Boon 0 Report post Posted May 7, 2005 Interesting article on espn.com about why Shaq should be the MVP, according to some. Somebody mentioned that Nash's team did better w/o him. While that may be true (6+ wins) you can't really discount how much better his new team did with him. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MikeJordan23 0 Report post Posted May 8, 2005 Steve Nash, Phoenix (65) 1,066 Shaquille O'Neal, Miami (58) 1,032 Dirk Nowitzki, Dallas 349 Tim Duncan, San Antonio (1) 328 Allen Iverson, Philadelphia (2) 240 LeBron James, Cleveland 93 Tracy McGrady, Houston 44 Dwyane Wade, Miami 43 Amare Stoudemire (1) 41 Ray Allen, Seattle 41 Kevin Garnett, Minnesota 15 Gilbert Arenas, Washington 4 Vince Carter, New Jersey 3 Marcus Camby, Denver 3 P.J. Brown, New Orleans 1 Shawn Marion, Phoenix 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Electrifyer 0 Report post Posted May 8, 2005 Wow... who voted for PJ Brown? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest news_gimmick Report post Posted May 8, 2005 No kidding, talk about a long shot. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
A Happy Medium 0 Report post Posted May 8, 2005 ...Pat Riley? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AlwaysPissedOff 0 Report post Posted May 9, 2005 And I'd like to know, aside form perhaps Jason Kidd, just who these "number of PG's" are that would have made the impact that Nash did in Phoenix. Would that be with or without Amare Stoudomire seeing as he was injured and missed 27 games last season? Not to say I favor Shaq as the MVP either, but really, there was no real stand out player during the year that deserved to be MVP, IMO. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ripper 0 Report post Posted May 9, 2005 The suns SUCKED last year with Amare and without him. They SUCKED when Nash went down this year. Jason Terry, Devin Harris, Jerry Stackhouse, Erick Dampier, more minutes for Howard and Daniels means that Dallas rehauled their team. If they JUST removed Nash, then okay, you have a point. They did alot of things to make the team better. I don't see how you take a lottery team and say if they didn't add Nash they all of a sudden would have been winners. The Heat, if they hadn't traded for Shaq would have still been a top 2 seed in the East. Thats right...Top 2. People forget how many games Wade missed last year AND the fact that he was a rookie and not the number one offensive threat and that would have changed this year. IMO I think that Wade should have gotten more MVP votes than Shaq, but hey, thats just me. Not saying that Shaq didn't make the team better, but basically you guys are arguing that a team that made the second round of the playoffs last year would have been losers without Shaq and a team that won 33 less games last year and a lottery team would have been winners if they didn't add Nash. It makes no sense. Amare was better because of Nashs abilities, Marion was Marion, and Joe Johnson wasn't a bitch(which was nice for a change). At the end of the day Steve Nash lead a team with no bench to the best record in the NBA. MVP sez I. And I didn't even think the addition of Nash would work. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
starvenger 0 Report post Posted May 9, 2005 Steve Nash, Phoenix (65) 1,066 Shaquille O'Neal, Miami (58) 1,032 34 points is all that separated the two. That practically makes them co-MVPs. Although it doesn't, really. Anyways, there's no way that you can say that Nash is undeserving of the title. Shaq, equally so, but I think he's used to the NBA writers taking him for granted not giving him the MVP award. So congrats to Captain Canada for being the second shortest MVP ever... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ripper 0 Report post Posted May 10, 2005 I have never understood the "shaq should be the MVP every year" argument anyway. Take Duncan from the Spurs, Garnett from the T-Wolves, Kidd from the Nets and NASH from the Suns and you are looking at more than lottery teams. You are looking at teams the Atlanta Hawks would count as a W on their schedule. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites