The Czech Republic 0 Report post Posted July 30, 2005 Barack Obama Rising Star! Barack Obama Rising Star! Barack Obama Rising Star! Barack Obama Rising Star! Barack Obama Rising Star! Barack Obama Rising Star! Barack Obama Rising Star! Barack Obama Rising Star! Barack Obama Rising Star! Barack Obama Rising Star! Yeah we look to be just as fucked in 08 as 04, because the Republican Party has abandoned small government and civil liberties for statism and "homeland security." Then you have the Democrats, who have no ideas whatsoever and sound ridiculous whenever they open their mouths, because everything is just BUSH IS HITLER BAD BAD BAD! 2008 will be the first presidential election I can vote in (I missed 04 by a month), and nothing the Republicans do to fuck up is going to be enough to make me vote Democratic. Please, GOP, let the minimal government crowd take the party back from the neoconservatives, because neoconservatism vs. socialism is a dreadful matchup. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Masked Man of Mystery 0 Report post Posted July 30, 2005 My mentioning of him is just because I'd be interested to see if the real right wing wackjobs would let their racism slip, like they did with those awful McCain rumors Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AndrewTS 0 Report post Posted July 30, 2005 Clark is considered a complete loser. He got positively pummeled last time. Of course, 19/20 of people would hear his name, and go " who?" and may not connect the stigma right away. However, AFAIK he has no interest in running. Allegedly, however, John Edwards is. Obviously he'd suck hard and would lose. Plus, since there's no way to get that perverse "dream match" debate of Edwards/Bush, I can't think of a single reason to support him. Bayh or Biden looks to be the most probable candidate for the Dems. Gut says Bayh. GOP candidates--George Allen I think is one of the few to definitively announce he's running, but there are more high-profile choices that haven't really announced it yet. McCain is too damaged and doesn't really follow the party line. Gingrich would be heavily attacked by Democrats. Pataki I can't really say. Rudy's weaknesses already have been mentioned. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Big Ol' Smitty 0 Report post Posted July 30, 2005 Clark was very green in politics in 04. He will be much more seasoned by 08. Right now he's working as an analyst for Faux News so maybe he'll build up a reputation with its esteemed audience. I don't think he's said that he didn't want to run again. I think I could get behind a Clark bid. I would prefer Russ Feingold, but he just went through a divorce so a run seems unlikely. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Big Ol' Smitty 0 Report post Posted July 30, 2005 Barack Obama Rising Star! Barack Obama Rising Star! Barack Obama Rising Star! Barack Obama Rising Star! Barack Obama Rising Star! Barack Obama Rising Star! Barack Obama Rising Star! Barack Obama Rising Star! Barack Obama Rising Star! Barack Obama Rising Star! <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Obama is incredibly popular. http://www.surveyusa.com/100USSenatorAppro...tings061305.htm Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AndrewTS 0 Report post Posted July 30, 2005 I don't think he's said that he didn't want to run again. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Naw, he didn't say anything either way. He seems like a decent candidate, more likeable than Hillary and not dreadfully dull like Kerry, but 4 years seems a bit too soon after being crushed in a presidential campaign. 8 perhaps would be fine (although if Dems win this time, he'd have to wait longer). maybe he'll build up a reputation with its esteemed audience. *sarcasm detector explodes* Please, GOP, let the minimal government crowd take the party back from the neoconservatives I'll drink to that. And could we please stop considering Barack for, oh, another 8 years or so? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Spaceman Spiff 0 Report post Posted July 30, 2005 Test polls out of Iowa are showing that he's not faring too well there plus Guiliani is pro-choice, which the christian right isn't going for. Pro-choice AND pro gay rights, so he's pretty fucked even *before* getting into his skeletons. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SuperJerk 0 Report post Posted July 30, 2005 I think Smit was being sarcastic, since Hillary tends to bring out the Partisan Fuckery in people. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Yeah, I was being sarcastic. Corey Lazarus' post was dumb. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Sorry. My sarcasometer hasn't been working lately. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vampiro69 0 Report post Posted July 30, 2005 Well being from the midwest/plain states I can state that Hillary is absoultely dispised out here. Obama is still to new to be running for president. I say that he runs in 2012 depening on the republican ticket. People in the media have stated that they expect the 2008 ticket to be Jeb Bush vs Hillary. I disagree with that because I think that the American public will be sick of seeing the names Clinton and Bush as choices for the presidency. I see the Republican choices as being Frist Delay( dumb choice if they go that route) McCain (too old but I like him anyways) Guiliani ( too many skeletons in the closet) Santorum (Man I hope not) Deemecrats Hillary (Yuck!) Obama (too soon) Edwards (too closely assiciated with 2004 election) Daschle (needs something to do) I just don't see the democrats having many options this point for the 2008 election. I am sure I am forgeting someone but we will soon see. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Czech Republic 0 Report post Posted July 31, 2005 Daschle, because he needs something to do? He's a failed Senator. He ain't shit. Nobody likes him. He sucked as the floor leader so badly that he was voted out of office and replaced by a Republican. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Danville_Wrestling 0 Report post Posted July 31, 2005 I fear that if McCain doesn't win the primaries he could run as an independent and pull a Ross Perot. Therefore, if Hillary gets the Dems nod and the GOP goes with someone else we could see another Clinton elected to the White House with like 43% of the vote or something. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vampiro69 0 Report post Posted July 31, 2005 Daschle, because he needs something to do? He's a failed Senator. He ain't shit. Nobody likes him. He sucked as the floor leader so badly that he was voted out of office and replaced by a Republican. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Dashcle actually brought in alot for South Dakota. The trouble is that SD is highly republican except for the Souix Falls area. It wasn't smart of them to vote Dashcle out and replace him with a senator with little power due to the fact that Daschle brought SD alot of pork from various bills. What I was saying though is that he is a big longshot but is an option, even though it is highly unlikely. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jobber of the Week 0 Report post Posted July 31, 2005 Dean isn't the wackjob liberal everyone thinks he is Yes. he's pretty moderate No. Dean's opinions on some issues such as gun control or death penalty may be different from the far-left platform, but he's just as loud and proud about his positions as all the other partisans are. "Moderate" implies that you listen and give thought to a dissenting opinion, and I've never really seen Dean do that other than change his death penalty position from "you might kill an innocent" to "these victims deserve justice." Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SuperJerk 0 Report post Posted July 31, 2005 Please, GOP, let the minimal government crowd take the party back from the neoconservatives, because neoconservatism vs. socialism is a dreadful matchup. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Do you even know what socialism is? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Czech Republic 0 Report post Posted July 31, 2005 Yeah, I'm just being a Partisan Hack® and calling the Democrats a bunch of socialists. Someone has to! I'm like the last conservative standing. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SuperJerk 0 Report post Posted July 31, 2005 So long as you admit it, I guess. The rest of that original post was fucking great, though. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CBright7831 0 Report post Posted July 31, 2005 I for some reason cannot see Frist as a candidate. I think Hilary may win, if she attempts to run. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Masked Man of Mystery 0 Report post Posted July 31, 2005 No frickin' way Hillary wins. She's a very conservative Democrat, and, for some reason, the right hates the Clintons so much(which don't make a lick o' sense to me). I'm suprised no one's talking about Mr. Brite Smile Mitt Romney yet. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SuperJerk 0 Report post Posted July 31, 2005 I for some reason cannot see Frist as a candidate. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> He's not running for reelection in 2006, and has been a very prominent supporter of Pres. Bush as Senate leader. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Big Ol' Smitty 0 Report post Posted July 31, 2005 Frist's stem cell flip-flop may have hurt his chances with the Dobson set. http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Publ...05/896uigck.asp Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SuperJerk 0 Report post Posted July 31, 2005 My thoughts on the Dobson set can be summed up by reading Matthew 6:5. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SuperJerk 0 Report post Posted August 4, 2005 Frist not invited to evangelical rally House Majority Leader Tom DeLay will speak WASHINGTON (AP) -- Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist spoke by video to the first "Justice Sunday" evangelical rally in April, but he wasn't invited to address "Justice Sunday II," even though it's in his home state of Tennessee. Since the first rally, the potential 2008 presidential candidate has angered the events' organizers by stating his support for expanded human embryonic stem cell research. (Full story) House Majority Leader Tom DeLay, R-Texas, was invited to speak at the August 14 rally. Family Research Council president Tony Perkins said Tuesday on the group's Web site that Frist's recently announced stem cell stance "reflects an unwise and unnecessary choice both for public policy and for respecting the dignity of human life." Several Republicans close to Frist said he came to his decision after consulting with scientists at Stanford University and elsewhere and watching biomedical research advance overseas He said the 22 lines of embryonic stem cells now available for research are deteriorating and don't meet the needs of scientists searching for cures. Stem cells derived from embryos can develop into any kind of tissue in the body. Scientists are looking at ways to manipulate them to replace diseased or injured tissues. President Bush remains intent on vetoing the House-passed bill that would loosen his 2001 restrictions on funding of research using stem cells from days-old embryos in a search for cures to spinal cord injuries, Parkinson's and other diseases. Not just stem cells Perkins also has been annoyed with Frist for allowing a compromise on Bush's judicial nominations. In a telephone interview late Tuesday, Perkins said Frist wasn't invited because he had participated by videotape in the group's previous event. The main reason the event is being held in Nashville, he said, is that it is easier to line up country music stars there to perform. "There is a disagreement" with Frist, he said, but held open the possibility that the majority leader could be invited to future events. The August 14 gathering, entitled "Justice Sunday II: God Save the United States and this Honorable Court!" is the second in a series of televised church demonstrations. The organizers hope to voice support for Bush Supreme Court nominee John Roberts and bring attention to judicial matters of importance to evangelicals, said Amber Hildebrand, a spokeswoman for the Family Research Council. Frist will not be in Tennessee the day of the event, said spokeswoman Amy Call. Another conservative group that will participate in the rally, Focus on the Family, is also upset about Frist's stem cell decision. Spokesman Paul Hetrick said, "Our views have not changed; Senator Frist's views have evidently changed." The first "Justice Sunday" event, held in April at a Louisville, Kentucky, church, was aimed at stopping a potential filibuster of several nominees for the federal bench. Frist had threatened to try to change Senate rules to prevent certain filibusters if Democrats persisted, a move applauded by the rally organizers. Weeks later, 14 Senate Republicans and Democrats forged a compromise. Some conservatives criticized it and blamed Frist for allowing it to take place. "There will be repercussions," Perkins said at the time. credit: http://www.cnn.com/2005/POLITICS/08/02/fri...l.ap/index.html "Justice Sunday II: God Save the United States and this Honorable Court!" sucks as title. I'd have gone with "Justice Sunday II: Electric Boogaloo" or "2 Justice 2 Sunday". If they wanted to be honest, they'd call it "Justice Sunday II: Claiming to Preserve Democratic Process by Packing the Courts with People Who Disagree with the Majority of Americans." Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Big Ol' Smitty 0 Report post Posted August 5, 2005 Justice Funday? I think it's cool that Vader, al-Sadr and Khoemeini were at the first one. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AndrewTS 0 Report post Posted August 5, 2005 If they wanted to be honest, they'd call it "Justice Sunday II: Claiming to Preserve Democratic Process by Packing the Courts with People Who Disagree with the Majority of Americans." If you wanted to be truly representative of the people's will, half of the SC would be totally indifferent, about a quarter would be slightly left, and a quarter a bit more to the right. I must have never gotten the Christian pamphlet, "Why We Feel Jesus Would Be Against Stem Cell Research." I mean, sure, abortion is a divisive issue, but do they think research labs will put out cards saying "The Need is Real. The Time is Now. Please abort your baby so we can use its stem cells for research"? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SuperJerk 0 Report post Posted August 5, 2005 If you wanted to be truly representative of the people's will, half of the SC would be totally indifferent, about a quarter would be slightly left, and a quarter a bit more to the right. While I would never argue that the Supreme Court should be slaves to the will of the majority, I find it hypocritical that conservatives VEHEMENTLY argue that courts are too anti-democratic, but want the courts to do so many things that contradict the opinions of most people. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CheesalaIsGood 0 Report post Posted August 5, 2005 Get used to it dude, sorry to say. The extremes from both sides are going to be pushing HARD to get the parties more to the left or right as it were. The next election is going to be UGLY. Even more ugly if Steve Forbes runs again. Not that I heard he is or anything. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SuperJerk 0 Report post Posted August 6, 2005 I actually hope Forbes runs. I can't wait to hear him claim how the flat tax will cure the common cold. I always liked watching Lamar! Alexander's face during the 1996 debates. You could tell he was thinking "Am I the only sane motherfucker here?" Too bad the guy's campaign got toasted because he didn't know the price of milk. I kind of liked the guy. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Boon 0 Report post Posted August 6, 2005 If MikeSC was here, he'd tell us all about how Condy Rice is going to win the GOP nomination. Also- people I know that worked for the Kerry campaign say that Edwards is working on blaming Kerry for their loss and gearing himself up for another run. I, too, am wondering about Mitt Romney- local libs recently went on the record praising the tax cuts in MA. Be interesting to see what develops, if anything. As long as it's not another Clinton or another Bush, I'll be content. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Danville_Wrestling 0 Report post Posted August 6, 2005 As long as it's not another Clinton or another Bush, I'll be content. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Here, here! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SuperJerk 0 Report post Posted August 7, 2005 If MikeSC was here, he'd tell us all about how Condy Rice is going to win the GOP nomination. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> And he'd be wrong. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
