snuffbox Posted June 23, 2005 Report Posted June 23, 2005 Carlos Lee and Brady Clark are both having All-Star seasons in Milwaukee...its too bad Milwaukee doesnt actually exist in MLB.
UseTheSledgehammerUh Posted June 23, 2005 Report Posted June 23, 2005 So much for "Watch...Griffey will start."
KingPK Posted June 23, 2005 Report Posted June 23, 2005 Here's my ballot: AL C- J. Varitek, BOS 1B - M. Teixeira, TEX 2B - A. Soriano, TEX 3B - B. Mueller, BOS SS - M. Tejada, BAL OF - J. Damon, BOS OF - T. Nixon, BOS OF - M. Ramirez, BOS DH - D. Ortiz, BOS NL C - R. Hernandez, SD 1B - A. Pujols, STL 2B - C. Utley, PHI 3B - D. Wright, NYM SS - C. Izturis, LAD OF - B. Abreu, PHI OF - P. Burrell, PHI OF - C. Lee, MIL Ok, ok, so it's Homerpalooza on the AL side (at least I didn't vote for Millar and Bellhorn, unlike some people I saw at Fenway last Sunday), but hey, Nixon's playing well.
Brett Favre Posted June 23, 2005 Report Posted June 23, 2005 Not better than Sheff. Mueller over A-Rod!? I know it's homerpalooza but PLEASE!
KingPK Posted June 23, 2005 Report Posted June 23, 2005 I've got 24 more votes, so I'll throw 4 over to A-Rod to make you happy.
Brett Favre Posted June 23, 2005 Report Posted June 23, 2005 It's all I ask. It looks like no AL Central player will start.
Guest Brian Posted June 23, 2005 Report Posted June 23, 2005 Garland or Buehrle might get the nod to pitch.
snuffbox Posted June 24, 2005 Report Posted June 24, 2005 Carlos Lee - 66 RBI, leads the NL... 20 HR, 3rd in the NL Carlos Lee's position in All-Star outfield voting - 15th. Baseball fans sure are an educated lot
EVIL~! alkeiper Posted June 24, 2005 Report Posted June 24, 2005 Carlos Lee - 66 RBI, leads the NL... 20 HR, 3rd in the NL Carlos Lee's position in All-Star outfield voting - 15th. Baseball fans sure are an educated lot <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Yeah, because all baseball fans filled out their All-Star ballots at the exact moment Carlos Lee led the league in home runs (while playing in a favorable hitting park of course). Carlos Lee ranks about 14th in eligible outfielders in on base percentage. I haven't voted for him, since he is not a top three outfielder. And if I haven't voted for him, having read the statistics and understood them, what makes it such a travesty that no one else has?
Bored Posted June 25, 2005 Author Report Posted June 25, 2005 Top 10 N.L. Outfielders VORP 1. Bobby Abreu 2. Miguel Cabrera 3. Jason Bay 4. Brian Giles 5. Adam Dunn 6. Carlos Lee 7. Brady Clark 8. Andruw Jones 9. Pat Burrell 10. Jim Edmonds OPS 1. Bobby Abreu 2. Adam Dunn 3. Miguel Cabrera 4. Jim Edmonds 5. Jason Bay 6. Brian Giles 7. Moises Alou 8. Pat Burrell 9. Carlos Lee 10. Andruw Jones Win Shares 1. Bobby Abreu 2. Brian Giles 3. Luis Gonzalez 4. Brad Wilkerson 5. Adam Dunn 6. Jim Edmonds 7. Carlos Lee 8. Brady Clark 9. Jason Bay 10. Cliff Floyd
snuffbox Posted June 25, 2005 Report Posted June 25, 2005 Anybody who leads the league in RBI (an important stat, imo) should be on an All-Star team.
Precious Roy Posted June 25, 2005 Report Posted June 25, 2005 I've been voting Abreu, Cabrera, Lee on all my ballots. The only other guy I considered was Bay.
Guest Posted June 25, 2005 Report Posted June 25, 2005 Anybody who leads the league in RBI (an important stat, imo) should be on an All-Star team. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Well, he's going to be on the NL All Star team, but he's not going to start.
snuffbox Posted June 25, 2005 Report Posted June 25, 2005 If Carlos Lee played for NY/LA/Chicago he'd start...to me, that just takes away from the All-Star game. The league RBI leader doesnt start because he happens to play in a smaller market. Oh well, Im sure the All-Star game will contiue to bring in huge ratings...
EVIL~! alkeiper Posted June 25, 2005 Report Posted June 25, 2005 If Carlos Lee played for NY/LA/Chicago he'd start...to me, that just takes away from the All-Star game. The league RBI leader doesnt start because he happens to play in a smaller market. Oh well, Im sure the All-Star game will contiue to bring in huge ratings... <{POST_SNAPBACK}> You are ten years behind in your statistics. There are several reasons the league RBI leader should not start in the All-Star game... 1. There is no guarantee Carlos Lee will be the league RBI leader by the time the All-Star game rolls around. 2. RBIs are a situation-dependant statistic. Carlos Lee hits behind two batters (Brady Clark and Lyle Overbay) sporting .390 OBPs. That amounts to MANY RBI opportunities. How many batters enjoy the same number of baserunners? 3. RBIs are not a direct indication of hitting skill. Batting average, on base percentage, slugging percentage, runs created, win shares, etc. are all better statistics for judging a player's overall ability. 4. Carlos Lee benefits from hitting in a good hitters' environment. Among NL outfielders, Lee is 19th in batting average, 20th in OBP, 4th in slugging percentage, 10th in OPS, 7th in hits, 13th in runs scored, 10th in RC/27 (runs created per 27 outs), and 7th in Win Shares. On top of that, he enjoys an average defensive reputation. But because he's first in RBIs, he's an All-Star? That's stupid. I'm sorry, but there's no other way of saying it. RBIs are a virtually worthless statistic. It is bad enough players win MVP awards because of them.
UZI Suicide Posted June 25, 2005 Report Posted June 25, 2005 I wouldn't say RBI's are useless. It's not like any Joe Schmoe can hit 3rd in a lineup and drive in 120 runs. There's a reason nearly the same guys are at the top of the RBI statistics each year, despite changing teams or the players hitting in front of them changing. Lee this year is hitting .309 with a 1.020 OPS with RISP, with 8 HR's. That's the name of the game, scoring runs. I don't think RBI is the be all end of all of stats and I don't think it is among the most important things to consider for a player, but it should definitely be a factor.
snuffbox Posted June 25, 2005 Report Posted June 25, 2005 RBI is a worthless stat...I guess the OBP players can just find their own way home.
Bored Posted June 25, 2005 Author Report Posted June 25, 2005 I wouldn't say RBI's are useless. It's not like any Joe Schmoe can hit 3rd in a lineup and drive in 120 runs. Vinny Castilla led the N.L. in RBI last year with 131. He's fairly Schmoey.
UZI Suicide Posted June 25, 2005 Report Posted June 25, 2005 I wouldn't say RBI's are useless. It's not like any Joe Schmoe can hit 3rd in a lineup and drive in 120 runs. Vinny Castilla led the N.L. in RBI last year with 131. He's fairly Schmoey. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> He also played in Coors Field last year.
EVIL~! alkeiper Posted June 25, 2005 Report Posted June 25, 2005 RBI is a worthless stat...I guess the OBP players can just find their own way home. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> There is nothing in RBIs that I can not learn from reading more relevant statistics. And they're particularly bothersome when someone who wishes to hype an undeserving candidate hides behind them yelling "RBIs! RBIs!". Especially when there are NINE outfielders hitting better. Brian Giles has a better OPS while hitting in the worst hitters' park in the majors. He's more deserving. Jim Edmonds has a better OPS while playing excellent defense in center field. Carlos Lee probably deserves an All-Star slot. He's not a deserving starter. And on top of that, I would be surprised if he actually leads the league in RBIs at the All-Star break. And then his presence in the lineup would look quite awful.
Bored Posted June 30, 2005 Author Report Posted June 30, 2005 http://mlb.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/news/article..._id=mlb#results Mark Teixeira has blown past Tino Martinez.
snuffbox Posted June 30, 2005 Report Posted June 30, 2005 I agree that Carlos Lee shouldnt be a starter...but he clearly deserves to be on the team. And the homerun derby.
EVIL~! alkeiper Posted June 30, 2005 Report Posted June 30, 2005 I agree that Carlos Lee shouldnt be a starter...but he clearly deserves to be on the team. And the homerun derby. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Lee will doubtless be the Brewers' representative, and I have no problem seeing him in the Derby.
snuffbox Posted June 30, 2005 Report Posted June 30, 2005 Whats your take on Brady Clark? Hes been slumping a bit of late, and if Lee cant get voted in, Im sure Brady has no chance.
EVIL~! alkeiper Posted June 30, 2005 Report Posted June 30, 2005 Whats your take on Brady Clark? Hes been slumping a bit of late, and if Lee cant get voted in, Im sure Brady has no chance. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I've liked Clark for awhile. His skills tend to be underrated so he has no realistic shot at the All-Star game. He'd be a borderline choice, but it is such a crowded group that I couldn't see giving him the nod for the first time.
Bored Posted July 1, 2005 Author Report Posted July 1, 2005 Edited: I realized I didn't pick anyone for the Twins. Bored's All-Star Predictions This is not who I think should go to the All-Star Game, it's who I think will go to the All-Star Game. I'm sticking with the current vote leaders as the starters. AMERICAN LEAUGE C: JASON VARITEK, Boston; Jorge Posada, New York; Ivan Rodriguez, Detroit 1B: MARK TEIXEIRA, Texas; Mike Sweeney, Kansas City 2B: BRIAN ROBERTS, Baltimore; Alfonso Soriano, Texas 3B: ALEX RODRIGUEZ, New York; Melvin Mora, Baltimore; Eric Chavez, Oakland SS: MIGUEL TEJADA, Baltimore; Derek Jeter, New York OF: MANNY RAMIREZ, Boston; VLADIMIR GUERRERO, Los Angeles; ICHIRO SUZUKI, Seattle; Johnny Damon, Boston; Gary Sheffield, New York; Torii Hunter, Minnesota DH: DAVID ORTIZ, Boston; Travis Hafner, Cleveland SP: ROY HALLADAY, Toronto; Mark Buehrle, Chicago; Jon Garland, Chicago; Bartolo Colon, Los Angeles; Kenny Rogers*, Texas; Matt Clement, Boston; Freddy Garcia, Chicago RP: Mariano Rivera, New York; B.J. Ryan, Blatimore; Dustin Hermanson, Chicago; Eddie Guardado, Seattle; Danys Baez, Tampa Bay *Status obviously up in the air. NATIONAL LEAGUE C: MIKE PIAZZA, New York; Paul Lo Duca, Florida 1B: ALBERT PUJOLS, St. Louis; Carlos Delgado, Florida 2B: JEFF KENT, Los Angeles; Craig Biggio, Houston 3B: SCOTT ROLEN, St. Louis; Aramis Ramirez, Chicago SS: CESAR IZTURIS, Los Angeles; David Eckstein, St. Louis; Felipe Lopez, Cincinnati OF: BOBBY ABREU, Philadelphia; JIM EDMONDS, St. Louis; CARLOS BELTRAN, New York; Carlos Lee, Milwaukee; Andruw Jones, Atlanta; Miguel Cabrera, Florida; Jason Bay, Pittsburgh; Moises Alou, San Francisco; Preston Wilson, Colorado DH: DERREK LEE, Chicago SP: DONTRELLE WILLIS, Florida; Roger Clemens, Houston; Pedro Martinez, New York; Chris Carpenter, St. Louis; Roy Oswalt, Houston; Livan Hernandez, Washington; Brandon Webb, Arizona; Jake Peavy, San Diego RP: Chad Cordero, Washington; Billy Wagner, Philadelphia; Jason Isringhausen, St. Louis; Brad Lidge, Houston The N.L. could go a million different ways so I'll probably be way off.
MikeJordan23 Posted July 1, 2005 Report Posted July 1, 2005 Updating Lee has suprassed Pujols by 49, 110 Eckstein has surpassed Izturis by 337, 131 votes Johnny Damon has surpassed by Ichiro Suzuki 126, 556 votes
Cuban Linx Posted July 1, 2005 Report Posted July 1, 2005 I'm glad Texeira is finally in first place, the prospect of him missing out to a guy who, outside of his one-week hotstreak isn't even hitting .200 on the season, would have been plain silly.
Jericholic82 Posted July 1, 2005 Report Posted July 1, 2005 I'm glad Texeira is finally in first place, the prospect of him missing out to a guy who, outside of his one-week hotstreak isn't even hitting .200 on the season, would have been plain silly. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Even as a Yankee (and tino)fan I couldnt agree more. I mean we don't want this game to become even more of a joke do we? I mean the all star voting usually turns out to a popularity contest anyhow. I think the voting starts way too early. Well at least at looks like we have got it right for once, at least in the AL.
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