SmarkDown Comments

[Golgo 13 0]

I have other nicknames now! Not to mention Tommy Gunn was nearly four years ago, and lasted for, at most, two weeks. So stop referring to me as such, even in passing, mostly because it bugs me.

 

By the way, Raynor, if it's not because it was late, I'd appreciate comments about why my match lost.

[JJ Johnson 0]

Sorry about that, but I was running out of things to call you without sounding redundant. And I hate redundancy. I hate it, I hate it, I hate it.

[chirs3 0]

1. I really like the WC/Ejiro flashbacks all throughout the show. Very nice way to build to the match.

 

2. Danny/Magnifico = closer than something that's really close. The winning match was great, but I also encourage the non-winner to post his match in a non-winning match thread, because it really was a good read, especially the ending.

 

3. Tonight was great for plot advancement, but with WC/Ejiro's ending and Toxx/Pretz's ending, I kinda feel cheated in a way.

[Mr. S£im Citrus 0]

Sorry about some of the strange wording in my match; I didn't realize until after I'd turned my match in that it wasn't the actual main event.

[Coffin Surfer 0]

Good match from ELM. Interesting that we had a similiar lay out without prior planning. Great opening with Williams dominating and Mags in peril, the early strike exchange was fantastic. I was ready to cringe when I saw the "arm injury" but it ended up being handled really well with Mags attacks successfully coming off desperate in a underdog kind of way instead of heelish. Though I would have liked to have seen the face/face dynamic played up to more.

[devo 0]

I love the way the World Title Match was built to throughout the night. Very nice touch, whoever thought of it. Kinda makes me feel guilty for taking up the Main Event spot.

 

Actual comments later. Work is now.

[Toshiaki Koala 0]

Does anyone even remember Mr. Bugaboo?

[Toxxic 0]

No. Next question?

[Mr. S£im Citrus 0]

Who?

[devo 0]

Cool opening promo. It's chilling to see Pretzler slowly slip under Flesher's grasp, while all the time Scott believes that he and Toxxic are still and will remain friends, despite all of Toxxic's faults (in his mind).

 

Real solid tag match to get the show started. I loved the bit with the Dane shouting from the stands, and the part after it where each wrestler made their wish (some fufilled, some not). Nice post-match developments. It'd be cool to see a team develop through this.

 

Like I said, the build-up to the World Title match throughout the night is a brilliant idea. Admittedly, I know little of the history between Ejiro and WC, and this was a great way for me to catch up and see why this match was so important.

 

Big win for Zyon! Nicely done. The Suicide Guillotine Leg Drop is a really inventive spot, one I don't think I've ever seen before IRL or in this fed. Zyon plays the underdog part well, I must say. Great finish.

 

Very exciting back and forth match between JD and Francis. There's hardly a break from the time JD tries the Fallaway Slam to the moment he comes out of nowhere and wins with the Diamond Cutter. He was seconds away from falling prey to Francis' Million Dollar Dream; it makes sense to go for the surprise finisher right after escaping from your opponent's.

 

Well, I do wish I could have seen Pretzler/Toxxic, but in its stead is a fantastic return from Spike. That's the way to come back. It'll be interesting to see how Spike fits into the conflict between Pretzler and Toxxic.

 

Really cool begining to the Title match. The extended introductions by Funyon give the contest a real important and epic feel. Cool bit with Ejiro sneaking in a punch and making sure what WC got caught when he tried the same. I love how WC deliberately changes up his attack plan to confuse Fasaki. Great idea. The ending's kinda anticlimatic, yeah, but as far storyline advancement goes, it couldn't have been better.

 

And...Mag gets his skull cracked open. Enjoy!

[Mr. S£im Citrus 0]

Thanks for the feedback, Mags. Yeah, I wanted to give this match a kind of PPV-quality feel to it, while still leaving the audience wanting more (which is kind of the objective of the TV shows), and advance storylines at the same time. I felt that the count-out win would leave things properly inconclusive, and to be perfectly honest, when and if I decide to make a run at the Heavyweight Title, I want my win to come on PPV. Not only that, but seeing as how Goodear was in the hospital with a real-life emergency, I would have felt like a real shitbag if I'd beat him for the belt, anyway.

 

As far as the role reversal, given the fairly extensive history between WC and Ejiro, I felt as though it was the best way for me to handle it; these two know each other so well that it would be impossible to sell a "formula" match between them.

 

Comments on the whole show in a few hours; sorry for not doing Lockdown, but I had extremely limited off-time last week, and just couldn't make the time for it.

[JJ Johnson 0]

Interesting fact: That guy from the stands, and the crowd chant, weren't in Danish. They were in Dutch. My Mac doesn't have an English-to-Danish translator, but it has Dutch, and I figured no one would tell the difference unless I told them.

[Angel_Grace_Blue 0]

Which you just did.

 

Good job, d00d

[zyon 0]

Opening Promo

 

The Scott Pretzler character is right now my favorite. I enjoyed his promo and the way he calls Toxxic his friend one moment and then threatens him with the Snowflake Clutch the next is quite sinister. Also the little jab at "Proved You Wrong" being grammatically incorrect won me over.

 

Griffonosity vs. Triple J...osity.

 

The early miscommunication with JJ and Jay was a nice touch. Banning elbow comment got a laugh. The wish thing was definitely a hoot. Overall good tag match. Triple J would make a good team.

 

All Flashbacks.

 

I say that I enjoyed all flashbacks and really set the tone for the World Title match. Add that with Ejiro's real life problem and I thought we had the World Title changing hands.

 

Zyon vs. Zack Malibu.

 

Now I'm guessing Zack didn't show and even if he did he probably sent a rushed match. So I'm glad I won, but if given the chance I would have definitely wrote the ending different with Landon interfering or something.

 

Also for pretty much everyone that reads my matches. Win or lose if you see a flaw in my matches or know anything that could make my matches better please don't hesitate to tell me, thanks.

 

Johnny Dangerous vs. Mak Francis

 

Nice fast pace match with a great finish. Got done what it had to. I got really nothing else to say.

 

Toxxic vs. Scott Pretzler.

 

Ok I was enjoying the hell out of the beginning. I will say that it would have been cool to see these two in a total hardcore war against each other as opposed to their gentlemen's hardcore match. Anyway Jenkins return is awesome since I came in a week before he got fired I think. So I will enjoy learning more about his character. The whole return was nicely done taking both the heel and the face out. And Flesher even made an appearence. This match had everything...well everything but an actual match.

 

Ejiro vs WC

 

First of, mark out for boxing style opening...check. Really good match with great wrestling between the two. The ending was the next best thing to a clean finish since it builds torward another exciting angle.

 

ELM vs. Danny Williams

 

Match was great. Arm work was a nice touch especially since is must really hurt ELM mentally knowing he did the smart thing and still felt the wrath of the Axe Bomber. The end really put the move over as a legit finisher.

 

Overall good Smarkdown with plenty of development. Can't ask for anything else.

[Mr. S£im Citrus 0]

 

... And, by “a few hours,” I meant after I got off shift, went to bed, woke back up, went back to work, went to PT, took a nap, ate, and then sat down to read the show…

 

But, at least my internet didn’t go down tonight (for a change)…

 

 

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SWF Smarkdown! Live from Copenhagen, Denmark!

 

 

 

Pretzler watches TV… and says stuff.

 

I’m not sure if I understood how this promo started; am I meant to understand that Ghost Machine works dates for Ring of Respect, or did I totally read that wrong? Anyway, this is a solid promo otherwise; Pretzler bags on Toxxic’s submission holds, while putting over the Snowflake Clutch. There’s only one small problem with it, though: he says that no one to be put in the Snowflake has ever gone on to win the match, which isn’t technically accurate. Aside from that small nit to pick, a solid promo advances a storyline, so huzzah!

 

 

 

 

Manson/Griffon vs. Hawke/Triple-J

 

I see that King and LDP share my taste in women… Doesn’t take Manson and Griffon long to overpower their opponents, seeing as how they’re two of the few legit heavyweights in the fed right now, but the heels take over after JJJ hits the Rude Awakening on Manson… Manson retakes control with a rolling elbow on JJJ… I dig the dynamic where you have both Hawke and Johnson being reluctant to tag in against Griffon… Interesting departure from the norm by having the faces blow a run-in spot… Outstanding reverse rana spot by JJJ; a little out of character for a heel, but I definitely marked for that… The only real nit I have to pick with this match is that Hawke and Johnson don’t really seem to be on the same page, in terms of teamwork; they both seem to be attacking different parts of the body, without any rhyme or reason to it… I really, really like the way that the false tag spot was built up to… JJJ counters a schoolboy attempt right into the Frostbite, and that’s the match.

 

 

 

 

Rolex presents A Moment in Time #1

 

This was notable for being the first-ever meeting between WC and Ejiro, and that’s all I have to say about that.

 

 

 

 

Zyon vs. Todd Cortez

 

“The fans go rapid?” Not sure what that means, but I guess it doesn’t really take anything away from the match… Action starts nice and fast, but these two are trading heavy bombs a little too casually for my taste… Todd and Zyon take the fight out of the ring, and a SICK guillotine legdrop spot over the barricade, which Zyon recovers remarkably quickly from… Boy, King sure is obsessed with the end of Martial Law… It doesn’t really make sense to me that Cortez should have to put his foot on the ropes to avoid a pinfall, considering the punishment that Zyon had taken to that point of the match, but that’s just more nitpicking… It’s a fun read, but this match reminds me too much of where ECW and WCW went wrong with Cruiserweight wrestling in the late-90’s, where they just had guys dropping their heavy bombs on each other… I do like the counter to the Miracle Ecstasy, although I thought that the Cyclone was something else… Overall a good showing by Zyon, and I hope to see him continue to polish his writing style.

 

 

 

 

Rolex presents A Moment in Time #2

 

No comment.

 

 

 

 

Johnny Dangerous vs. Mak Francis

 

Johnny tries to get the drop on Mak, going for the MI Slam before the bell, and kicks off a match that moves forward at a frenetic pace all the way through… The flow seemed to fit the new attitudes of both men extremely well, although it rather seems like he made Mak into the de facto face, which I’m not sure I buy, since he’s actually done heelish things in recent weeks, whereas Johnny has just been slightly prickish by comparison… Nice to see Johnny go back to his martial arts background, as that’s an aspect of his character that he’s more or less ignored while tagging with me… The match seemed a little short, but that could have very well been a by-product of the incredible pace, and he even had time to work in some psychology to set up Ground Zero.

 

 

 

 

Rolex presents A Moment in Time #3

 

Still nothing.

 

 

 

 

Pretzler is “almost certainly” not a Nazi; that’s good to know… Just when things are getting good, a fan runs in and brains both wrestlers with a chair, and… hey, wait a minute… that’s not a fan; that’s Spike F. Jenkins! And he’s pissed! And he came back from his suspension a day early, so Flesher’s pissed, too! Taamo sends rent-a-cops down to the ring, but Diamond Dallas Spike runs back out through the crowd he came in from, and we have a reasonably entertaining no-contest. It seems as if this angle is headed towards a Cruiserweight Title triple-threat, which strikes me as odd, since I seem to recall Spike saying something about never wanting to have anything to do with the Cruiserweight Division again.

 

 

 

 

Rolex presents a Moment in Time #4 + The Main Event that Wasn’t!

 

Aaaaand I still don’t comment on my own stuff.

 

 

 

 

The REAL Main Event: Danny Williams vs. ELM

 

Since the match itself will likely be broken down better than I’m capable of, I’ll just make a few shoot-from-the-hip comments: Danny’s an intense motherfucker, isn’t he? I mean, you can tell that Mags meant to come out of the chute with a little intensity, but Danny snuffed that out almost immediately! ELM seems to be growing progressively more aggressive in each match, and he’s definitely pulling out all the stops in this match, but he can’t get the better of Deathwish tonight… This match looks like it’s on its way to being a glorified squash, until Danny misses the Big Elbow, and the experienced ELM capitalizes… But, even then, it doesn’t last long, as Danny just brutalizes Mags with power moves, and it occurs to me that I would totally buy Danny using elbows as a submission, like that Ultimate Punches submission in WCW vs. nWo Revenge: just back the guy in the corner and elbow him in the face until he tapped out… Danny kicks out of Dia De Los Muertos, and you knew it was over right then… and it was… ELM goes down clean to the Axe Bomber, and Danny wins the Triple Champ Round Robin in a sweep.

 

[Toshiaki Koala 0]

Wow, I guess not a single person read the Ghost Machine promo THAT HE POSTED ON THE BOARD. Not saying that makes them bad people or anything...

 

And I had a feeling I was mistaken about the whole "no one has escaped!" deal, but I was too lazy to actually go back and read all of the matches I'd been in to check. I also knew somehow that you would be the one to point out my error, which you did indeed do.

[JJ Johnson 0]

The only real nit I have to pick with this match is that Hawke and Johnson don’t really seem to be on the same page, in terms of teamwork; they both seem to be attacking different parts of the body, without any rhyme or reason to it

 

I can explain that. Hawke is obviously working the arm for the Wing Span, and Johnson is working the neck because he probably has some sort of wicked neck drop suplex he can pull out. The new Frostbite is an inverted juji-gatame with a leg crossface, which works both the neck and the arm. So while it looks like they have minds of their own, they're working together to help set up the submission.

[Mr. S£im Citrus 0]

Wow, I guess not a single person read the Ghost Machine promo THAT HE POSTED ON THE BOARD. Not saying that makes them bad people or anything...

I couldn't get online much last week; I probably missed a lot of stuff... in that case, huzzah for continuity.... And, of course I'd point out your mistake, seeing as how WC's the guy that got out of the Snowflake...

[zyon 0]

Thanks for the feedback WC, and I'll try to explain some of your critiques to try and make more sense of some things.

 

“The fans go rapid?” Not sure what that means, but I guess it doesn’t really take anything away from the match…

 

Thats just a simple way to say the fans are cheering. I probably could have worded it better. Yeah after learning my mistake (Two posts down) I definitely could have worded it better.

 

but these two are trading heavy bombs a little too casually for my taste…

 

I'm not really sure what this means, I'll get back to this later.

 

SICK guillotine legdrop spot over the barricade, which Zyon recovers remarkably quickly from…

 

Yeah I can see where your coming from here. But Zyon easily would have been counted out if Cortez not rolled him back in. And Zyon's offense after the spot at least for a little bit was a forearm and an arm drag. I guess I have a twisted sense of timing of when a wrestler has recovered from a move. I'll work on it.

 

Boy, King sure is obsessed with the end of Martial Law… It doesn’t really make sense to me that Cortez should have to put his foot on the ropes to avoid a pinfall, considering the punishment that Zyon had taken to that point of the match, but that’s just more nitpicking…

 

The nitpicking is perfectly fine. To be honest agree with your comment about King. I actually tried to write another match cause of my mistake by having King be too much of a jerk and other pacing issues. As for Cortez putting his foot on the rope. I figured beat down or not that is the easiest way to break anything, rather it be submission or pin fall. I find it harder to push 200 lbs lying on you off than simply lifting your leg and putting it across a rope.

 

It’s a fun read, but this match reminds me too much of where ECW and WCW went wrong with Cruiserweight wrestling in the late-90’s, where they just had guys dropping their heavy bombs on each other… I do like the counter to the Miracle Ecstasy, although I thought that the Cyclone was something else…

 

Yeah your right about the Cyclone. I wanted to add the word modified in the match somewhere, but just didn't have enough space to add one word, again my mistake to pacing. As for the heavy bombs, I'm not really sure what you mean by that. I'm guessing you mean it was too spot tastic. And if that's the case I don't know. My character is one who wrestles a spotty style, but I don't think it was nonstop action with both guys hitting signature after signature. Then again I could be wrong and maybe you could point specific things out.

 

I hope I made some sense of the critiques you had. But I really do appreciate the feedback.

[HollywoodSpikeJenkins 0]

The run in wasn't REALLY about the CW title...kinda. It was more about smashing two of Spike's enemies and screwing over a match Tom Flesher made.

 

 

 

And did I REALLY show up a day early? More on that when I post my promo.

[King Cucaracha 0]

Zyon...instead of 'rapid', a better word would probably be 'rabid' if you're describing the crowd.

 

And the 'throwing heavy bombs' comments, I think, means in insider speak that the wrestlers are hitting big moves too early in the match. Either that, or there's no slow build to the opening. That's not a big problem in hardcore matches, at least to me. But I think that's what the comment was about.

[Mr. S£im Citrus 0]

Yeah, that's about right, Landon... it's just a pet peeve of mine, to see two guys kickout out of pin-worthy sig move after pin-worthy sig move, only to win with something as relatively minor as a Rana.

 

Plus, I'm kind of old school (which is probably a by-product of actually being old), and don't really like to see big-time moves, like the Dragon suplex (which, once upon a time, was considered a DEATH~! move) and the DDT, made into transition moves.

[JJ Johnson 0]

Yeah, that's about right, Landon... it's just a pet peeve of mine, to see two guys kickout out of pin-worthy sig move after pin-worthy sig move, only to win with something as relatively minor as a Rana.

 

Plus, I'm kind of old school (which is probably a by-product of actually being old), and don't really like to see big-time moves, like the Dragon suplex (which, once upon a time, was considered a DEATH~! move) and the DDT, made into transition moves.

 

In the 80's, with Jake the Snake, the DDT was law. The DDT was rule. No one but Jake did it, and no one kicked out.

 

That's just the way it is, though. Moves become commonplace, and then they lose their mystique, and then they become transitional. In 20 years, everyone will do the Rock Bottom, and everyone will kick out of it. It will have become a transitional move, and we'll all be watching as the Triple Front Flip Last Ride dominates wrestling.

[Coffin Surfer 0]

Arn Anderson was already using the DDT as a transition move in the 80s, see Clash of the Champions I.

 

The DDT is used as a transition move because most anybody can bump for it and it's fairly easy to execute. Some were better than others but it's a move that most anybody can do to anyone. Even Baba had a decent one in the early 90s.

 

A Dragon Suplex as a transition move is pretty silly though. I believe a large number of workers in WCW were even scared to bump for it when Beniot tried to use it more often.

[Toxxic 0]

I remember seeing the Dragon Suplex in Janus' stats when I had my matches with him last year and thinking 'hmm, cool move... but NO-ONE should be able to kick out of a Strength 10 Dragon Suplex, let alone my little weed...'

[janusd 0]

I remember seeing the Dragon Suplex in Janus' stats when I had my matches with him last year and thinking 'hmm, cool move... but NO-ONE should be able to kick out of a Strength 10 Dragon Suplex, let alone my little weed...'

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

 

It -was- a signature move, and my memory might be shoddy, but I think I had most escapes from it come from rope breaks or Janus being too wounded to hold the bridge. I could, of course, be spouting bullshit.

 

*fondly remembers Dragon Suplex off side of cage to win match in the JL*

[Mr. S£im Citrus 0]

Well, I've never seen the first Clash, so I'll have to take your word for it, but I recall the DDT being his stated finisher for the majority of his singles career (I'm certain that he used the DDT as a finisher at least during the Dangerous Alliance era, since I have most of that stuff on DVD), despite the fact that he was obviously most well known for his signature Spinebuster.

 

On that subject, I always thought it strange that his Spinebuster was seen as a transition for much of his career, despite it being the one move that was clearly identified with him, and looked like a legit finisher for the late 80s/early 90s.

[zyon 0]

Yeah I'm definitely new school.

 

As far as the Dragon suplex being a transition move. I don' think I used it as so since then end of the match came soon after. The dragon suplex was definitely a potential move that could have ended the match. But after going back to read the match I definitely could have took more time to sell the move.

 

As for the DDT I guess it matters what kind of way its used in.

 

I also picture WWE/WCW guys being different from SWF guys. I agree the dragon suplex used to definitely be a good finisher, and I can see the reason why people wouldn't want to take the move. But when Regal and more importantly Steven "Lifetime WWE Jobber" Richards kicks out of the move, I guess I don't view the move as completely DEATH anymore.

 

And as for Arn Anderson. I'll admit I don't remember him much as a wrestler, but I'm sure I've seen him get plenty of wins with the spinebuster. Also at least in my opinion I remember AA's DDT not being special at all, as compared to Ravens and Jake Roberts.

[JJ Johnson 0]

Regal's a tough son of a bitch, so don't think him kicking out devalues the move. Richards I can understand. But when a move is so stiff people are scared of taking it, even from a guy who knows what he's doing better than anyone else in Chris Benoit, you know a move's death.

 

 

Was it Tully Blanchard or Ole Anderson that did the slingshot suplex as their finisher? Wouldn't a slingshot dragon suplex be the absolute coolest spot ever? Get em up and bounce them on their ass off the top rope, then use that momentum for the suplex?

 

 

*adds that to "Finishers" section*

 

*well, maybe not*

[Toxxic 0]

Raynor should come back and use the Slingshot Dragon Superplex as the Acid Rayne v.4 (wasn't the V.2 a Slingshot Superplex?)