We got Pope smoke...

[Special K 0]

I'm torn. I hate teachers AND cell phones. WHATEVER SHALL I DO.

 

AD kicks ass.

[kkktookmybabyaway 0]

Also, I think the best thing public education has going for it right now is in programs like Teach for America and AmeriKorps.

Any program that is deemed a "volunteer" program, but pays money is a fucking joke to begin with. (Not the ideals of said program, but the way it is being pimped.)

 

And, MMM, have you decided to return, my prodigal poster?...

[Big Ol' Smitty 0]

So you guys are just arguing kinda snippily some more. I'm actually fine with that.

 

POPE'D

 

(Also, I think the best thing public education has going for it right now is in programs like Teach for America and AmeriKorps. That's the way to go about improving public education in shit districts: take eager as hell college kids for whom $25-40k is an exciting salary, throw them in a high school that needs them, and let them teach something they care about. Once I get my master's I think I'm going to do a two-year term for one of these guys.)

Teach for America is really big right now--and very competitive. A lot of people from the Ivy Leagues are doing it. My roommate didn't make it this year and she has an excellent GPA and undergrad record.

[Edwin MacPhisto 0]

My roommate cruised into it, but I think he's going to UVA law instead. Apparently the interview and teaching demo are way more important than academic record stuff.

 

And KKK, I'm not sure I get what you mean when you say

Any program that is deemed a "volunteer" program, but pays money is a fucking joke to begin with. (Not the ideals of said program, but the way it is being pimped.)

Mostly these programs are pimped as such: We've got some shitty school districts, we need people who'll staff them and improve them, and we're going to pay you decent money as an incentive to do it. I don't think it's so much hollow as it is smart. Very few people fresh out of college with the chance to make a decent salary for the first time in their live are going to be willing to teach in Assville, Mississippi or shitty parts of cities like Baltimore for, say, just a housing stipend.

[Edwin MacPhisto 0]

And hey, the Pope!

[EricMM 0]

The pope looks like Hannibal Lecter

[Jobber of the Week 0]

Goddamnit, this thread is so fucking gay that Elton John would think it's a little too colorful.

 

 

And I can't believe I'm not responsible for ruining it, either.

[kkktookmybabyaway 0]

And KKK, I'm not sure I get what you mean when you say...

Whenever I read about Americorps it's always pimped as some hippie "volunteer" program, when in fact the people that sign up for it get paid. It's just one of my many bugaboos about various things...

[SuperJerk 0]

Teach for America is hilarious.

 

Kids fresh out of college with no training think they can snap their fingers and do the job better than trained professionals.

 

Even if you spend 4 years of college preparing, you're still going to suck at it for a few years before you get it right.

[Edwin MacPhisto 0]

It's not that they think they can do the job better, in most cases. It's that nobody else will do the job. If you're willing to go into a shitty underfunded school without prospects of career advancement, please do, because you will do a better job, duh. But I wouldn't expect someone with a lot of experience to take on all those burdens. Need is need.

[kkktookmybabyaway 0]

Kids fresh out of college with no training think they can snap their fingers and do the job better than trained professionals.

They can because they're in it for the love of the job while you suits are in it for the money...

[cbacon 0]

You don't see other religions passing death sentences on writers for writing books that they feel are blasphemo

 

 

That's right... Islam passed that death sentence, not muslims.

 

Rents, if you do read the Koran you'd know that true Islam is inherently violent.

 

I have read translations of it, and I don't see how it's more violent than Judaism, or for that matter, christianity sects that follow the old testament.

 

A cult that focuses on nothing but death. Islam is a cult that ONLY is about death.

 

Only about death? I must be talking to the wrong muslims, because that isn't exactly a hot-topic word for them. Most of them spew rherotic about "service", "loyality" and "praise" alot more than "death".

 

And before someone uses the "select few extremist' argument, it seems odd that there are SO many more "extremists" than "mainstream" cultists in the Cult of Death.

 

Where exactly do you get these stats from? Because considering that there's roughly 1.4 billion muslims in the world, I would think that if the "extremists" were the mainstream, 9/11 would be the least of our worries.

 

But it must be my imagination that Muslims tend to hack up anybody who questions the Koran.

 

It must be.

 

Gee, which religion tends to have its adherents buying a startlingly large number of copies of "Mein Kampf"?

 

 

I believe that regardless of the growing popularity of Mein Kampf in places such as turkey (a growing popularity that could be contributed to the fact the book sells for about 3 bucks). But of course, if you read it, your automatically a neo-nazi right?

 

Gee, which religion glorifies homicide bombers?

 

Umm... Just about every religion excluding Jainism, Taoism, and Buddhism.

 

UOTE

What religion forced little girls to burn to death because they weren't dressed "modestly" enough

 

That's right... Islam did that. Not Muslims

 

You think Christians are hard to deal with in the States? Try living in a Muslim theocracy and see how much you enjoy life.

 

In an attempt to understand your incoherent and radical mindset, i'd like to pose this:

 

How might you describe the side of the argument you're on? That's a patriotic form of argument. Would you say that gets often confused with as an argumentative form of 'prejudice/discrimination' the rhetoric suggests on your part? I'm taking a defensive role until you clarified the argument positionally as you already have done.

 

I've met a number of Muslims in my life, and none of them have been particularly violent people. And I've had conversations with them about topics such as religion and politics, topics where you would think violence or obsession with death would come up (though, for that matter, aren't all religions "death cults" to some degree? I mean, one of the main focuses of any religion is death, and almost all religions have martyrs).

 

At any rate, here's a question I'd like you to answer - what makes Islam a cult if Christianity and Judaism aren't? Islam is an extension of Judaism, just like Christianity, so it seems to me as though if one were a cult the others would have to be as well.

[SuperJerk 0]

It's not that they think they can do the job better, in most cases. It's that nobody else will do the job. If you're willing to go into a shitty underfunded school without prospects of career advancement, please do, because you will do a better job, duh. But I wouldn't expect someone with a lot of experience to take on all those burdens. Need is need.

You know why inner city schools suck so much?

 

Administrators who let kids get away with everything.

 

 

I'm speaking from first-hand experience here.

[Highland 0]

Wow, from Otaku to the battle between public and private schooling, this thread about the Pope has it all. I petition that this thread never be closed.

[kkktookmybabyaway 0]

You know why inner city schools suck so much?

 

Administrators who let kids get away with everything.

Really? I'd say it's because of all the black kids...

[SuperJerk 0]

I've met a number of Muslims in my life, and none of them have been particularly violent people. And I've had conversations with them about topics such as religion and politics, topics where you would think violence or obsession with death would come up (though, for that matter, aren't all religions "death cults" to some degree? I mean, one of the main focuses of any religion is death, and almost all religions have martyrs).

 

At any rate, here's a question I'd like you to answer - what makes Islam a cult if Christianity and Judaism aren't? Islam is an extension of Judaism, just like Christianity, so it seems to me as though if one were a cult the others would have to be as well.

Acknowledging such a connection would require them to actually know something about Islam, which they clearly do not.

[Styles 0]

That's right... Islam passed that death sentence, not muslims.

 

 

That's right... Islam did that. Not Muslims

What type of an argument is that? The Crusades wasn't anybodies fault...Christianity did it, not Christians!

[Guest MikeSC]

You don't see other religions passing death sentences on writers for writing books that they feel are blasphemo

That's right... Islam passed that death sentence, not muslims.

You don't see Christian priests passing death sentences against people who annoy them.

Rents, if you do read the Koran you'd know that true Islam is inherently violent.

I have read translations of it, and I don't see how it's more violent than Judaism, or for that matter, christianity sects that follow the old testament.

You are aware that there is no such thing as a Christian sect that follows the Old Testament, right?

 

Without the New Testament, there isn't, you know, CHRISTIANITY.

A cult that focuses on nothing but death. Islam is a cult that ONLY is about death.

Only about death? I must be talking to the wrong muslims, because that isn't exactly a hot-topic word for them. Most of them spew rherotic about "service", "loyality" and "praise" alot more than "death".

No, the ones you have made up in your mind are irrelevant.

 

They preach about the peacefulness of Islam --- yet there is never a shortage of homicide bombers. Odd.

 

It's only been, oh, 26 YEARS. I'm sure it is just a phase of the Cult of Death's where they have decided to intentionally target innocents.

And before someone uses the "select few extremist' argument, it seems odd that there are SO many more "extremists" than "mainstream" cultists in the Cult of Death.

Where exactly do you get these stats from? Because considering that there's roughly 1.4 billion muslims in the world, I would think that if the "extremists" were the mainstream, 9/11 would be the least of our worries.

Ask people of other faiths who have the curse to live in a Muslim state how good life is for them.

Gee, which religion tends to have its adherents buying a startlingly large number of copies of "Mein Kampf"?

I believe that regardless of the growing popularity of Mein Kampf in places such as turkey (a growing popularity that could be contributed to the fact the book sells for about 3 bucks). But of course, if you read it, your automatically a neo-nazi right?

No --- just a virulent anti-Semite.

Gee, which religion glorifies homicide bombers?

Umm... Just about every religion excluding Jainism, Taoism, and Buddhism.

I've missed the Christians who are praised for slaughtering the infidels.

 

Ditto Jews.

 

Ditto Hindus.

 

Hello, outside of cult of Deathists, I can't name one.

What religion forced little girls to burn to death because they weren't dressed "modestly" enough

That's right... Islam did that. Not Muslims

Ah, the old canard of "Islam is peaceful --- it's those damned Muslims you have to watch out for", eh? Got it.

I've met a number of Muslims in my life, and none of them have been particularly violent people. And I've had conversations with them about topics such as religion and politics, topics where you would think violence or obsession with death would come up (though, for that matter, aren't all religions "death cults" to some degree? I mean, one of the main focuses of any religion is death, and almost all religions have martyrs).

See, you're what we call a "limp noodle" who will never criticize anybody for anything truly evil. You prefer to punish a jaywalker and let a mass murderer go free.

 

When you never challenge them --- and I have no reason to believe you do --- it's kinda hard for them to ever get upset.

 

Ask them to defend how Sharia can treat women like that and still pretend that Islam is less than misogynistic and see how well it goes.

At any rate, here's a question I'd like you to answer - what makes Islam a cult if Christianity and Judaism aren't? Islam is an extension of Judaism, just like Christianity, so it seems to me as though if one were a cult the others would have to be as well.

Christianity and Judaism bring good to the world.

 

There is no benefit to Islam, whatsoever.

-=Mike

[SuperJerk 0]

Kind of sad that Christians are so quick to condemn Islam, since Mohammed only had nice things to say about Christians.

[Slayer 0]

Muslims for Jesus!

[Guest MikeSC]

Kind of sad that Christians are so quick to condemn Islam, since Mohammed only had nice things to say about Christians.

Well, when he wasn't advocating killing all infidels.

 

I find it endlessly hilarious that you find the treatment of homosexuals in the US to be "reminiscent" of the Nuremberg laws --- but defend Islam in spite of its massive and repeated excesses.

-=Mike

...Not allowing adoption? NAZI!

Slaughtering untold innocents? MISUNDERSTOOD RELIGION OF PEACE!...

[SuperJerk 0]

Kind of sad that Christians are so quick to condemn Islam, since Mohammed only had nice things to say about Christians.

Well, when he wasn't advocating killing all infidels.

 

I find it endlessly hilarious that you find the treatment of homosexuals in the US to be "reminiscent" of the Nuremberg laws --- but defend Islam in spite of its massive and repeated excesses.

Actually, there are things about every religion I deplore, but I understand them well enough to know not to dismiss everything about them as being bad.

[Guest MikeSC]

Man, that is SO Nuermberg-esque.

-=Mike

...Do you realize how fucking idiotic your comparison was yet?

[SuperJerk 0]

Man, that is SO Nuermberg-esque.

-=Mike

...Do you realize how fucking idiotic your comparison was yet?

Do you realize that Slapnuts and I already settled that argument...almost an hour ago...on a completely different thread?

[Guest MikeSC]

Yes. You continued to stand by your fucking idiotic comparison.

-=Mike

...News Flash: Slapnuts isn't Mike...

[Your Paragon of Virtue 0]

Can someone point me to a passage in the Qu'ran where it says to kill the infidels?

 

It's a win-win situation for me, whether it's there or not, at least in terms of an argument. I'd like to know, at this point I don't think it is but everyone else tells me it is. So the burden of proof is on those who make that claim.

 

Thanks in advance.

[SuperJerk 0]

Yes. You continued to stand by your fucking idiotic comparison.

                    -=Mike

Actually, we decided we were arguing over semanitics, rather than substance.

 

And it was on a completely different thread.

 

 

...News Flash: Slapnuts isn't Mike...

 

No, you're not, because he's actually reasonable.

[Guest MikeSC]

Yes. You continued to stand by your fucking idiotic comparison.

                    -=Mike

Actually, we decided we were arguing over semanitics, rather than substance.

 

And it was on a completely different thread.

I don't care what YOU agreed to.

 

Your comparison was fucking moronic from step one. Going to Nazism simply took an ALREADY idiotic comparison and made it a joke.

...News Flash: Slapnuts isn't Mike...

No. He's actually reasonable.

I think you've, yet again, mistaken me for somebody who gives two damns what you think.

-=Mike

[SuperJerk 0]

I think you've, yet again, mistaken me for somebody who gives two damns what you think.

And yet there you sit, DAY AFTER DAY, trying to convince me that you're right.

 

Its as if you need my approval or something.

[Guest MikeSC]

I think you've, yet again, mistaken me for somebody who gives two damns what you think.

And yet there you sit, DAY AFTER DAY, trying to convince me that you're right.

 

Its as if you need my approval or something.

Nah. You can keep thinking that, though.

 

You don't see me linking to your old posts.

-=Mike

...Of course, your posts tend to be dull...