Guest *KNK* Report post Posted June 22, 2005 Vengeance WWE Title Match Hell in a Cell Triple H Vs Batista World Title Match Triple Threat Christian Vs John Cena Vs Chris Jericho Shawn Michaels Vs Kurt Angle Kane Vs Edge IC Title Shelton Benjamin Vs Carlito Caribbean Cool Victoria Vs Christy Hemme So that’s the currently announced card. We are coming fresh off a very memorable and well received pay per view in the form of the ECW experiment. Is it safe to say that this show will have a very difficult time in being able to follow up on it? Not at all. It’s a FACT that Vengeance looks pretty weak with 2 rematches (one of which people unanimously appear to not care about), one rematch that appears to have the result written on the wall, a match hopefully blowing off one of the worst angles in recent memory and that’s saying a lot and that match has never been good the other times we’ve suffered through it. The IC Title match really makes no sense as they really should have played up the reign and have CCC narrow lose to Benjamin and heavily push the botched spot as a chance for CCC to take advantage of on Sunday with Shelton coming off a “concussion”. However they just wasted his reign for a fluke title change onto a guy that has a severely limited set in the ring, who really should just be a full time manager rather then a wrestler. Now it appears that Benjamin has to be headed to Smackdown but sadly it will end up he will stay on Raw and get lost in the shuffle. It’s safe to say there’s zero interest in the woman’s match. And now, the WWE Title match. The only question and interest is this, who lays down? One of the two challengers is obviously headed to Smackdown and hopefully it’s Jericho where he can get a face lift and maybe revitalize his career, being Hunter free. John Cena is clearly keeping the title and you can’t argue otherwise. Batista is headed to Smackdown. They planned it months ago and now it’s coming to fruition. There’s not a chance in hell Triple H goes to Smackdown, the Friday night show. Triple H is staying LIVE and on the flagship show. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Aero 0 Report post Posted June 22, 2005 I'm really interested in seeing the 3-way, and that's about it. I think Cena is most likely winning, but there's an outside chance that either Jericho & Christian might win and take the title to SD. It really just depends on whether or not Batista gets sent to SD tonight. If he does, that means SD's title situation is fixed and there's no need for the WWE Title to return. If he doesn't, SD will need fixing, and either Jericho or Christian, both of whom are rumored to be going to SD, have a shot. I have mild interest in Angle-HBK, but not enough to buy the PPV. It should be good. While most are predicting HBK to get his job back, I'll go the other way and pick Angle for no particular reason other than to keep him a strong heel on Raw. HIAC might be decent. There will be a ton of blood, but I can't see them escaping to do a big bump or anything. Hopefully it'll only be around the 20-25 minute mark and not the "epic" 35+. I'm sick of this feud, so this had seriously better be the blow-off. My picks: Batista over HHH Angle over HBK Carlito over Benjamin Cena over Christian & Jericho Christy over Victoria by DQ Kane over Edge Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AndrewTS 0 Report post Posted June 22, 2005 Angle/HBK will probably be great 'n all, but seriously--how often do rematches on a throw away PPV top a WM match? HIAC is ruined by it capping up a feud that should have ended at Mania, and the result being extremely easy to predict. Kane vs. Edge--the wedding was awfully funny (emphasis on awful), but it doesn't make me want to see a match. It would be great if they put Edge opposite somebody who wasn't quite near the top of the rankings, but egged Edge into accepting a match where he puts the MITB shot on the line. But since we need to get Edge on screen with his RL girlfriend and publically wank over the Hardy situation, we get this mess of a feud. The Triple Threat reeks of "who gets to be HHH fodder," and the winner seems fairly obvious. In a nutshell: a possibly good card undercut by questionable booking. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kahran Ramsus 0 Report post Posted June 22, 2005 WWE Title Match Hell in a Cell Triple H Vs Batista Not interested. Batista has already beaten this guy twice and it is obvious he is going to win here too. I also expect the match to pale in comparison to the brawl JBL & Cena had last month. World Title Match Triple Threat Christian Vs John Cena Vs Chris Jericho The company's biggest star and two JTTS. Cena vs. Christian would have had me interested if they were given more time to work a feud, but even there, the match wouldn't be the great. Jericho will probably improve the match, but he really doesn't belong here. I just hope this is better than that terrible RVD/Christian/Jericho triple threat from a couple of years ago. Shawn Michaels Vs Kurt Angle Good match, but this is too soon and we all know Shawn will get his job back. 10 years from now nobody will remember this match. They should have waited until about Survivor Series at the earliest to do a rematch, but ideally it would have been during NEXT summer. Like I said, it is too soon to do this rematch, unlike Orton/Taker which makes sense to do it right away. Kane Vs Edge They had an awful match on PPV last year and an awful match to end the Gold Rush Tournament. Edge was red hot 6 months ago, but Lita is dragging him down. No interest. IC Title Shelton Benjamin Vs Carlito Caribbean Cool No way they end an 8 month reign just to give it back to Shelton a week later. Carlito retains, Shelton hopefully heads to Smackdown. Victoria Vs Christy Hemme Ordinarily the wrestler would be the face against the useless diva, but since this is WWE, it is the other way around. Therefore unless they really surprise me, like at Mania, the woman the fans want to win will be jobbing to the one that Vince wants to win. The matches won't be bad, but this looks on paper to be the most boring PPV since Unforgiven last year. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
St. Gabe 0 Report post Posted June 22, 2005 I say Jericho wins the title, is drafted to Smackdown next tuesday, and Cena fueds with Batista, after turning heel. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Tjhe CyNick Report post Posted June 22, 2005 The PPV seems better than most of these brand exclusive shows, and the added SD talent has made me more interested in this show than any RAW only show in a long time, maybe ever. Batista-HHH is a little interesting just to see who wins, and moreso to see where Hunter goes if he loses. I guess it'll be him and Cena, but will HHH also put over Cena? Is it possible for him to go more than 6 mos without the title? Probably not. I'm also interested to see if this is where Edge uses the MITB stip like a lot of people have predicted. WWE Title match has a lot of people on the 'net picking one of the Christian or Jericho to win, personally I think thats nutty, and Cena will retain. I'm going back and forth on who goes to SD between Jericho and Christian. On the one hand I think its Christian, just because he needs new surroundings. But now that Carlito and the Cabana are on RAW, kinda makes me think the HIghlight Reel and Jericho are SD bound. HBK-Angle. There was no build for this, which sucks, but I loved the match at Mania, and this is a match that needs long matches, so this one might be even better. I'm guessing they'll end up doing an Iron Man rubber match on TV in July. Kane-Edge....It sucked last year, it'll suck on Sunday. No interest in that one. Carlito-Benjamin. This could be okay. Shelton needs something new, this whole IC title thing isn't working. He needs a program where someone can wrestle him a bunch of times and put him over to establish him as a top guy.....Hunter? HBK? Carlito should stay on as IC champ for a little while. Christy-Victoria....Yawn It'll probably be a so-so card. I figure the WWE title and Angle-HBK matches will be good, HHH-Batista has a chance, but I have a feeling they will book it too long and the fans will be bored, like last year's HIAC. And there's no way this will anywhere near as good as that was. Carlito-Benjamin could be decent, other two matches look terrible. The bad news is that I got a feeling they will cram a bunch of filler stuff on this card like a last minute match for the tag titles, lots of Vis-Lilian stuff and maybe some Divas crap, which will make the PPV seem worse than what it should be. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Rrrsh Report post Posted June 22, 2005 Lots of star power, should get a real good buy. I care about 33% of the matches, which is par-for-course. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
what 0 Report post Posted June 22, 2005 I say Jericho wins the title, is drafted to Smackdown next tuesday, and Cena fueds with Batista, after turning heel. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> There is no fucking way Cena loses. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BifEverchad 0 Report post Posted June 22, 2005 Angle/HBK will probably be great 'n all, but seriously--how often do rematches on a throw away PPV top a WM match?<{POST_SNAPBACK}> HBK vs Diesel. Good Friends, Better Enemies > Wrestlemania XI Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
snuffbox 0 Report post Posted June 22, 2005 WWE Title Match Hell in a Cell Triple H Vs Batista - Im picking Batista. It will probably be another generic bloody brawl with these poorly matched 3-times-in-a-row main eventers...only now its in a cell. World Title Match Triple Threat Christian Vs John Cena Vs Chris Jericho - Cena Shawn Michaels Vs Kurt Angle - HBK...I think Angle owes him something. Kane Vs Edge - Edge. I dont care IC Title Shelton Benjamin Vs Carlito Caribbean Cool - This is pretty sadly booked. Ill pick Carlito Victoria Vs Christy Hemme - Ehh...victoria Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest *KNK* Report post Posted June 22, 2005 Angle/HBK will probably be great 'n all, but seriously--how often do rematches on a throw away PPV top a WM match?<{POST_SNAPBACK}> HBK vs Diesel. Good Friends, Better Enemies > Wrestlemania XI <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Different. The roles here are reversed with Shawn playing the babyface and Diesel as the cocky arrogant asshole heel. WMXI was a straight up match while GFBE was a all out brawl. Shawn Vs Kurt, they are playing the same roles and same style match. A better example is Backlash Triple Threat being better then WMXX match. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cabbageboy 0 Report post Posted June 22, 2005 I think Carlito will get some lame DQ type win, or it'll be a DQ in some way to have Shelton save face, then he can head over to Smackdown. This show has had a horrid build given the loaded nature of the card itself. On paper it looks quite good but the build for the matches has either been nonexistent (Angle/Shawn II) or repetitive (HHH/Batista III), or just plain bad (Edge/Kane). It's ironic considering the ECW PPV had no angles in the matches really, which had its drawbacks of course but yet also had some positives. At least there weren't any awful storylines. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MarvinisaLunatic 0 Report post Posted June 22, 2005 Im going out on a limb and saying HHH will beat Batista...and Jericho will beat Cena and be the one to go to Smackdown. Batista will also probably end up on Smackdown though. I really cant see HHH going to Smackdown, but in the same respect I cant see him not winning this match. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CBright7831 0 Report post Posted June 22, 2005 If Triple H loses this Sunday, he will be out of the main event scene. I don't think there is anyway they could put him in a title shot for awhile. Which means, they will. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BifEverchad 0 Report post Posted June 22, 2005 Angle/HBK will probably be great 'n all, but seriously--how often do rematches on a throw away PPV top a WM match?<{POST_SNAPBACK}> HBK vs Diesel. Good Friends, Better Enemies > Wrestlemania XI <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Different. The roles here are reversed with Shawn playing the babyface and Diesel as the cocky arrogant asshole heel. WMXI was a straight up match while GFBE was a all out brawl. Shawn Vs Kurt, they are playing the same roles and same style match. A better example is Backlash Triple Threat being better then WMXX match. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> You only said 'rematch'. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
David Blazenwing 0 Report post Posted June 22, 2005 After the way they've built Christian up, I'll be really disappointed if he doesn't get the title over Cena sunday. I think what'll happen is Cena will nail Jericho with the F-U, then go for the pin, but the ref will be out. Cena stands up, boom, downward spiral from Hassan, Christian takes advantage and gets the pin over Cena while Jericho is still out. Remember, folks, you heard it here first. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WrestlingFan4Ever 0 Report post Posted June 22, 2005 Another example is Steve Austin vs. The Rock at Backlash 99 being better than their WM 15 match. Anyway, this card looks real good, and I'm ordering it for the HBK-Angle rematch alone. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kahran Ramsus 0 Report post Posted June 22, 2005 Also GFBE was over a year after the Wrestlemania match. Angle/Shawn I only happened in March. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hunter's Torn Quad 0 Report post Posted June 22, 2005 After the way they've built Christian up, I'll be really disappointed if he doesn't get the title over Cena sunday. I think what'll happen is Cena will nail Jericho with the F-U, then go for the pin, but the ref will be out. Cena stands up, boom, downward spiral from Hassan, Christian takes advantage and gets the pin over Cena while Jericho is still out. Remember, folks, you heard it here first. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Laughed at it here first too. Cena isn't losing. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dangerous A 0 Report post Posted June 22, 2005 I am going to go out on a limb and say that since Cena can't hide behind a brawling gimmick match this month, that Jericho and Christian won't be able to hide it and Cena will wrestle terribly. However, the crowd will eat it up with a spoon. I'm thinking this guy is more and more like Ultimate Warrior. Terrible in the ring, yet wildly over with the fans. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Rrrsh Report post Posted June 22, 2005 Cena is far more like injured Austin than Warrior Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dangerous A 0 Report post Posted June 22, 2005 Cena isn't even an injured Austin. Sorry, but even when Austin wasn't healthy, he was smart enough to know his limitations in what he can and can't do. Cena just flat out can't do, well, quite a bit. I shuddered with horror and fear at the match him and Hassan could've put on had it gone on any longer. Cena is as bad as Hassan. There. I said it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bob_barron 0 Report post Posted June 22, 2005 Cena just did have a great brawl with JBL and he's had some matches I really enjoyed. I'm most looking forward to the 3-way, I think it could be a sleeper. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Rrrsh Report post Posted June 22, 2005 Cena just did have a great brawl with JBL and he's had some matches I really enjoyed. I'm most looking forward to the 3-way, I think it could be a sleeper. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I am with ya. He knows his limitations very well, much like Austin. He is miles better than Hassan, Masters and all those other stiffs. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest QUP2CME Report post Posted June 22, 2005 The only reason i'm drawn into the PPV is because there is an air of uncertainty there, something that has been NON-EXISTENT at brand only PPV's ever since they started. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
King Cucaracha 0 Report post Posted June 22, 2005 Cena's more like Dusty than Warrior. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
zyn081 0 Report post Posted June 22, 2005 Batista-HHH is a little interesting just to see who wins, and moreso to see where Hunter goes if he loses. I guess it'll be him and Cena, but will HHH also put over Cena? Is it possible for him to go more than 6 mos without the title? Probably not. I'm also interested to see if this is where Edge uses the MITB stip like a lot of people have predicted. But now that Carlito and the Cabana are on RAW, kinda makes me think the HIghlight Reel and Jericho are SD bound. Shelton needs something new, this whole IC title thing isn't working. He needs a program where someone can wrestle him a bunch of times and put him over to establish him as a top guy.....Hunter? HBK? Carlito should stay on as IC champ for a little while. The bad news is that I got a feeling they will cram a bunch of filler stuff on this card like a last minute match for the tag titles, lots of Vis-Lilian stuff and maybe some Divas crap, which will make the PPV seem worse than what it should be. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Just picked out a few things you said worth commenting on. This is how RAW will go down if HHH loses HitC. DAMMIT, I DESERVE A TITLE SHOT, BISCHOFF. Bischoff tells him that Batista is now of SD. HHH goes off in a huff. Cue later. Carlito is walking out to the ring to defend his IC title. Hunter pushes him off the ramp and then cuts a 10 minute promo on how the WHC is his. Then Flair spots a Chaing Gang sign in the crowd. WAIT CHAMP, THERES ANOTHER CHAMPION ON RAW. HHH considers it, its not his title on his show afterall. DAMMIT, I WAS SO SHORT-SIGHTED, I KNEW THE ANSWER ALL ALONG, I COULD HAVE BECOME THE 2 TIME UNDISPUTED CHAMPION OF THE WORLD. He calls Cena out. Makes his bitch and boi. After Match 231, which is a 3 out of 5 falls, 1st fall is an I Quit Match, 2nd fall is Streetfight, 3rd is a Steel Cage match, 4th is a Dumpster Match and the 5th is a Ladder Match, HHH becomes WWE Champion. Regarding the Cabina, thats the 1st thing I thought. Hunter has already done his good deed of the decade by giving Benji a kind of push. You people ask for way too much. Respect the champ. HBK maybe, but Benji would have to turn heel to garner heat. The holy one doesnt do heel anymore. Regarding the fillers, o yes they will. Diva Tennis anybody? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest JerichosHi-Lite Report post Posted June 22, 2005 Am I the only one who thinks Vengeance actually looks pretty decent? I might actually pay the £15 for it. Maybe I just have lower standards than the rest of you? I think what makes it look good to me is the built-in intrigue of the draft. I may getting on like a mark but I'm enjoying the draft because 99% of the time I have no idea where WWE's going with it. Which is the mark (no pun intended) of a good storyline. World Title Match Hell in a Cell Triple H Vs Batista - Could deliver, as Batista seems better suited for this sort of thing, and, well, it is HHH's match. HHH has done a good job of hiding Batista's weaknesses and making him look stronger than he deserves to look, so hopefully this will deliver. Prediction: I honestly don't know. I was CONVINCED up to this point that Triple H would be winning, would've bet the farm on it, but now I can see Batista winning and going to SmackDown. I think the winner of the WWE title match will determine this match's winner, for me WWE Title Match Triple Threat Christian Vs John Cena Vs Chris Jericho - I'm really looking forward to this one. Christian on a roll, heel Jericho and THE BEST title in the industry (despite what J.R. says, the WWE title is still the best belt in the company) all in one match. Christian and Jericho could and should do the bulk of the wrestling, which we know will be good and Cena's contributions could add to it. On the other hand, it could ruin it. I hope either Christian or Jericho would win and then take the belt to SmackDown. Preferably Jericho because Christian's got plenty of time and Jericho needs the title MUCH MUCH more than Christian does. Prediction: ... my head tells me that, logically, Cena's got to lose the title but I don't see it happening. Shawn Michaels Vs Kurt Angle - Did WWE move Kurt to Raw specifically to have this match? I'm still pissed off to death with WWE for moving my favourite wrestler to Raw. I was hoping most of my favourites would be on SmackDown (which I prefer. Nobody else does) but Kurt on Raw just makes no sense to me. I'm not really looking forward to this because I don't think it'll top Mania and because there's no rivalry, no story this time around. And I'm just pissed at Kurt being on Raw. Prediction: Shawn lose this same match twice? No chance. Shawn's winning, of that I'm certain Kane Vs Edge - Despite all the controversy, I actually think Edge and Lita have been a riot as heels. I don't care about the whole Matt situation, that's between them and Matt. At face value, I think Edge and Lita have been great as heels. I actually think Lita's mic skills have improved a notch. It's not really saying much, but she's irritating me a bit less. Prediction: Hmm. either Kane'll actually get a Pay-Per-View win (which in itself is a big deal) get his revenge and end the feud or they'll give Edge's new thing with Lita some momentum. Logically, it could go either way but I reckon it'll be Edge. IC Title Shelton Benjamin Vs Carlito Caribbean Cool - Could not care less. I hate Carlito Caribbean Cool. I hate his gimmick, his wrestling, his mic skills, his fashion sense, his hair, everything about him and I can't believe WWE sees so much in him, because I can't see a thing. I still can't believe they took the title off Shelton, with infinitely more talent than Carlito. If Shelton doesn't win, I've officially lost interest in the IC title. And it was always one of my favourites. Prediction: Carlito. What's the point, otherwise? Victoria Vs Christy Hemme - Victoria could pull something good out of Christy here, and while I know some (or many) people will probably disagree with me, I think Christy's mic and wrestling skills make her better than a Raw Diva Search winner has any right to be. For a girl who's just starting in wrestling, I've been more than impressed with her so far. WrestleMania with Trish was OK ... if she continues training, and if Victoria has a good night, this could actually be a decent match Prediction: Christy? Either give the new girl a victory or give the newly-turned heel girl a victory. If they want the rivalry to continue, Victoria'll win (or lose by DQ), if they don't want it to continue, Christy'll win. All-in-all, I actually think it's one of WWE's best offerings recently. Might actually pay the money to see it this time around. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Team Angle Pusher 0 Report post Posted June 22, 2005 The card looks great, really decent. But the storylines just don't appeal to me. Especially HHH/Batista rematch seems so forced. Why does HHH think he can beat Batista after he lost two big matches already. HHH needs to go off WWE TV because when he talks it's always the same and he's getting REALLY boring. Either do something interesting with HHH where he isn't the in th main event all the time or just take a time off Paul. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
zyn081 0 Report post Posted June 22, 2005 - I'm really looking forward to this one. Christian on a roll, heel Jericho and THE BEST title in the industry (despite what J.R. says, the WWE title is still the best belt in the company) all in one match. Shawn Michaels Vs Kurt Angle - Did WWE move Kurt to Raw specifically to have this match? I'm still pissed off to death with WWE for moving my favourite wrestler to Raw. I was hoping most of my favourites would be on SmackDown (which I prefer. Nobody else does) but Kurt on Raw just makes no sense to me. I'm not really looking forward to this because I don't think it'll top Mania and because there's no rivalry, no story this time around. And I'm just pissed at Kurt being on Raw. Prediction: Shawn lose this same match twice? No chance. Shawn's winning, of that I'm certain Victoria Vs Christy Hemme All-in-all, I actually think it's one of WWE's best offerings recently. Might actually pay the money to see it this time around. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> You either dont care about things or feel really passionately about them either way. People will disagree with you there. The WHC is a 'better' title than the WWE title because it is a World Title and is billed as so, whilst the WWE title is promoted as a companys title. I know anybody might say that im nitpicking, but thats the way I have always seen it. Kurt was brought to RAW cause he was bloody boring on SD. Hes fought everbody there in extended programmes. I have a sinking feeling that Christy is going to have amensia and fall for somebody and become a naive blue eyed girl. :S Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
