One and Only Star Wars Geekiness Thread

[CBright7831 0]

I'd like to see the cause behind the Dagobah tree overflowing with the darkside...I'm sure EU has mentioned this, like Yoda confronted and killed a dark Jedi there...is that the official story?

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I went to go look this up, and this is what I found in Yoda's databank:

 

Another tale of Yoda's past involves stopping a swath of destruction cut by Dark Jedi from Bpfassh. One of these dark siders had gotten as far as Dagobah, were Yoda bested him in direct confrontation. The Bpfasshi Jedi died, his dark Force absorbing into and twisting a nearby tree -- forming a dark side nexus. It is believed that Yoda chose Dagobah as his hiding place due to the dark side energies emanating from the tree. From a distance, Force-users like the Emperor would not detect Yoda since the master's bright light side presence would be canceled by the Bpfasshi dark side presence.

 

http://starwars.com/databank/character/yoda/?id=eu

 

EDIT - To everyone who just clicked on to this page, go back to page 38 and look at new pics from the ROTS DVD.

[Anakin Flair 0]

Glad to see that scene will be back in.

[pochorenella 0]

Wonder what the hell happened to that ship. Did it get lost in the swamp or something?

[caboose 0]

Thats the problem with Lucas, he answers one question and creates another one.

[Kaertos 0]

True, but this isn't really either a vital question or a difficult to solve one. There are a lot of places you can lose a ship that size ina swamp the size of a planet.

 

On the other hand, I remember Luke saying the scanners weren't picking up any sign of technology... maybe Yoda launched the ship back into space and it went... elsewhere.

[Black Lushus 0]

I think Lucas likes to leave a lot to the imagination, which is fine by me...

[caboose 0]

I wouldn't agree with that. The three prequels could have had flashing neon signs throughout them pointing out plot points, and it still would have been less obvious than the dialogue hammering points over the head of the audience.

[Black Lushus 0]

interesting take, caboose...give some examples of that case, I didn't really feel like that was going on, but I'm curious on your opinion....

[caboose 0]

1)The scene in Episode III when Obi-Wan switches on the security video to see Anakin killing padawans.

 

Rather than Obi-Wan simply looking disappointed and thus implying the fact that he feels let down, a notion the audience is going to understand and pick up on having watched both Episode II and being in the middle of Episode III, Lucas makes sure the script has Obi-Wan stating his disappointment several times.

 

2) The romance of Episode II.

 

While Han-Leia was hardly Shakespeare, it was written in a way so that Han and Leia's attraction towards one another was implied and only fully realised upon their first kiss.

 

In contrast, Lucas had Anakin proclaiming his love at least twice before Padme finally kissed him. While it can be pointed out that Anakin could not control his emotions, there are other ways to demonstrate him torturing himself about it without blatantly begging Padme for some loving.

 

3) Scientifically explaining the Force.

 

Deeming that the Force is made of little living organisms is hardly leaving it to the imagination is it?

[The Metal Maniac 0]

He does leave some stuff to the imagination though. Like, Anakin's birth. It's never really explained how a virgin birth took place, but Palpatine does state that Darth Plageuis was able to create life - but he never says that was the cause of Anakin's birth. And besides, he could be lying.

[Black Lushus 0]

that's more or less the kind of stuff I see...caboose, you make good points, but I think dialogue is necessary in those cases...I'm talking things like Yoda going to Dagobah and his life there, Obi-Wan's life after dumping Luke off, deep shit like Metal mentioned...

[caboose 0]

He does leave some stuff to the imagination though. Like, Anakin's birth. It's never really explained how a virgin birth took place, but Palpatine does state that Darth Plageuis was able to create life - but he never says that was the cause of Anakin's birth. And besides, he could be lying.

 

I suppose so, but is blatantly ripping of the virgin births of Jesus, Krishna etc. leaving things to the imagination?

[Black Lushus 0]

not if you imagine that Sideous created Anakin...Satan didn't create Jesus...well he does create the Anti-Christ, but not THAT way...

[caboose 0]

I thought everyone agreed that Sidious and Plagueis being able to create life was just a story fed to Anakin.

[10 Pounds 0]

While we're at it with unanswered questions......before Anakin turns, is the Emperor at Windu's mercy or he's faking it ?

[The Metal Maniac 0]

He's at Windu's mercy, Windu being one of the most powerful Jedi ever.

 

Also, I don't really get this:

 

I suppose so, but is blatantly ripping of the virgin births of Jesus, Krishna etc. leaving things to the imagination?

 

I don't see how not explaining the how and why of Anakin's virgin birth ISN'T leaving things to the imagination.

[ChrisMWaters 0]

He's at Windu's mercy, Windu being one of the most powerful Jedi ever.

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I have to disagree.

 

I think that he's faking, so Anakin would see the Jedi as agressors, and make him more likely to turn to the Dark Side.

 

But that's just me, and I've never read the book which might explain otherwise on the matter.

[caboose 0]

I suppose so, but is blatantly ripping of the virgin births of Jesus, Krishna etc. leaving things to the imagination?

 

I don't see how not explaining the how and why of Anakin's virgin birth ISN'T leaving things to the imagination.

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I don't think its leaving it to peoples imagination if Lucas is directly referencing parts of religious scripts.

 

If Shmi had said she didn't know who the father was, there would be many possible explanations to debate as opposed to stating there was no father. Even if Sidious' story is a viable option there is two choices rather than multiple explanations.

 

As for Windu, I still do not understand why people think he got the better of Sidious.

 

Episode III made it clear that almost everything upto the Anakin/Obi-Wan standoff was pretty much down to his manipulation. Windu was just a pawn.

[The Metal Maniac 0]

Even if Sidious' story is a viable option there is two choices rather than multiple explanations.

 

Which means that it isn't totally cut-and-dried. There are different ways to look at it, thus, it is left to the imagination. Not many ways, true, but all I was originally trying to say is that not everything in the Star Wars movies is made exceptionally painfully obvious (though I do agree that a fair bit of stuff is).

 

As for the Windu bit, I dunno; while I do see how it could have been part of his scheme, it seems like it was a bit too risky; he need to rely on Anakin deciding to disobey Mace Windu and go there in the first place, Mace Windu not killing him until Anakin arrived, and Anakin making the right choice, again, before Windu decided to kill him. That's a fair bit left to chance, even if you can forsee the future somewhat.

 

I mean, it just seems to me like planning to be unarmed, at the business end of the lightsaber blade of one of the most powerful Jedi, is pretty damned silly. I think it makes more sense that he planned to battle the Jedi and have Anakin bust in *before* he was put in such a risky position.

 

But hey, that's just my opinion.

[Anakin Flair 0]

I think that Palpatine knew that, if Anakin sided with Mace and the Jedi, he was dead anyway. So he put everything on one big gamble- and won.

 

Mace NEVER had the upper hand in that fight. Palpatine slew three Jedi Masters in less than a minute. The only reason he drew it out with Mace was so that Anakin could arrive and see the aggresive Jedi looming over the defensless old man.

[The Metal Maniac 0]

But again, by all accounts, Mace Windu is one of the most powerful Jedi. Like, #2, right behind Yoda. None of those other guys were, so Palpatine's skills against them don't mean much, in comparison.

 

Also, on Starwars.com, it says this:

 

Windu overpowered Palpatine the instant Anakin Skywalker came running into the offices.

 

in Palpatine's bio.

 

I'd like to hear what Lucas has to say on the matter though. Part of me wants to say that I saw somewhere that he said that Windu beat Palpatine, but that could just be me being a crackhead.

[Justice 0]

Windu is right behind Yoda when it comes down to things, and he is arguably the greatest saberist around. I don't think it's too hard to believe that he got beaten fair and square.

 

Another point would be that he faced down Windu knowing he'd be beaten in combat, but that he was sure enough that Anakin would be there to save him that he took the risk. Once he told Anakin what he was, he was beyond the point of no return.

[Art Sandusky 0]

Windu totally had Palps. He's got that badass dark fighting style and all Palpatine could do was stab around like a bitch. Mace is breaking windows and shit and you say he's losing? Shit.

[Kaertos 0]

I don't think so. It strikes me I'd read somewhere that Mace is the greatest of all the Jedi when it comes to lightsaber fighting. I think Palpatine was ready for him, but I think that Mace had the upper hand towards the end of the fight. Palpatine needed Anakin to intervene or he would have been killed.

 

He was so overpowering against Yoda later because the Dark Side had gained in power by Anakin's acts.

 

One interesting thought though... what if Mace had won? What if Anakin had let him finish off Palpatine? Anakin had a point that it was a violation of the Jedi Code (strictly speaking). How far towards the Dark Side would Mace Windu have slid?

[Black Lushus 0]

killing Palpatine in cold blood once he had him down would have sent him to the darkside...Mace was right in holding off...if it was in the heat of the battle, that would have been different as he was defending himself (Palps attacked first, use the force for defense, never for attack)...

[Dandy 0]

You can't really make the argument that Palpatine was defenseless. He had no saber on him at the time, but he still had the force and force lightning. How is that unarmed? Palpatine dispersed of Mace right after Anakin interfered. That was all he needed. He had to act like he was helpless to get Anakin to turn.

 

I'm not sure how the fight would have turned out if Anakin wasn't there, but the entire thing was a master plan by Palpatine. He had been pulling the strings for a LONG time, and this was his plan to turn Anakin to the Dark Side.

[Boon 0]

Yeah, you see if YOU can hold off force lightning after your friggan hand gets sabered off and you've got no weapon.

[Kaertos 0]

As far as Mace sliding towards the darkside if he kills Palpatine, it doesn't matter if Palpatine is actually defenseless, as long as Mace thinks he is when he commits the act.

[Dandy 0]

Yeah, you see if YOU can hold off force lightning after your friggan hand gets sabered off and you've got no weapon.

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Well maybe that's what I'll do, smart guy!!

 

(Homer Simpson reference)

[Conspiracy_Victim 0]

*descends into geekdom*

 

About the Palpatine/Windu fight, I referred back to the written word to see what was said. The novel kind of contradicts itself. It has Windu as being able to counter Palp's lightsaber and lightning due to his use of the Vaapad style of fighting, which uses an opponent's own energy against him to create an impasse until Windu finds and focuses on his opponent's weakness to defeat him.

 

The book goes into Windu feeling Palp's fear and using it against him, only to have Palp declare that it wasn't HIS fear. Whether he meant it was Windu's own fear, Anakin's fear, or if he was just lying the book is unclear.

 

Personally speaking, I'd tend to believe that Windu had Palpatine in trouble and Palp got bailed out by Anakin.