Games with too much movie!

[Guest Mosaicv2]

I'm amaze how idiotic people are in this thread about how are ridicolusly long the movies are MGS2 than MGS3.

[Guest Askewniverse]

On the positive side, those "idiotic people" know how to form a coherent sentence.

[Damaramu 0]

Every little fucking thing in Xenosaga seemed to require a damn FMV or cutscene. That's why I had to quit the game. The beginning of that game in the ship should've taken about 20-30 minutes from the time you started the game till the time you got to the bridge. It took like 2 hours....maybe longer! I quit around that mark!

*character is walking*

"I think I want a coke!"

*cut to 30 minute scene about the coke machine and it's history and how much the character likes coke*

 

That's what it's like. Just trivial bullshit.

[AndrewTS 0]

*looks at bottom of can*

*bottom of can says "You Are Not A Winner*

*cinema sequence while your character wallows in self-pity*

 

I'm still stunned at the scores it got.

[Anya 0]

I hate the girl with the huge anime eyes.

[Slayer 0]

I'm amaze how idiotic people are in this thread about how are ridicolusly long the movies are [in] MGS2 than MGS3.

MGS3 came out well after I abandoned the console gaming market, so I never played it.

 

I did play 2 though and I stand by my opinion on it

[Guest Mosaicv2]

On the positive side, those "idiotic people" know how to form a coherent sentence.

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coherent>? so I didn't do my spell-check... dig deal.

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Go back to not posting, kid.

[Ripper 0]

On the positive side, those "idiotic people" know how to form a coherent sentence.

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coherent>? so I didn't do my spell-check... dig deal.

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I'm amaze how idiotic people are in this thread about how are ridicolusly long the movies are MGS2 than MGS3

 

You didn't do a "does this make the slightest bit of sense" check. Seriously..what the hell are you trying to say here?

[Guest Mosaicv2]

On the positive side, those "idiotic people" know how to form a coherent sentence.

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coherent>? so I didn't do my spell-check... dig deal.

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I'm amaze how idiotic people are in this thread about how are ridicolusly long the movies are MGS2 than MGS3

 

You didn't do a "does this make the slightest bit of sense" check. Seriously..what the hell are you trying to say here?

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I'm saying MSG2 is better than MSG3 in gameplay... just deal with it.

[Ripper 0]

Did you read what you wrote? How was anyone supposed to get that out of what you wrote. Goddamn dude, acting like everyone else is stupid for not figuring out your murder of the english language isn't really the best route. But you explained it now, so I get it. But that "sentence" you wrote before didn't say anything close to that.

[The Niggardly King 0]

I don't mind movies if they seem to have a point, there isn't one of them like after every 30 minutes in the game. Xenosaga was just bad at this. You'd get maybe one movie for every 6 or 7 that had some sort of impact later on in the game.

 

I like Metal Gear Solid 3, but I couldn't tell you a damn thing about. I just skipped every movie except the ending.

 

I think the best games I've played in a while have to be the Growlanser games. No movies from what I remember, just a lot of dialogue you can read, and sometimes skip through once the voice overs come into play. Now if only those games could cut down on the 30 minutes or more battles.

[Guest Essa_Angelico]

I do enjoy fmv's when they add to the story(character introductions, vital plot points etc) or when an action sequence happens that can't be shown with in-game graphics.

 

One rpg that i've played this year(Shadow Hearts: Covenent) was great to play since it got the perfect balance of gameplay vs. fmv's.

 

MGS3 wasn't that bad when it came to fmv's or heavy codec convo's.

 

Did FFX contain that many irrelevent movies? Haven't played it for a few years.

 

Never played Xenogears.

[Guest Vitamin X]

I like playing and watching games. The playing parts are more satisfying when there's movies to get me into the story.

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Whether or not you're being sarcastic as Andrew implied, I actually strongly agree with this statement.

[Guest Mosaicv2]

Did you read what you wrote? How was anyone supposed to get that out of what you wrote.  Goddamn dude, acting like everyone else is stupid for not figuring out your murder of the english language isn't really the best route.  But you explained it now, so I get it.  But that "sentence" you wrote before didn't say anything close to that.

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Alright mr. perfect I don't sometimes all right that's all so bye-bye to this discussion.

[tekcop 0]

Good thing this guy's avatar is kind of cute. Otherwise, he wouldn't bring anything to this board.

[Jericholic82 0]

well I havent played any of those games, but I will say that you should be able to skip any and all cutsceens that you desire to.

 

and stop picking on Anya unless you will all turn into trolls with sledgehammers as your primary weapon.

[Anya 0]

Whether or not you're being sarcastic as Andrew implied, I actually strongly agree with this statement.

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Not being sarcastic at all. I don't know why Andrew thinks that either, he knows my favorite games are MGS and FF.

[Star Ocean 3 0]

I play video games.

[AndrewTS 0]

I didn't say "sarcastic." I said/meant playing devil's advocate. You can do that whether you believe it or not.

 

Anya obviously hasn't played Xenosaga, since my example didn't sound too appealing to her. So she seemed to be just throwing that comment in to be argumentative.

[Guest Vitamin X]

Well, whatever the case is, be it sarcasm, devil's advocate, or just plain contradictory, I agree with what she said.

[AndrewTS 0]

Well, whatever the case is, be it sarcasm, devil's advocate, or just plain contradictory, I agree with what she said.

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Except that wasn't the part I had been talking about.

 

"Games need more movies."

 

Me: "Anya is just playing DA to screw with you guys."

 

THEN, she said: "I like playing and watching games. The playing parts are more satisfying when there's movies to get me into the story."

 

Yeah, that second statement is very controversial. Yuh-huh.

 

I don't think (in general) games "need more movies." As it is, some games/genres go too far. If anyone is saying Xenosaga needs more movies, I'd say to them to quit gaming, since they're missing the entire point. It's tenuous to even call it a game in its current form anyway.

 

Anya, please specify what games/genres you think "need more movies." I think the genres/games where it makes a lick of sense to have them are already doing them enough or too much.

 

After seeing the awesome real time endings in Soul Blade, I was disappointed to see the more "traditional" (dull) endings in the Soul Calibur games. If SCIII went back to the style seen in SB, I'd be quite pleased.

 

However, the fighting game genre in general seems to have the right amount of movies right now.

[Damaramu 0]

Yes a movie when something extremely important happens is great. Like in Final Fantasy 7 or 8 or hell even 9.

But Xenosage is just absurd. You walk and there's a movie. If the movie is so long that I have to put the controller down and lay back like I'm watchin a movie then it is absurd.

You don't need a movie for every little detail. and that's exactly what Xenosaga had.

[razazteca 0]

Gamers didn't get the first glimpse of Kutaragi's antics until the announcement of the PlayStation 2, and even then the affects weren't immediately felt. With the burgeoning power of the Internet, the PlayStation 2 announcement was covered heavily across the Internet. When Sony pulled back the curtains on the hardware, gamers were promised everything and the kitchen sink. Kutaragi poured on the hype; saying that the Emotion Engine, the heart of the PS2, would "create a world as involving and impressive as portrayed in movies."

It's all Ken Kutaragi's fault.

[Anya 0]

Anya obviously hasn't played Xenosaga, since my example didn't sound too appealing to her. 

 

 

I haven't played Xenosaga because I didn't like Xenogears.

 

 

Anya, please specify what games/genres you think "need more movies."

 

 

Just about anything could be better with more movies. Zelda would be better if it had a FF style story and movie scenes. Fighting games could benifit from a one player mode with movies. The CG cutscenes in Tekken are already really cool, it'd be even better if you saw more of them inbetween matches instead of the weak real time scenes. They should remake all the FF games with modern movies. It'd be really cool to see the world get destroyed in FF VI with CGI.

 

But just because I said I want more doesn't mean I want it to the extreme like your MK example. The Tekken game would need a regular arcade one player and two player mode. It seems like you're just trying to make up an example like that just to "prove me wrong", which is silly since it should be obvious I don't mean 30 minute scenes between each fight.

 

 

So she seemed to be just throwing that comment in to be argumentative.

 

 

Or maybe I threw it out because I like replying to topics here and I like movies? Is it really much of a stretch? How many times have I said this same thing or talked about how much I like CG scenes?

 

And who are you calling argumentative? You're fighting over my intent.

[Special K 0]

Man, the beginning of Star Ocean TTEOT had too much movie. I liked Growlanser which gave you the option of switching voices off. Has anyone ever played through a Metal Gear Solid while listening to all the Codec convos? I imagine it would be torture. The cutscenes themselves are hours long, and the amount of Codec convo in MGS2 was mind-boggling.

[Guest Vitamin X]

So she seemed to be just throwing that comment in to be argumentative.

 

 

Or maybe I threw it out because I like replying to topics here and I like movies? Is it really much of a stretch? How many times have I said this same thing or talked about how much I like CG scenes?

 

And who are you calling argumentative? You're fighting over my intent.

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I know, right? All I'm saying is that I agree with you and then he continues to argue something that I'm not even really stating. This is just ridiculous, though:

 

Well, whatever the case is, be it sarcasm, devil's advocate, or just plain contradictory, I agree with what she said.

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I don't think (in general) games "need more movies." As it is, some games/genres go too far. If anyone is saying Xenosaga needs more movies, I'd say to them to quit gaming, since they're missing the entire point. It's tenuous to even call it a game in its current form anyway.

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Holy shit. This is quite possibly the nerdiest, most condescending, smarkiest comment I've ever seen on these boards. Quit playing VIDEO GAMES??! Someone takes their hobby a little too seriously!

 

I was typing this up earlier, but didn't think it was entirely necessary, however I'll go ahead and say it anyways. Video games are a form of entertainment, obviously. But since the beginning of civilization, the human psyche needs some form of ficitonal entertainment to keep it entertained. All current entertainment, in one way, shape, or form, is derivative of arts and literature, whether it's music, movies, theatre, and yes, even video games. No one since the mid-80's has ever played video games just for the sake of playing video games; somewhere along the lines, video games transcended the line between mindless gobbling up dots and the like to becoming a full-blown medium in which to tell a story, which can appeal to everyone on a more common basis. Having CG movies in games is more or less the same reason as to why people are constantly looking for newer, more improved graphics in games: They want realism, they want an escape from this reality into another one as if it were lucid dreaming. It's one thing to immerse yourself into a book or a movie, but a video game you actually have the ability to control the main character and in some cases, control what happens based on your personal choices. We've gotten to a point often where, in many games, we are playing the game so that we can watch and see what develops as a result of beating an ultra-tough boss, or solving an extremely difficult puzzle. Now, this isn't to say that all video games require more movies, but all games that play out like a story, for example, like Jade Empire, Morrowwind, or the Tom Clancy games, are suitable for more movies because they immerse you in the story and make it feel more alive.

 

Insinuating that a person should "give up video gaming" simply because they enjoy having cutscenes in a game to help them enjoy it more is asinine. How are they "missing the point" of video games? Isn't the whole point more or less, to escape reality and be immersed in another? Hell, even the original Doom gave you a shitty little story so you at least had some kind of reason as to why you were blowing up and/or shooting random monsters in maze-like levels.

[Jingus 0]

On the FF arguments: X didn't have THAT many cutscenes, but it could've been trimmed a bit here and there, especially early on in the game. I hate games that make me wade through hours of menus and movies and other startup bullshit before letting me actually PLAY the damn things.

 

Funny thing: if you go back and play FFVII now, it seems like the game doesn't have all that many cutscenes at all (except for having to watch all the Summoned monster attacks over and over again). Compared to the more recent FFs, which make you sit through an hour of opening cinemas before you even get to your first battle, this one zips along in comparison. But it was the game that started all this FMV crap in the first place. Ironic, donctha think?

 

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On the Metal Gear Solid arguments: I had no problems at all with all the movies and Codec stuff in the first one. I thought it struck the perfect balance between action and walking. And yes, I really did LISTEN to all the conversations, at least the first couple of times I played through it. Why not? MGS featured by far the best voice acting of pretty much any video game ever, as good as a well-dubbed anime, and dialogue that for once didn't make you groan at every other line.

 

MGS2 on the other hand had WAY too much convo crap. The ending of the game (from the multiple Rays attacking onward) is literally two fights crammed in between an hour and a half (not exagerrating, I timed it) of cutscenes and codec crap.

 

After that, I never bothered playing the third one. Who the fuck wants to deal with all that, PLUS all the bullshit about camoflauge and eating? Games are made as an escape from reality because reality is fucking boring and/or depressing; I don't want a game to make me pay attention to my action gun-fu supersoldier's fucking diet. Not to mention the thought of playing a prequel set in the 60's with crappier low-tech equipment and starring supervillain Big Boss as our babyface protagonist just seemed like it had BAD FUCKING IDEA written all over it.

[Special K 0]

Yeah, whether you think it's a good game or not, FFVII is PACKED with gameplay, and people were getting their panties in a bunch from the moment it came out.

 

Oh, no doubt MGS has awesome voice acting. I just prefer to read in general.

 

FFX didn't bother me. Xenogears was almost irreperably hurt by not being able to speed up the text to an acceptable clip.

[Anya 0]

MGS3's codec and movie length is more like MGS1 than 2. It may even have less than 1. Once you get past the first hour's tutorials.

 

The story is really good too. I wasn't interested inthe 60's setting or playing as Big Boss before it came out but I ended up thinking it was great. It really makes you see Big Boss and Ocelot in a different light.

 

If you liked MGS1 I think you should give it a chance.