CanadianGuitarist Posted May 12, 2005 Report Posted May 12, 2005 Who overachieved the most? I'm expecting about 200 responses of JBL, but who else? Did Billy Gunn really deserve 7 Tag Title Runs and a King of The Ring? Considering Bret, Owen, HHH, Austin, Angle and Lesnar are all KOTR champs, I say no. On that note, add Viscera/Mabel. No business any higher than upper midcard. And from a booking standpoint, I mark out for monster heels. I'm also fully aware I mis spelled overachievers in the topic.
CanadianChris Posted May 12, 2005 Report Posted May 12, 2005 Anyone who was ever WWF/E champion and weighed less then 240 lbs. overachieved in my eyes. Getting Vince to put the title on you when you're not a big guy is an incredible accomplishment.
Carnival Posted May 12, 2005 Report Posted May 12, 2005 Brock, Orton, Batista.....anyone who got shoved like these guys.
Hoff Posted May 12, 2005 Report Posted May 12, 2005 Bret Hart? The guy is one of my favorite workers, ever, but here's a guy who was barely six feet, under 250 pounds, and the straight man on his tag team. He's a decent promo guy, but he's ever been on the level of the guys like Rock, Austin, Hogan, Flair, etc. And yet this guy worked his way up the ladder to become a five-time WWF champion, at one point synonymous with the company. It's not that he didn't deserve any of it, because he's phenomenal in-ring, but the fact that he did so in the valley of the giants is pretty astounding.
The Metal Maniac Posted May 12, 2005 Report Posted May 12, 2005 Brock, Orton, Batista I don't think it's fair to toss Batista in there. Orton and Brock both got huge pushes and were given the title pretty early on, Brock moreso then Orton. Whereas Batista was D-Von's lackey for a while, then he was some guy in Evolution, then once the fans warmed up to him, he started to get the big push to the title. It just seems to me that Brock and Orton were always going to be champions, whereas Batista just managed to get over with the fans and eventually get that spot.
UseTheSledgehammerUh Posted May 12, 2005 Report Posted May 12, 2005 Billy Gunn had 10 tag title runs (3 w/ Bart Gunn, 5 w/ The Road Dogg, 2 w/ Chuck). Since the tag titles are the pinnacle of mediocrity and have no importance, I'd say Gunn was a perfect fit to be the "Arn Anderson/Bobby Eaton" (ha!) of WWE.
King Cucaracha Posted May 12, 2005 Report Posted May 12, 2005 Technically, overachieving would be if you got somewhere despite not having the usual 'credentials' to be there. Vis has the size and he was never anything more than the 'big guy'. He got pushed, but he flopped. I wouldn't call that overachieving. Ditto Batista. He has the physique and he's got the cool factor. I wouldn't say him being where he is was over achieving. As long as you have something to justify being where you are, when you reach it, you haven't really 'overachieved'. I'd say Luger overachieved. He got beyond the 'muscle man' tag and had a decent run near the top in WCW and the WWF, despite lacking a lot of in-ring ability and natural charisma. He was more successful than he ever should have been.
Beast Posted May 12, 2005 Report Posted May 12, 2005 The pinnacle of overachieving, as in actually getting over, is SID.
eiker_ir Posted May 12, 2005 Report Posted May 12, 2005 i would say Jericho, for such a small guy going from Cruiserweight champ to winning the WCW and WWF title the same night it's a big step up. Plus he has the record for most IC championships, and has won like every title there has been in WCW,WWF multiple times.
UseTheSledgehammerUh Posted May 12, 2005 Report Posted May 12, 2005 If you average the technical skill and charisma of every WWF/WWE champion ever, Jericho is far above the middle line. I don't think he's an overachiever.
eiker_ir Posted May 13, 2005 Report Posted May 13, 2005 yeah i know, i was saying it because of his size, he's not a big guy like the WWE usually likes . Like Bret was mentioned before.
Only The Strong Survive Posted May 13, 2005 Report Posted May 13, 2005 Yokozuna... he was WWF Champion twice right? Now that's workrate for you...
Ripper Posted May 13, 2005 Report Posted May 13, 2005 Hogan. He was a bald, bad promo giving, bad ring performer. If you really think about it, he didn't have the look since he started balding, was orange, and didn't really have the greatest of bodies in the sport at the time, he really gave shitty promos as he just kinda yelled alot, and he was pretty boring and paint by numbers in the ring. Even as a mark, you knew what was coming in a hogan match. Heels finisher, hogan kicks out and hulks up yadda yadda yadda wins match. Yet he is the most over wrestler in the recent history of the sport.
PLAGIARISM! Posted May 13, 2005 Report Posted May 13, 2005 I can't call Hogan's promos bad, cause they were very instrumental in his rise to prominence. That includes his early heel ones.
CheesalaIsGood Posted May 13, 2005 Report Posted May 13, 2005 Kevin Nash. Guy had shit for talent, but thanks to working with some decent people managed to get himself a title run in the WWF.
Kahran Ramsus Posted May 13, 2005 Report Posted May 13, 2005 Davey Boy Smith. He had decent talent, but he was always considered by far to be the weakest of the team. Then DK got hurt, and Davey Boy got all the glory. On the same topic, Rick Steiner. He was always over as a midcarder in the 80s, but then he managed to leech off of his brother for the next 12 years and build a good career for himself.
The Decemberists Posted May 13, 2005 Report Posted May 13, 2005 Brutus Beefcake. I know it was only really because he was Hogan mate, but the guy main evented SummerSlam 89 and Starrcade 94 for Gods sake!
Shooting Star Posted May 14, 2005 Report Posted May 14, 2005 Bruno Sammartino He was pretty boring in the ring I think the only reason he got over was for being italian.
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