One and Only Star Wars Geekiness Thread

[Spaceman Spiff 0]

When Lucus decided to replace Shaw with Hayden for the head shot in the ending of the DVD version of "Jedi"...

Neat. What else did they add in the new DVD set?

Well, Jabba doesn't look like shit anymore and looks more like himself from Episode IV. Although I still wonder how his ass got around with no legs.

 

They also replaced the original Emperor (a lady with a super imposed Chimp eye voice by Clive Revill) with Ian McDiarmid (the Emperor from I, II, III, and VI).

That's incorrect. McDiarmid played Palpatine in 1983's Return of the Jedi as well, then came back to reprise that role in Phantom Menace.

 

His filmography certainly states so.

He's talking about ESB, in which McDiarmid didn't play the Emperor (until they reshot the footage for the box set).

[Shanghai Kid 0]

One thing I don't understand is the idea that Anakin went from 'good' to 'bad'. I don't really see it that way. Their was always a cloud of doubt about Anakin from the Jedi Counsil, and Anakin himself was fairly arrogant and cocky, he wanted to breakthrough and be the best jedi no matter what. I don't think they really established him as a great person, they established his potential to become the greatest Jedi, but his mindset always seemed to be "Sith'ish. Palpatine just took advantage and turned what easily could be described as a Sith who was trained by Jedis.

 

Way I see it, and it's consistent with the series, his ultimate motivation is to become the most powerful person in the universe and run things. You saw hints of him wanting to be the most powerful in the PT, and it's definetly there in the OT. Did he redeem himself in ROTJ? Yes, but, it's pretty clear that if you mess with his family your going to get killed. No matter if he's on the good side of the dark side, it's now well established through 6 movies that when his family is taken away for him or threatened to be taken away, the rage inside comes out in him.

 

The Emperor should of damn well known that torturing Luke infront of him was going to set him off. Some look at it as vindication and redemption that he killed the Emperor, I just think now you can see that it was perfectly plausible from his history that no matter who you are you can't screw with the guys family. Was it him turning against the darkside or was it him just doing what he's always done, try his damndest to protect the ones he loves?" He definetly fufilled the prophecy, not Luke.

[cabbageboy 0]

Precisely. Anakin in the last 2 prequels was hardly a choir boy. There was always a hint of the darkside there, from his backtalking Obi Wan to wasting the sand people.

 

It's wild how the prequels give new meaning to stuff we've already seen in ROTJ. What seemed at the time like "Vader turns good and destroys the Emperor" basically turns out to be "Vader is protective of his family and doesn't want the Emperor to kill Luke."

[Shanghai Kid 0]

Gotta give Lucas credit though, he has made the ending to ROTJ much more thought provoking and powerful. Vader definetly has a deeper character now, I just don't think it was a story of a "a great person going bad and coming back good at the end". The decision he makes in ROTJ to throw the Emperor is no different than his decision in ROTS to save the Emperor from Mace, it's all consistent with the idea that the guy will do anything to protect his family which is priority #1, I still think priority #2 has always been for him to rule the universe and be the most powerful.

[CBright7831 0]

When Lucus decided to replace Shaw with Hayden for the head shot in the ending of the DVD version of "Jedi"...

Neat. What else did they add in the new DVD set?

Well, Jabba doesn't look like shit anymore and looks more like himself from Episode IV. Although I still wonder how his ass got around with no legs.

 

They also replaced the original Emperor (a lady with a super imposed Chimp eye voice by Clive Revill) with Ian McDiarmid (the Emperor from I, II, III, and VI).

That's incorrect. McDiarmid played Palpatine in 1983's Return of the Jedi as well, then came back to reprise that role in Phantom Menace.

 

His filmography certainly states so.

that's what he said...

That's exactly what I thought.

 

Oh well.

[cabbageboy 0]

Yeah, think of it this way. Anakin's main motive in the film to join the Emperor is the potential security for his wife (keeping Padme alive) and his unborn kid(s). Basically at the end of ROTJ Anakin/Vader realizes that the Emperor really doesn't give a shit about his family when he tries to kill Luke, so he finally turns on the Emperor and I'd assume his eyes were opened to a lot of other things too.

[Black Lushus 0]

yeah but unlimited power was also a determining factor as well...look at his anger with Obi-Wan for not pushing him to his potential in ATOC...look at his anger with the council for not giving him his due and making him a master...granted his love for Padme was the primary driving force, but that boy wanted to be powerful enough to do anything...Palpatine granted that whereas the Jedi would not...

[SuperJerk 0]

Gotta give Lucas credit though, he has made the ending to ROTJ much more thought provoking and powerful. Vader definetly has a deeper character now, I just don't think it was a story of a "a great person going bad and coming back good at the end". The decision he makes in ROTJ to throw the Emperor is no different than his decision in ROTS to save the Emperor from Mace, it's all consistent with the idea that the guy will do anything to protect his family which is priority #1, I still think priority #2 has always been for him to rule the universe and be the most powerful.

I can agree with that.

[Kaertos 0]

I think Anakin has an inferiority complex. Seriously. I mean, way back in TPM, he gets ticked when Padme asks "You're a slave?"

 

"I'm a person and my name is Anakin."

 

He never really gets out of that mindset, always trying to prove he's more than a slave-boy from a backwater world. He wants to prove he is the best because (he thinks) everyone still thinks of him that way.

 

Add that to his love of Padme and this was a Jedi waiting to fall.

[Open the Muggy Gate 0]

So I went with my girlfriend to see the movie yesterday... and DAMN did I love it. I don't know where I would rank it right now... but it's definitely up there in the top 3. I enjoyed it a lot.

 

We are gonna here the words "Order 66" for a long, long time.

[Secret Agent 0]

Well I just saw it and I think it's certianly the best of the prequels. However, for some reason, Darth Vader's suit just looked rather dated compared to everything else in the movie.

 

I do have one question though as I think I missed it, but did Obi Wan take Anakin's lightsaber before leaving him legless and crispy? He does give it to Luke in the orginal so i figured that'd probably be where he got it... I just didn't see him take it.

[Black Lushus 0]

I'm almost positive he does...

[caboose 0]

I didn't notice Obi pick it up, but then again I was wiping back the tear I shed.

 

I've said too much...

[Art Sandusky 0]

Obi-Wan picks it up before he leaves, and there's even a close shot of it as he does so.

[Guest Vitamin X]

When Lucus decided to replace Shaw with Hayden for the head shot in the ending of the DVD version of "Jedi"...

Neat. What else did they add in the new DVD set?

Well, Jabba doesn't look like shit anymore and looks more like himself from Episode IV. Although I still wonder how his ass got around with no legs.

 

They also replaced the original Emperor (a lady with a super imposed Chimp eye voice by Clive Revill) with Ian McDiarmid (the Emperor from I, II, III, and VI).

That's incorrect. McDiarmid played Palpatine in 1983's Return of the Jedi as well, then came back to reprise that role in Phantom Menace.

 

His filmography certainly states so.

that's what he said...

No he said the original Emperor wasn't Ian McDiarmid. But Spiff pointed out that I was mentioning ESB, not ROTJ like I was.

 

I didn't notice Obi pick it up, but then again I was wiping back the tear I shed.

 

I've said too much...

Obi did indeed pick it up. I'm surprised at how emotional this movie made a lot of people.. My mom barely remembered much from the original trilogy, and after I saw Ep.III, I've sort of geeked out over Star Wars, and we've been watching the whole saga over the past week (ROTJ comes tommorrow!). I've explained to her a lot of things, and she saw Ep.III, and she also cried at the scene where Anakin was left crispy and legless, screaming.

 

It just might be the most moving film of the 6.

[BlackFlagg 0]

I think Anakin has an inferiority complex. Seriously. I mean, way back in TPM, he gets ticked when Padme asks "You're a slave?"

 

"I'm a person and my name is Anakin."

 

He never really gets out of that mindset, always trying to prove he's more than a slave-boy from a backwater world. He wants to prove he is the best because (he thinks) everyone still thinks of him that way.

 

Add that to his love of Padme and this was a Jedi waiting to fall.

I can see that, a "Scrooge syndrome" of sorts, like people who grow up poor and then go on to become massively succesful and rich but always trying to get more money and become more powerful trying to escape what they used to be.

[CBright7831 0]

Ian McDiarmid wasn't the original Emperor. In TESB The Emperor was played by a women with a chimpanze eyes super imposed over her's and the voice was provided by Clive Revill.

[ChrisMWaters 0]

Anyone notice that Obi-Wan lied big-time to Luke in Ep IV after seeing Ep III?

 

Never did Anakin say that he wanted Luke to have his lightsaber when he was old enough.

[caboose 0]

I didn't notice Obi pick it up, but then again I was wiping back the tear I shed.

 

I've said too much...

I'm surprised at how emotional this movie made a lot of people.. My mom barely remembered much from the original trilogy, and after I saw Ep.III, I've sort of geeked out over Star Wars, and we've been watching the whole saga over the past week (ROTJ comes tommorrow!). I've explained to her a lot of things, and she saw Ep.III, and she also cried at the scene where Anakin was left crispy and legless, screaming.

 

It just might be the most moving film of the 6.

I saw Phantom Menace recently and the seen where his mom tells him not to look back is the basis of it all for me.

 

I know Jake Lloyd wasn't great but imagine being eight years old and being separated from your mom, especially if she was your only parent. Fast forward 15 or so years and the the same kid is screaming he hates the man who tried to be his dad, (who was also forced cut three of his limbs off), while trying to crawl up a bank with one arm. Its just the complete fall into madness and desperation of a man who was meant to be the greatest of all.

 

That and the ROTJ scene when Vader taunts Luke about Leia are tied for me. But I'll have to go see ROTS again to be sure.

 

(If only Lucas had made a greater effort to make Obi-Wan and Anakin seem more like best pals in AOTC.)

 

 

Anyone notice that Obi-Wan lied big-time to Luke in Ep IV after seeing Ep III?

 

Never did Anakin say that he wanted Luke to have his lightsaber when he was old enough.

 

I think it can be interpreted as Obi-Wan meaning he believes the former Anakin Skywalker would've wanted Luke to have it.

[Art Sandusky 0]

Anyone notice that Obi-Wan lied big-time to Luke in Ep IV after seeing Ep III?

 

Never did Anakin say that he wanted Luke to have his lightsaber when he was old enough.

Yoda and Obi-Wan were planning on waiting until the children were of age to possibly bring down the Sith themselves. It was a huge leap of faith in Anakin and the infants' future abilities on their part, but it paid off.

 

'sides, had Luke grown up with Vader, he would have surely been given a lightsaber at some point anyway.

[ChrisMWaters 0]

OK...possibly points made there with the lightsaber issue.

 

Also...read an interesting trivia fact: whenever Leia shoots a blaster at a target in the trilogy, she always (or almost always) hits her target.

 

...maybe that was intentional...a unknowing using of The Force to help her aim her shots?

[CBright7831 0]

Some deleted scenes:

 

 

Fuel leak in the hangar bay.

 

 

General Grievous kills Shaak Ti.

 

 

Anakin and Obi Wan escape from the droids.

 

 

Other cut scenes from the Episode III 'Making Of' book.

 

 

Anakin kills Shaak Ti in the Jedi Temple

[The Ill One 0]

Anakin taking down Shaak Ti looks pretty cool. Could've been good.

[ChrisMWaters 0]

Anakin taking down Shaak Ti looks pretty cool. Could've been good.

There's always the chance that it'll appear in the DVD.

[CBright7831 0]

Yeah, Rick McCallum said that there will be five or six scenes on the DVD that were cut from the film.

[CBright7831 0]

Another deleted scene:

 

 

The birth of the Rebel Alliance

[Vern Gagne 0]

Why didn't they include the scene where Anakin kills Shaak Ti? We never saw Anakin actually kill any Jedi.

[DrVenkman PhD 0]

Interesting... I had read that the Vader unmasking in ROTJ was totally redone with Hayden but that site says all they did was CGI Sebastian Shaw's face to change his eye colour and remove eyebrows.

[Guest Fook]

Shaak Ti has it rough. He (she?) is killed by both Anakin and Grievous.

[ChrisMWaters 0]

Interesting... I had read that the Vader unmasking in ROTJ was totally redone with Hayden but that site says all they did was CGI Sebastian Shaw's face to change his eye colour and remove eyebrows.

They must have errored.

 

Hayden only replaces Shaw in the final shots.