but making people launch MORE nukes against the states should the time come.

 

And besides, I thought Muslim terrorists were the enemies now. Where are they gonna get ICBMs? Don't you think they'd use things like suitcase nukes instead?

[RavishingRickRudo 0]

You know, the other day there was an attack here in Mississauga by those damned Russians and I was about to surrender to them when out-of-nowhere an American saved me.

 

My Government doesn't show their appreciation, but I do.

 

Thank you for defending me, America.

[tommytomlin 0]

Didn't Canada enter both World War 1 and World War 2 BEFORE the United States?

[Vyce 0]

Didn't Canada enter both World War 1 and World War 2 BEFORE the United States?

That was both back when Canada gave a shit about the British commonwealth and weren't run by government officials who share a little too deeply the European policy of appeasement.

[RavishingRickRudo 0]

Wouldn't appeasement be following the US?

[cbacon 0]

Exactly what reasons justify killing thousands of innocents that have little weight in setting the country's foreign policy actions?

 

Inquiring minds want to know. I'm biting my nails over here in anticipation.

 

I never said the attacks were justified. I was implying that their reasons for hating the west are. I thought that much was pretty clear, given the context of what I was replying to.

 

The rest of this conservative clap trap i cover in the Iraq debate thread.

 

Still missed Zarqawi's comments, eh?

 

I forgot Zarqawi was the official spokesman of the Arab world, sorry

 

C-Bacon is a fucking moron.

 

If one of the monkeys decided to kill his family for spawning him, it'd be quite justified.

-=Mike

Please, do that.

 

 

Then afford a health care system when you actually have to spend on your defense, you fucking useless freeloaders.

-=Mike

 

Awww, I made poor Mikey upset.

[Guest MikeSC]

Nah. I just wish for the "justified" terrorists to unleash their "justified" fury upon you and your family.

 

It'd be the only way you'd actually get a clue.

-=Mike

[Guest cosbywasmurdered]

Mike wishing death on people is so cute.

[cbacon 0]

That's the spirit.

 

Now, go ahead and read my reply. Given your history on these boards, I realize reading comprehension is far beyond grasp. However, i'm sure if you stare at the screen long enough, something will click and you'll begin to understand that nowhere in this thread did I say that terrost attacks were justified. But it's gonna take a little self restraint Mike, I know it's hard for you to deliberately choose to take things out of context. It's ok, I believe in you.

[Guest MikeSC]

That's the spirit.

 

Now, go ahead and read my reply. Given your history on these boards, I realize reading comprehension is far beyond grasp.

Comprehending meaningless gibberish is a problem for most people.

However, i'm sure if you stare at the screen long enough, something will click and you'll begin to understand that nowhere in this thread did I say that terrost attacks were justified.

That is exactly what you were saying.

But it's gonna take a little self restraint Mike, I know it's hard for you to deliberately choose to take things out of context. It's ok, I believe in you.

Quoting you directly was taking you out of context?

 

Man, you really suck at this whole thinking thing.

-=Mike

[Guest MikeSC]

To say that terrorist attacks are a result of "Muslims hating freedom and democracy" is to say that you clearly have an unrealistic grasp of the world. If that were the case you'd be seeing attacks on places like Amsterdam and Sweden.

Holland & Sweden haven't been ignored because they terrorists like them. The extremist ideology followed by Al Quaeda and similar groups calls for the violent death of ALL nonbelievers. The simple fact is that those two countries are too small and too politically inactive to warrant any attention. Islamic terrorists have operated in or planned attacks on Canada, France, Britain, Germany, Spain, pretty much every major Western power.

Actually, the Muslim states don't attack Europe much because they don't need to. Europe will capitulate come hell or high water.

 

Again, does anybody wish to go into the aftermath of the killing of Theo Van Gogh? Europe has a problem with a "tolerance society" that is now being undermined by Muslim immigrants coming in who don't have much need for tolerance themselves. Europe could well become a version of the Middle East in the future --- all because their citizens tend to be too blind to recognize obvious problems.

Now, i'm not saying that all of their reasons are justified, some are , some aren't, but to totally ignore these issues and pass off terrorist attacks as a result of 'a hatred of Western culture and democracy' is just plain ignorant and a product of typical media rhetoric.

None of their reasons justify the mass murder of thousands of innocent civilians.

I'm curious as to WHICH justifications exist to defend killing innocents. Since he said SOME are valid justifications...

-=Mike

[cbacon 0]

Now, i'm not saying that all of their reasons are justified, some are , some aren't, but to totally ignore these issues and pass off terrorist attacks as a result of 'a hatred of Western culture and democracy' is just plain ignorant and a product of typical media rhetoric.

- Me

 

Ok, care to point where I said the attacks were justified? This was of course into reply to Verne Gagne's comment which was basically saying "They attack us because they hate our freedom!"

[Guest MikeSC]

Now, i'm not saying that all of their reasons are justified, some are , some aren't, but to totally ignore these issues and pass off terrorist attacks as a result of 'a hatred of Western culture and democracy' is just plain ignorant and a product of typical media rhetoric.

- Me

 

Ok, care to point where I said the attacks were justified? This was of course into reply to Verne Gagne's comment which was basically saying "They attack us because they hate our freedom!"

That whole "SOME ARE (justified)" comment.

 

Just as I thought, you don't actually read your own posts.

-=Mike