Big Show

[Superfly Snuka 0]

Speaking of new finshers/additional finishers, I think both Cena and Batista need additional finsher type moves, to build them into more credeible champions. I think a submission move would help them both, when the Rock added the Sharp shooter (even though he did the worst one in wrestling history) it made him see a little bit more of a threat than just straight up brawler. One of them, probably Cena, should add a move like the STF (I don't know why anyone doesn't use this anymore).

[USC Wuz Robbed! 0]

I couldn't see Batista doing a submission move if it wasn't a power one like a bearhug or something.

[Guest Mordecai's Cathedral]

One of them, probably Cena, should add a move like the STF (I don't know why anyone doesn't use this anymore).

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STF-U!

[jwpeer 0]

I couldn't see Batista doing a submission move if it wasn't a power one like a bearhug or something.

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Torture Rack

 

Oh do I mark for that move.

 

Hehehe

And he could make it look damn good, makes for good photo ops him putting Trips up in a torture rack....

[King Cucaracha 0]

How about a powerbomb, but as he drops them, Show falls with them and winds up headbutting his victim in the groin?

 

Like Test's Diving Gutwrench Powerbomb thing?

[zyn081 0]

How about a Samoan Drop? Thats off the top off my head. Imagine that weight falling on you. I remember when TBS was integrating a few moves into his arsenal, namely the slingshot and beal. And dont forget the hundred hand slap

 

I think he should keep the name TBS, what would you call him? Pete the Giant? The Giant Pete? The CW Squasher?

[Guest Mordecai's Cathedral]

 

Alleyoop~!

[zyn081 0]

 

Alleyoop~!

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Ahhh, the Brain Buster. Yes, thats what I was thinking of. With TBS height that would look lethal.

[Carnival 0]

doesn't look like a brain buster to me?

[claydude14 0]

Alleyoop is a powerbomb position but he throws you backwards, IIRC.

[Guest Coffey]

Speaking of new finshers/additional finishers, I think both Cena and Batista need additional finsher type moves, to build them into more credeible champions. I think a submission move would help them both, when the Rock added the Sharp shooter (even though he did the worst one in wrestling history) it made him see a little bit more of a threat than just straight up brawler.

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At one time, I would've argued that Batista had three finishers. I don't think I can make that same argument now. His Spinebuster was getting wins in the past. Namely against fat shits that he couldn't Bomb. His clothesline was built up for a few weeks too. It even concussed Jericho.

[CanadianChick 0]

Even though I didn't really love it as a finisher, Batista should have really kept it as one because of the build. That was actually something that the fans were totally buying. Jericho's selling of it was good, and I'm sure more people could sell it as such. Maybe it was, for some reason, thought of as too much of a heel move.

[Dandy 0]

Also, Batista was using a pretty nice one legged crab with a knee to the back. That could work for him as it is simple, hurts the back which takes a beating from his power moves, and could be played up as lethal because of his power.

 

And yeah, they should definitely build the clothesline back up.

[Superfly Snuka 0]

i really like Mordecai's Cathedral naming of the STF as the STF-U for Cena; that would stay with his gimmick well too. I say Cena should do this (maybe bust it out on HHH at Summer slam)

[Enigma 0]

Remember when he was initially called "The Big Nasty" Paul Wight?

[iggymcfly 0]

I think it's too late to do the unstoppable, undefeatable thing with Show. They've just stopped and started on him too many times for it to have any resonance.

 

Now if they brought back Brock on the other hand, he'd be perfect for it. They could have him lose his first PPV match because he's "rusty", avenge the loss and then spend 16 months as undefeated champion before giving a monster rub to whoever they wanted to put over. That would actually be a perfect way to finish off the remaining months on Smackdown.

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I think it's too late to do the unstoppable, undefeatable thing with Show. They've just stopped and started on him too many times for it to have any resonance.

 

Now if they brought back Brock on the other hand, he'd be perfect for it. They could have him lose his first PPV match because he's "rusty", avenge the loss and then spend 16 months as undefeated champion before giving a monster rub to whoever they wanted to put over. That would actually be a perfect way to finish off the remaining months on Smackdown.

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Job Brock in his first PPV? Not gonna happen.

[King Cucaracha 0]

How many times has Big Show turned from face to heel since debuting? That's the major problem I've always had with the way Big Show's been booked. One minute he's a heel, next the face.

[USC Wuz Robbed! 0]

The problem is they can't sustain his momentum. He comes in as a hot heel, gets killed off by Austin, so they turn him. He gets over to a degree, but gets overshadowed by other faces so he turns heel. It's the running theme of his career, he's always overshadowed by someone so he turns as a result.

[Jericholic82 0]

How many times has Big Show turned from face to heel since debuting? That's the major problem I've always had with the way Big Show's been booked. One minute he's a heel, next the face.

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Lets see if I can get this right

 

Debuts on 2-14-99 as Vince Mcmahons hired goon, and accidentally helps austin win the steel cage match.

 

I am not counting the phony face turn before mania with rock getting in his face.

 

At wrestlemania 15, gets dqd vs mankind angering vince, who slaps the big man. Show snaps and punches out vince and is thus kicked out from the corporation, turning face for the first time in wwf turn #1 (only a month an a half after he debuted mind you)

 

stays face until july 99 when he joined up with taker for no real reason.(turn #2)

 

Heel from July-about novemberish, when bossman starts taunting him about his dying father. after his father "died" he officially was a face again due to the sympathy factor(turn #3. Won first WWF title at Survivor Series as the replacemnet for Austin. Lost it to HHH on the first raw of 2000.

 

Was one of the superstars who came out with rock and threatened a mutiney if HHH and Steph didn't rehire mick foley. Show got mad when Rock claimed he was going to throw 29 jabronis over the top at the rumble. (turn #4)

They were the final two left at rumble

 

Shane mcmahon returned at NWO 00 and helped Show beat Rock in a #1 contenders match (show claimed rocks feet hit first at rumble and HHH agreed) Show was the first eliminated in the wm main event

 

Night after mania, show told shane "it was time for the big show to go hollywood" and he started acting goofy, dancing with too cool, dressing up as showkishi, fat bastard, and best of all "the showster" where he beat Angle at Backlash. He was a face again, especially after shane made fun of him (turn #5)

 

He was injured by shane at judgment day after massive interference helped shane beat show in a no dq FCA match. Returned in July to chase shane around, but attacked Kane later and revealed he was back with shane, thus another heel turn (turn #6 if you are counting along). Not too long after he was sent down to OVW for being out of shape. Returned in the rumble match of 01 as a surprise and got eliminated by rock, thus setting off a feud and he was still a heel) Stayed heel until the invasion made him a face by default (turn #7).

 

Stayed face untill he turned on Austin and joined the nWo in early 02 (turn #8)

 

Stayed heel and wound up traded to smackdown in october 02, made early impact by chokeslamming taker off the atge and putting taker out for a few months. Challenged Brock for the WWE title and won. Lost to angle. Still a heel. Stayed heel for all of 2003.

In 2004 lost US title to Cena at WM 20, then lost to Eddie Guerreo on SD in a wwe title match, with the stip that he would retire if he lost. Went nuts and destoryed torrie wilsons car and chokeslammed angle of a ledge.

 

Returned in the fall and wanted to wrestle angle at no mercy and started to team with Eddie ,and was attacked by angle reigns and jindrak who shaved off his hair, making him a face offically once again (turn #9)

 

 

so there you have it, show has had at least 9 turns that I can recall since he joined wwf/e in 1999

[Slickster 0]

I think if you repackaged him as Titan or (duh) The Giant and gave him a Goldberg-like streak over jobbers on Heat/Velocity for a while, then re-elevated him to the main-event picture, you could significantly restore his image as an unstoppable behemoth.

[Guest Ransome]

I can't seem to find a site that lists matches for individuals in the 1980s but I swear I read that Andre had been losing a few matches, but in order to make a huge moneymaking angle between Andre and Hogan they created a storyline where Andre had been undefeated for years when in fact he wasn't. He did probably have a small undefeated streak to put over the angle more.

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The whole 'Andre has been undefeated for 15 years' was a total work, although he certainly had no high profile televised pinfall losses in early 80s WWF. Remember, they also claimed pre-WM 3 that Hogan and Andre had never faced eachother in the ring before, which was also obviously untrue (Showdown at Shea 1980, to cite a famous example). Also, they said that Andre had never been bodyslammed (dozens of examples to the contrary, Harley Race is the most well-known).

 

I'm sure these kayfabe myths added to the anticipation for the WM3, and given that apparently some smarks here are still unsure whether Andre was undefeated preWM3, it seems to have worked better than WWF could have imagined.

[Jobber of the Week 0]

Show is a really big guy, but I don't think of him as a "oh my god he could die any month now" kind of guy. Aside from some mild (for his size) obesity, I don't think he has any health problems.

 

Andre drank enough to stop a horse's liver, was more overweight than Show, didn't have the treatment available as was described above, and was obviously the walking dead by WM3. According to one of the unofficial books out there, Andre was basically waiting to die when Vince asked him to come back, getting some seriously icky surgery to be able to do it.

 

I imagine he'll see the end of his contract and do something else afterwards. My own prediction is comedian, judging by his sense of humor in interviews.

 

And yes, an invincible run could really work so long as his TV matches are such total burials that they barely have time to stop playing his tune before the match is over. PPV matches against major babyfaces should be longer than that but not longer enough to leave him exposed. And for the love of God, no tag matches.

[edotherocket 0]

Has anyone got any stories on Andre's diet? I've heard he both ate and drank a lot but never really heard any examples of how much. I imagine a dude his size could probably drink a lot of beer in one sitting.

[zyn081 0]

doesn't look like a brain buster to me?

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It isnt. Just reminded of a brain buster.

[Guest Arnold_OldSchool]

Andre's Career recordbook 1969 -92

[Jobber of the Week 0]

Has anyone got any stories on Andre's diet?  I've heard he both ate and drank a lot but never really heard any examples of how much.  I imagine a dude his size could probably drink a lot of beer in one sitting.

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Google

"Andre the giant" beer

And you'll get all the reports and legends. The most common ones I've heard is that he'd weigh down his car with coolers of beer and order a table's full of food at restaurants because he was huge and because he was making more money than anybody else on the roster (although nobody was openly jealous because he also invited everybody out to eat on his nickel quite a bit.)