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[Art Sandusky 0]

Jason White retired. Why do guys whose careers end once they get drafted even bother retiring? Sounds like they were doing well in the NFL for fifteen seasons or something.

[iggymcfly 0]

Because it's their last chance to ever see themselves on the news.

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Who does everyone think will lead college football in rushing this year?  I would have to say Adrian Peterson.  Oklahoma lost some important pieces on the offensive side of the ball, so I think Adrian Peterson will be called on more times than he was last year and I have no reason to doubt he should answer the call every single game.

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I'm inclined to think it will be a player from one of the smaller schools (less competition - see how often a North Texas back had led the NCAA). If he's healthy, Memphis RB DeAngelo Williams would be a good bet, as would New Mexico RB DonTrell Moore.

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Right line of reasoning, but I think you've mentioned the wrong players.

 

For one, DeAngelo Williams got hurt in his bowl game last year and may not be 100% this season.

 

 

My choice is Jamario Thomas, a sophmore at North Texas.

 

North Texas only plays one top-tier team this year, LSU.

 

The rest of their schedule includes a down Kansas State team as well as OK mid-major teams like Tulsa, Troy, and Middle Tennessee State, before getting to the true crap like Louisiana-Lafayette, Louisiana-Monroe, Louisiana Tech, and Arkansas State.

 

 

Given that Thomas rushed for 1800 yards last year, despite having games against Texas (Rose Bowl champs), Colorado (Big 12 North champs), and Southern Miss (Perennially one of the best defenses in the country), he should have a field day against some of the crap teams on their schedule.

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I thought about Jamario Thomas, but I figure he will be splitting time with the returning Patrick Cobbs.

[Damaramu 0]

Jason White retired. Why do guys whose careers end once they get drafted even bother retiring? Sounds like they were doing well in the NFL for fifteen seasons or something.

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It sounds better than saying "I quit" or "You're cut"???

I'm pretty sure that he saw the writing on the wall and knew he was about to get cut so decided to save himself the humiliation and just blame it on his bum knees. He said that practicing everyday was the problem yeah well he practiced everyday at OU last season and claimed to feel fine the entire season. I think he was going to get cut and he realized the dream was dead.

 

Supposedly in addition to coaching at OU as an option Steve Owens wants to go into business with him. Heismans Used Cars?

[iggymcfly 0]

Just be glad that he didn't get the Heisman last year. I mean if the second ever back to back Heisman winner couldn't even make an NFL roster, I don't think the Heisman Trophy would ever mean anything again.

[Damaramu 0]

Just be glad that he didn't get the Heisman last year. I mean if the second ever back to back Heisman winner couldn't even make an NFL roster, I don't think the Heisman Trophy would ever mean anything again.

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The Heisman Trophy should have nothing to do with your NFL career or if you have an NFL career. It should have to do with your accomplishments in college. Period.

[Hogan Made Wrestling 0]

Just be glad that he didn't get the Heisman last year. I mean if the second ever back to back Heisman winner couldn't even make an NFL roster, I don't think the Heisman Trophy would ever mean anything again.

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The Heisman Trophy should have nothing to do with your NFL career or if you have an NFL career. It should have to do with your accomplishments in college. Period.

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Exactly. I'm really sick of people thinking the Heisman is supposed to be "best NFL player in the NCAA". It's "best NCAA player in the NCAA".

[iggymcfly 0]

I'm not saying that the Heisman should necessarily go to the best NFL prospect. Obviously, it should go to the best college player.

 

However, if the Heisman Trophy winner isn't one of the most 250 talented players graduating that year as determined by the best evaluators in the world, (the NFL), is he really the best player? More likely he's just an above average player who was in the right place at the right time.

[Art Sandusky 0]

Since the draft is picking the best college players, the Heisman winner should actually say a great deal about their ability to play on a higher level, since they've (according to the award) beaten out every other player in the country for the award. And any time someone uses the "it's just for the NCAA" argument, they forget the many great NFL players who were Heisman winners. If the award wasn't such a farce each year it might actually become a more consistent way of seeing someone's NFL mettle.

[Damaramu 0]

Since the draft is picking the best college players, the Heisman winner should actually say a great deal about their ability to play on a higher level, since they've (according to the award) beaten out every other player in the country for the award. And any time someone uses the "it's just for the NCAA" argument, they forget the many great NFL players who were Heisman winners. If the award wasn't such a farce each year it might actually become a more consistent way of seeing someone's NFL mettle.

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I think fans just think it's a farce b/c people they don't like win.

[Art Sandusky 0]

Pff, whatever. I didn't care a bit when Peyton Manning was up for it, and was glad to hear on Sportscenter that night how he didn't win. It's a farce because every year they show guys who were really superlative but it's limited to one or two puff segments to remind people there's life outside of the big conferences and mid-majors. Only guys from big schools are ever considered, and you have stuff like the press all watching one guy in a single game so he can "make a case for a Heisman Trophy," and other shit like being a west coast player hurting your chances. Fuck that shit. It's a fuckin' farce to even try and label a player of the year out of 117 schools in the first place, but at least pick the guys who really make their squad stand out and were seemingly the whole team. Eli Manning in 2003 was the closest thing we've had to this in a good while. Other considered guys were on teams that would have done just fine without them. Is it the Most Efficient Cog In The Machine trophy? No, it's The Whole Fuckin' Machine (also known as the Heisman) trophy.

[cabbageboy 0]

Well, Eli I think could have won the Heisman had Mississippi beaten LSU that year, but the kicker was shitty and missed a couple FGs and they didn't.

 

In regards to Peyton Manning, I think him losing it to Charles Woodson in 1997 is the first time I ever thought "Man, this award is a total joke." Woodson's entire campaign consisted of maybe 5 or 6 Sportscenter moments. Bear in mind that year in the west coast region of the balloting Manning finished behind Ryan Fucking Leaf as well.

[Damaramu 0]

Well I guess I'm just not as jaded to it as the rest of you guys.

[ANKLELOCK 0]

Manning got screwed.

 

 

Thank you.

[Damaramu 0]

Manning got screwed.

 

 

Thank you.

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Which one? Both of them?

I don't know about Charles Woodson but I know Jason White was statistically better than Eli Manning and I honestly don't think OU would've been undefeated going up against KSU that year if they didn't have White. They probably would've lost to Alabama and possibly Texas(White was the driving force in that game).

[therealworldschampion 0]

Had Peyton beaten Florida for once he would've won the Heisman without a doubt...

 

Woodson won his biggest game(Ohio State, returned a punt for a TD and had a solid game receiving and defensively) while Manning played like absolute shit against Florida...

[teke184 0]

LSU news:

 

Latest word out of Baton Rouge is that starting RB Alley Broussard has torn up his knee and will be out all year.

 

This hurts because, despite the fact that 2003 Sugar Bowl MVP Justin Vincent can step in and start, Broussard was a hard-running bruiser who could create holes by knocking defenders out of his way.

 

Broussard's loss hurts LSU's chances at a national championship, although an SEC West championship is still likely, and an SEC Title Game win is still a possibility.

[Damaramu 0]

But isn't Vincent a pretty good runner himself? I mean he's obviously not as good as Broussard or he would be starting but isn't he going to provide some quality in the backfield?

Hey what is the QB situation at LSU?

[ANKLELOCK 0]

How in the world did Vincent lose the starting job after getting Sugar Bowl MVP in 2003? He was great in that game. When did Broussard ever pass him?

[Damaramu 0]

How in the world did Vincent lose the starting job after getting Sugar Bowl MVP in 2003? He was great in that game.  When did Broussard ever pass him?

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I didn't really get to see LSU much last season so apparently Broussard was really good.....wasn't he? Did he start the season as the starter last year?

[yankovic fan 0]

But isn't Vincent a pretty good runner himself? I mean he's obviously not as good as Broussard or he would be starting but isn't he going to provide some quality in the backfield?

Hey what is the QB situation at LSU?

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LSU QB Situation:

 

Jamarcus Russel- Had an ok year last year. Was a star in high school.

 

Matt Flynn- I hear great things about him, but he was #3 last year.

 

Ryan Perriloux- Supposed to be the top rated QB out of high school per some experts. He's overrated. My alma mater was in the same district as his high school. I've seen him play. The district was 7 or 8 teams, only three were worth a damn. The rest were cream puffs. He'd have great numbers against them, and then he'd usually go 1-1 against the other two schools of the big three.

 

He has an attitude problem. A friend of mine works in LSU media department and said with R.P. was touring the campus he had a prima donna attitude. In fact for a game last year at my alma mater, he was thrown out in the first quarter for unsportsman like conduct after scoring. I was like "HELLO!? We have a losing record every year, of course you're going to score easily on us!"

 

Anyway, that's my rant. Teke is more of an LSU fan than I.

[Coolclint 0]

Had Peyton beaten Florida for once he would've won the Heisman without a doubt...

 

Woodson won his biggest game(Ohio State, returned a punt for a TD and had a solid game receiving and defensively) while Manning played like absolute shit against Florida...

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Precisely. Peyton was proving in college he couldn't win the big one; couldn't beat UF, couldn't get the NC, and yet, Tee Martin could.

 

I love being a Gator fan, because no matter how many times a UF QB chokes in the NFL (Shane Matthews, Danny Woeful (lol), Jesse Palmer, Doug Johnson, Rex Grossman), at least we can still laugh at Peyton for not being able to beat us.

 

ps, FSU fans: charlie ward chris weinke and peter warrick free shoes u lol

[Damaramu 0]

Rhett Bomar had the same prima donna attitude. He thought he should've walked into OU last year as a freshman and should've been given the starting job over Jason White.

Hell one of my friends plays softball and she overheard Bomar at lunch one time talking about how much better he was than White and about how he should be the starter and shouldn't have to redshirt.

His father even called in to the local radio one time and bitched about how White had deprived his boy of an opportunity.

That's why I want Paul Thompson to start so badly(that and I think he's better than Bomar) and I hope to god that Thompson is the starter this season.

[Vern Gagne 0]

You people talk has if the Heisman used to be a stepping stone to a great pro career. From the first winner Jay Berwanger who didn't even play in the NFL to Jason White who "retired" without playing a single NFL game. The Heisman has seen plenty of winner for whatever reason never panned out in the NFL.

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After some quick research, the first 11 Heisman winners never played in the NFL although there was a time when college football was deemed as being more important the pro football. The first ever to play in the NFL was the 1946 winner, Glenn Davis a running back from Army. After serving in Korea he played two years with the Rams.

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Rhett Bomar had the same prima donna attitude. He thought he should've walked into OU last year as a freshman and should've been given the starting job over Jason White.

Hell one of my friends plays softball and she overheard Bomar at lunch one time talking about how much better he was than White and about how he should be the starter and shouldn't have to redshirt.

His father even called in to the local radio one time and bitched about how White had deprived his boy of an opportunity.

That's why I want Paul Thompson to start so badly(that and I think he's better than Bomar) and I hope to god that Thompson is the starter this season.

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Judging by his interview in the paper I'd say he still has it. When asked about the passes he was throwing( 2 interception ) he claimed his reads were not wrong at all; he just miss-fired on the throw. I think he should get some game experience behind Thompson first, and then if Thompson starts playing shitty let Bomber have a throw.

 

I've seen Rhett Bomber play and he can be damned good, but that was only against the second string defense.

[Damaramu 0]

His numbers weren't as good as Thompson in the last scrimmage either.

Thompson was 17 of 28 for 192 yards and 1 TD.

Bomar was 16 of 36 for 151 yards 2 TD and 2 INTs.

I like Thompson as more of a leader and more of a polished player than Bomar.

[teke184 0]

Getting back to Justin Vincent...

 

 

He lost his starting job last year because everyone keyed off of him, which meant that no holes opened up for him to punch through.l

 

Broussard, OTOH, is a bruiser who creates his own holes so he was able to take over.

 

 

The bad QB situation also contributed to this, as they needed constant yards on the ground to make up for shitty decisionmaking by the QB and Broussard was always good for X number of yards while Vincent was hot-and-cold.

[lomasmoney 0]

As much as it pains me to say it, Michael Hart has a good chance to be the leading rusher, that dude is a badass. Rushing behind the traditionally strong UofM o-line doesn't hurt either.

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Yeah poor Michael Hart. He had Freshman phenom written all over him as did Chad Henne but they came on the scene the same year as Adrian Peterson. Course I was looking at this college football message board and according to the Michigan fans there AD can't hold Hart's jock.

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Yeah but that's Michigan fans. Most of them make you look like a mild OU fan. MSU fans hate Michigan fans more than we hate Michigan. Especially considering that 90% of the UofM fans that I have met have never, and will never, be enrolled there.

 

 

(man I used the word fans a lot there)

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I actually am enrolled there, and I am nowhere near the level of a moron as some of the Michigan "fans" I have met. Some people actually thought had Michigan won the 2004 Rose Bowl that they should have been given a share of the national title, completely ignoring the Sugar Bowl. Half the students here are from out of state it seems, and half of them have probably been fans since they had to settle for Ann Arbor instead of Yale. If they were true fans they would know Michigan is good for one-two just horribly bad losses on the road where the coaching staff goes Eugene. By the way, as far as MSU goes, I don't hate the school as much as most people around here. I have family who went there, I almost went there, and I have had way too much fun. Plus, MSU is good for beating at least one time I do hate, Norte Dame or Ohio State, at least once every few years

[Crimson Platypus 0]

I actually am enrolled there, and I am nowhere near the level of a moron as some of the Michigan "fans" I have met.  Some people actually thought had Michigan won the 2004 Rose Bowl that they should have been given a share of the national title, completely ignoring the Sugar Bowl.  Half the students here are from out of state it seems, and half of them have probably been fans since they had to settle for Ann Arbor instead of Yale.  If they were true fans they would know Michigan is good for one-two just horribly bad losses on the road where the coaching staff goes Eugene.  By the way, as far as MSU goes, I don't hate the school as much as most people around here.  I have family who went there, I almost went there, and I have had way too much fun.  Plus, MSU is good for beating at least one time I do hate, Norte Dame or Ohio State, at least once every few years

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Actually yeah I was going to mention that you are not "one of them". Didn't know if you were enrolled or not though so I didn't post it. My best friend is in the same boat as you (graduated though). He's a UofM fan that roots for MSU whenever they play OSU or ND as well. I really don't get the love that some UofM people give to Carr, I personally think he's a terrible coach, but an awesome recruiter. Considering the talent he consistently gets there they should always be in title contention. Like you said though... they always have those one or two road losses that are just bad, bad losses. Most of the time due to bad coaching.