Moms make war look bad.

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Both those articles have taken her quotes out of context and tried to imply she had this big meeting with Bush, when in fact, those quotes weren't even regarding her meeting with Bush in the first place.

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And you know this..... how?

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Besides hearing her say it herself on two seperate radio shows? If I can find a transcript I will post it.

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Both those articles have taken her quotes out of context and tried to imply she had this big meeting with Bush, when in fact, those quotes weren't even regarding her meeting with Bush in the first place.

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And you know this..... how?

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Besides hearing her say it herself on two seperate radio shows? If I can find a transcript I will post it.

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I am trying I swear, but local radio shows aren't really known for posting transcripts on the show on the internet. This was a Sacramento(Sheehan being from Vacaville and all which is approx 40 miles from Sacramento.) radio interview, that took place before the media even took notice in this story, basically back when Sheehan was out there by herself.

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http://peterdavid.malibulist.com/

 

 

And now a word from one of my favourite writers.

 

 

And what did you do on YOUR summer vacation, Mrs. Sheehan?

 

In the "West Wing" episode "Inauguration," scriptwriter Aaron Sorkin has his characters quoting--I believe--Margaret Mead in saying, ""Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world; indeed, it's the only thing that ever does."

 

So now we're seeing this taking hold in Crawford, Texas, as Cindy Sheehan puts exactly what the White House has never wanted onto the losses in Iraq: A HUMAN FACE.

 

I have to admit, I think it's absurd when I read the contention that her son joined the army some years back but never thought he'd actually have to GO anywhere. Ma'am, he joined the ARMY. Did he think it was all Sergeant Bilko or Gomer Pyle? I mean, sure, there were those eight reviled years of peace and prosperity, but there was no guarantee it was going to last.

 

Nevertheless, when the time came, her son did what he signed up to do. Did what he had to do. And now she's doing what she has to do--getting in the President's face. And the President is doing what he has to do--hide in his ranch and wait for this to go away.

 

She's demanding accountability from her president.. Now we see just how much building rage there is in this country in terms of others likewise demanding it.

 

PAD

 

UPDATE--I really like this notion, as mentioned below: "Wouldn't it be interesting if some of the other moms who lost their sons in Iraq decided to join that one-woman protest, so that it continued to grow in size...and grow...and grow..."

 

It'd be like Mothers Against Drunk Driving, except it's Mothers Opposing Bush. MOB. "Yes, there's a MOB scene here in Crawford." "MOB rule has broken out outside the White House..."

 

Interesting thought.

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I have to admit, I think it's absurd when I read the contention that her son joined the army some years back but never thought he'd actually have to GO anywhere. Ma'am, he joined the ARMY. Did he think it was all Sergeant Bilko or Gomer Pyle? I mean, sure, there were those eight reviled years of peace and prosperity, but there was no guarantee it was going to last.

 

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Showdown in Texas

Gold star mother wants answers from President Bush

 

MSNBC

Updated: 9:46 a.m. ET Aug. 13, 2005

 

As the war continues in Iraq, the number of U.S. troops who lost their lives, continue to grow.  Since, August 2, when the President left for a vacation on his Texas ranch, 38 troops have died in Iraq. While President Bush continues to highlight progress and possible exit strategy talks, some families of fallen troops want answers and want the war to stop.

 

One women, Cindy Sheehan is a Gold Star Mother, a mother who lost a son in military service.  She‘s camped out near the President‘s ranch, demanding a meeting with him to ask him to bring home those troops who did not meet her son‘s fate.

 

On Thursday, Keith Olbermann, host of 'Countdown’ spoke with Sheehan about the reasons why her grief turned to anger and what she plans to do about it.

 

KEITH OLBERMANN, HOST, 'COUNTDOWN’:  At about the same time the President spoke to the media, the mother of Army Specialist Casey Sheehan, who died at Sadr City, Iraq, in April 2004, held a news conference of her own, joined by other families.  Cindy Sheehan pledged to stay camped outside that ranch for the duration of the president's August vacation, adding that if he does not talk with her there, she may to go Washington in September.

 

And while the President did not talk with her directly today, he did finally address her presence and her purpose.  You heard what the President said today at his news conference.  What's your response to that?

 

CINDY SHEEHAN, GOLD STAR MOTHER:  I don't want the President's sympathy.  You know, I want to talk to him, and I want answers to my questions.  And I want him to tell me the noble cause that my son died for.  And I want him to stop using my son's name and the name of the other lost loved ones and Gold Star Families for Peace.  We want him to stop using our children's name to justify the continued killing.

 

OLBERMANN:  As I mentioned earlier, as is well known here, you spoke with Mr. Bush last year, and your comments to your local newspaper in California about that meeting have made the rounds anew on the Internet this week, how you had said that you had felt he was sincere about wanting freedom for the Iraqis, that he had felt obviously some pain for your loss.

 

Two questions about those quotes, first being, your critics say they suggest that you have changed your stance on the war, on Mr. Bush, in the interim.  Is that true, or is it false?

 

SHEEHAN:  No, it's false.  If they had read the whole article, or talked about the whole article, it would have shown that I was already having serious misgivings about the mission that keeps on changing all the time.

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And the other day, I wonder if they blogged about this.  My hometown newspaper said Cindy Sheehan has not changed her position.  It's just become clarified and it's become more focused, and her mission has become more important to her.

 

OLBERMANN:  Second question about the meeting in June of last year.  What could you say to President Bush now that you could not have said to him then?  Or why didn't you say then what you want to say now?

 

SHEEHAN:  Good question.  June of 2004 is a lot different than August of 2005.  For one thing, in June of 2004, I had buried my son nine weeks before the meeting.  I was a woman in a deep state of shock, in a deep state of grief.  And you know what?  I am still in a deep state of grief.  And thanks to George Bush, I will be in a deep state of grief for the rest of my life.

 

But I'm not in shock anymore.  The Duelfer weapons of mass destruction report came out, the 9/11 commission report came out, the Downing Street memos came out, the Senate Intelligence Committee report came out.  These have all come out since my son was killed.  They show categorically that my son, his murder was premeditated, that there was no reason to invade Iraq.

 

And that's what I want the answers to today, in August of 2005.

 

 

OLBERMANN:  Another part of this story that has developed in terms of the criticism and this political flashpoint that has developed around you, that seems so reminiscent of a lot of protests.  I kept thinking about your camp there, and it sort of being a parallel world to that, the whole Terri Schiavo protest situation that just became a Mideast phenomenon.

 

There is an e-mail that purports to be from members of your family that denounces your presence there in Crawford.  It was sent to a right-wing Web site.  Is there any truth in it?  Are there members of your family who are upset with what you're doing there?

 

SHEEHAN:  There's members of my—they're my in-laws.  And we have always been politically on the opposite sides of the fence.  And we always kind of did it good-naturedly.  You know, my father-in-law would call me Meathead and I would call him Archie, and we would just fight about politics all the time.

 

But you know what?  When they supported George Bush in November, and when they voted for the man who I consider killed their grandson, that's when—that was it.  That, to me, was a betrayal of Casey, and it hurt me so deeply.  I haven't spoken to them since.

 

And our family, Casey's dad and my other three children, are 100 percent behind me and agree with me philosophically about what's going on.  I just talked to my husband, and he said, he said, Cindy, you know I've always supported you philosophically.  I know George Bush did the wrong thing, and I had nothing to do with what my sister wrote.

 

OLBERMANN:  The nature of the media coverage you're getting now, the response from other families of soldiers killed in Iraq, all of that, from the perspective of your protest there, in a way, isn't it really better if President Bush doesn't meet with you?

 

SHEEHAN:  I would think so, yes.  I think it's great.  And if he would come out right now, it would really defuse the momentum, and I don't want to give them any hints.  And I think that's something they've probably already thought about.

 

But, you know, but we're here.  We're committed.  We're staying the whole month of August, and then we're moving to Washington, D.C.  And we're going to have a 24-hour vigil on his front lawn to keep the pressure on.  The pressure is there.  Sixty-two percent of Americans want our troops home.  And this is giving them a voice to stand up and be counted and say, You know, we want our country back, and we want our troops home.

 

It's good that she's using her son's death for a movement. I'm sure he'd be proud. Given that after he volunatrily enlisted, he re-enlisted knowing that he'd be going to Iraq.

 

In her own words, another meeting would hurt the movement. She said they've thought about that- then why wouldn't they have another meeting to shut her up? Seems to me like he's doing her a favor by letting her have her five minutes.

 

So now we're seeing this taking hold in Crawford, Texas, as Cindy Sheehan puts exactly what the White House has never wanted onto the losses in Iraq: A HUMAN FACE.

 

Am I the only one whose local news shows pictures and basically reads obits about local soldiers who died? Seems like a pretty apparent human face put on those losses. You know- people compare Iraq to Vietnam, so you throw out the numbers and you see the degree of casualties is way off. So then people claim that there's no human face on the losses? I don't get it.

 

And the President is doing what he has to do--hide in his ranch and wait for this to go away.

 

According to her, he's doing her a favor by staying on his pre-planned vacation.

 

UPDATE--I really like this notion, as mentioned below: "Wouldn't it be interesting if some of the other moms who lost their sons in Iraq decided to join that one-woman protest, so that it continued to grow in size...and grow...and grow..."

 

It'd be like Mothers Against Drunk Driving, except it's Mothers Opposing Bush. MOB. "Yes, there's a MOB scene here in Crawford." "MOB rule has broken out outside the White House..."

 

Except that many mothers understand that their children chose to enlist. Those soldiers that fully understood the committment don't blame the President. Those that were in it to get college paid for should have read the writing on the wall. It's not like each and every ARMY ad doesn't have tanks, fatigues, etc.

 

Interesting note: I am not in favor of the war in Iraq- I supported action in Afghanistan, and support democracy in Iraq, however I do not believe the two were connected and should have been handled in the same manner. However, I cannot stand people using the deaths of soldiers to get media attention, to promote political agendas or to take shots at the President. It is dishonorable to those who have died, and it disgusts me.

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She's getting downright silly

I'll find the quote later, but she's stated publicly that the war is a part of Zionist influence... (when she was talking about Palestine)

 

She hurt her cause alot there...Jewish conspiracies are one step removed from talking about Nazi's...

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btw..snopes says that her husband has now filed for divorce.

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Aye, I read that on CNN.com.

 

Perhaps turning their son's death into a circus side-show was not a great move for the marriage.

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Getting better. Now mothers of KIA soldiers are demanding that their son's names be removed from crosses being put up in protest.

 

(from the Washington Post Express this morning)

[Justice 0]

Wow. Moms make the hippie movement look bad.

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Wow. Moms make the hippie movement look bad.

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Cindy didn't start a war on bullshit so anything she does gets kinda eclipsed by 2000 dead americans and the people responsible. Wow indeed.

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Wow. Moms make the hippie movement look bad.

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Cindy didn't start a war on bullshit so anything she does gets kinda eclipsed by 2000 dead americans and the people responsible. Wow indeed.

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Ooooookay. Just because your entire story was derailed because it turns out that this bitch looks like she's using her son's sacrifice for her own personal gain doesn't mean you have to resort to irrelevant comparisons on the war itself.

 

But hey, try to keep to positive! Maybe next time your bullshit story won't hoist your petard!

 

Edited August 17, 2005 by Justice

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Wow. Moms make the hippie movement look bad.

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Cindy didn't start a war on bullshit so anything she does gets kinda eclipsed by 2000 dead americans and the people responsible. Wow indeed.

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Ooooookay. Just because your entire story was derailed because it turns out that this bitch looks like she's using her son's sacrifice for her own personal gain doesn't mean you have to resort to irrelevant comparisons on the war itself.

 

But hey, try to keep to positive! Maybe next time your bullshit story won't hoist your petard!

 

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You have still failed to show what personal gain, she is getting. She has been out there a lot longer then the media and Michael Moore-types decided to get involved. She was out there going strong by herself for a long while.

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Getting better.  Now mothers of KIA soldiers are demanding that their son's names be removed from crosses being put up in protest.

 

(from the Washington Post Express this morning)

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Yes, and other mothers of soldiers KIA are going down there to join her, and support her.

 

Also a Crawford resident decided to shoot his gun off to try and "scare people away" while another guy who wanted surely to prove how much he supports the troops, ran over all the crosses with his pickup truck. Wow, some people just love America SOOOO MUCH.

[Justice 0]

She's getting publicity and spotlight. She's the center of attention for a bit. 15 minutes of fame.

 

Is it really that hard for you to think that she wants a bit of the limelight?

[NoCalMike 0]

This whole thing has a lot more chapters to be written anyway, as Sheehan says she plans to take this to DC once Bush's 500th Vacation has ended, and Washington DC is sure to attract a bigger crowd on a daily basis than Crawford.

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I do find it kind of odd that the politicans from the right are not siding up with her. The only ones who seem to be doing so is left wing radio hosts (Ed Schultz and so on).

 

In my eyes the only reason the press is covering her is that there is nothing else in the news. Roberts is not up for a vote yet, no cute girl kidnapped and missing. It is just a short ammount of time until a new story comes up and this is tossed aside. Except CNN will keep covering it ad nausem.

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She's getting publicity and spotlight. She's the center of attention for a bit. 15 minutes of fame.

 

Is it really that hard for you to think that she wants a bit of the limelight?

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Is it really hard for you to believe that a grieving Mother that watched her son go off to fight in an injust war full of lies and misleading, might want the President to be held accountable?

 

Michael Moore wants the limelight. Sheehan's son is Dead.

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I do think that the president does work while on vacation. I doubt the president really sits around going "You know I should work on trying to get bills passed, but the heck with it, I got a Tee-time to make."

 

I am sure the man does work while he is on vacation.

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She's getting publicity and spotlight. She's the center of attention for a bit. 15 minutes of fame.

 

Is it really that hard for you to think that she wants a bit of the limelight?

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Is it really hard for you to believe that a grieving Mother that watched her son go off to fight in an injust war full of lies and misleading, might want the President to be held accountable?

 

Michael Moore wants the limelight. Sheehan's son is Dead.

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He went over there on his own accord. Sheehan's son made his own choice. She could respect that and not, well, sort of trample all over his grave trying to make a scene. I don't think he'd want that.

 

I can understand a grieving mother and not believing a war. But trying to act like Bush just sent him unwilling to die is a misnomer. Using her son, who willingly went over there, is wrong. If I went over there and my mom tried to prop my death up as an anti-Bush rallying point, I sure wouldn't like it. Perhaps if her son didn't want to go over there, maybe she'd have something. But this seems more like something that her son (And it seems more and more like the rest of the family) firmly disagree with, I think that it's improper.

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Okay, I get the fact that this grieving woman is sad about the loss of her sun, but when she starts turning into an Anti-Semite and calls the President "the biggest terrorist in the world" it's no wonder people stop listening to her. However, I don't really think she's that big of a negative on the GOP or Bush because people know her arguements for a full withdrawal aren't going to happen (nor are plausible) and her ridiculous comments about Iraq being invaded for "oil" and for Jews only decreases her credibility. It's great to know this is what the left feels about fighting terrorism.

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She's getting publicity and spotlight. She's the center of attention for a bit. 15 minutes of fame.

 

Is it really that hard for you to think that she wants a bit of the limelight?

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Is it really hard for you to believe that a grieving Mother that watched her son go off to fight in an injust war full of lies and misleading, might want the President to be held accountable?

 

Michael Moore wants the limelight. Sheehan's son is Dead.

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He went over there on his own accord. Sheehan's son made his own choice. She could respect that and not, well, sort of trample all over his grave trying to make a scene. I don't think he'd want that.

 

I can understand a grieving mother and not believing a war. But trying to act like Bush just sent him unwilling to die is a misnomer. Using her son, who willingly went over there, is wrong. If I went over there and my mom tried to prop my death up as an anti-Bush rallying point, I sure wouldn't like it. Perhaps if her son didn't want to go over there, maybe she'd have something. But this seems more like something that her son (And it seems more and more like the rest of the family) firmly disagree with, I think that it's improper.

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Umm no actually her son was against the war, but he told her that he couldn't break the oath he took. However he was against the idea behind this war. That is why the family had a falling out when Sheehan and her son pleaded with them not to vote for Bush in hopes that the war would end quicker.

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Antiwar mom gets closer site

 

The Associated Press

 

CRAWFORD - One of President Bush's neighbors has offered the free use of his land to dozens of war protesters who have camped in roadside ditches for the past 11 days.

 

Fred Mattlage sympathizes with the demonstrators and wants them to have more room, they said. Their makeshift camp off the winding, two-lane road leading to Bush's ranch has agitated residents, who are complaining of traffic jams and blocked roads.

 

Cindy Sheehan of Vacaville, Calif., started the vigil Aug. 6 to honor her son Casey, who died in Iraq last year. Sheehan vows to remain through Bush's monthlong ranch vacation unless he meets with her and other grieving families.

 

Mattlage made the offer Monday night and protesters accepted it Tuesday. It will put them about a mile closer to Bush's ranch

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I'm just pissed that this has turned into another left/right battleground. These fucking nutso partisans all treat everything as if it's part of a domino effect or something. "Traitor!" "Grieving mother!" "Traitor!" "Grieving mother!" Christ people, just let her chill out there on her own like she was already doing. You think the left would recognize the power of a single person protesting peacefully instead of sending people down there and blowing this up into a collective demonstration against the President. There's a reason the image of the single guy standing in front of the line of tanks at Tiannenmen Square is shown so much. Also, you'd expect the right to go ahead and let the liberals turn this into a circus on their own while attacking those who are REALLY in the wrong here, the people exploiting this for more anti-administration fodder.

 

I'm pretty much disgusted by everyone except the mother herself on this one.

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She's getting publicity and spotlight. She's the center of attention for a bit. 15 minutes of fame.

 

Is it really that hard for you to think that she wants a bit of the limelight?

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Is it really hard for you to believe that a grieving Mother that watched her son go off to fight in an injust war full of lies and misleading, might want the President to be held accountable?

 

Michael Moore wants the limelight. Sheehan's son is Dead.

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He went over there on his own accord. Sheehan's son made his own choice. She could respect that and not, well, sort of trample all over his grave trying to make a scene. I don't think he'd want that.

 

I can understand a grieving mother and not believing a war. But trying to act like Bush just sent him unwilling to die is a misnomer. Using her son, who willingly went over there, is wrong. If I went over there and my mom tried to prop my death up as an anti-Bush rallying point, I sure wouldn't like it. Perhaps if her son didn't want to go over there, maybe she'd have something. But this seems more like something that her son (And it seems more and more like the rest of the family) firmly disagree with, I think that it's improper.

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Umm no actually her son was against the war, but he told her that he couldn't break the oath he took. However he was against the idea behind this war. That is why the family had a falling out when Sheehan and her son pleaded with them not to vote for Bush in hopes that the war would end quicker.

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Is this info from another interview that she did? Seems like really personal/private info, just wondering how you came across it.

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and her ridiculous comments about Iraq being invaded for "oil"

 

Yeah! Ridiculous!

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Wow. Moms make the hippie movement look bad.

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Cindy didn't start a war on bullshit so anything she does gets kinda eclipsed by 2000 dead americans and the people responsible. Wow indeed.

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Ooooookay. Just because your entire story was derailed because it turns out that this bitch looks like she's using her son's sacrifice for her own personal gain doesn't mean you have to resort to irrelevant comparisons on the war itself.

 

But hey, try to keep to positive! Maybe next time your bullshit story won't hoist your petard!

 

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Derailed my ass! Since you have no solid return arguement I'll let it slide. There is no way that this woman standing up for her son is going to be made to look bad. Sorry, greiving mothers don't get to look that way. It takes a real fuckhead to shit on a mother who has just lost their son. Wanna know where they live? Check that election map and look for red.

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well, she had to go back to LA cause her mom had a stroke. Bet some nutjobs will say that Bush and his cronies somehow caused her to have a stroke.

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I almost forgot about that! That sonofaBITCH!

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There is no way that this woman standing up for her son is going to be made to look bad. Sorry, greiving mothers don't get to look that way. It takes a real fuckhead to shit on a mother who has just lost their son. Wanna know where they live? Check that election map and look for red.

 

Her son voluntarily reenlisted after his hitch was up, and volunteered for the mission where he was killed.

 

“…Research about Casey Sheehan revealed that contrary to being tricked by military recruiters, Casey Sheehan had re-enlisted in the U.S. Army voluntarily when he was 24-years-old, after serving his first hitch successfully.

 

Casey Sheehan was in fact a hero who received a Bronze Star. He was attached as a mechanic to the artillery division of the 1st U.S. Cavalry in Iraq. When a convoy of soldiers from Casey’s unit was attacked in Sadr City by insurgents, Casey volunteered to join a rapid rescue force to get them out. His commanding sergeant told him he did not have to go into combat, because he was a mechanic and not an infantryman. Casey was quoted telling his officer, “I go where my chief goes.” He was tragically killed during the rescue attempt. The source for this story? Cindy Sheehan herself.”

 

Source: Powerlineblog.com and The National Review

 

This woman has gone on record making anti-semetic statements...although she is now trying to claim she has not.

 

“I'm gonna say, "And you tell me, what the noble cause is that my son died for." And if he even starts to say freedom and democracy' I'm gonna say, bullshit.

 

You tell me the truth. You tell me that my son died for oil. You tell me that my son died to make your friends rich. You tell me my son died to spread the cancer of Pax Americana, imperialism in the Middle East. You tell me that, you don't tell me my son died for freedom and democracy.

 

Cuz, we're not freer. You're taking away our freedoms. The Iraqi people aren't freer, they're much worse off than before you meddled in their country.

 

You get America out of Iraq, you get Israel out of Palestine.”

 

Source: http://www.veteransforpeace.org/ and The Associated Press

 

“We want our country back if we have to impeach George Bush down to the person who picks up the dog sh-t in Washington! Let George Bush send his two little party animals to die in Iraq. It’s OK for Israel to have nuclear weapons but we are waging nuclear war in Iraq, we have contaminated the entire country. It’s not OK for Syria to be in Lebanon. Hypocrites! But Israel can occupy Palestine? Stop the slaughter!”

 

Taken from a speech by Cindy Sheehan at San Fran State on 5/4/05

 

This woman claims that all she really cares about is her husband and her other kids...the same husband who just filed for divorce.

 

“We have always been on separate sides of the fence politically, and I have not spoken to them since the elections when they supported the man who is responsible for Caseys death.”  Sheehan wrote of her in-laws on The Huffington Post blog. “The thing that matters to me is that my family — Caseys dad and my other three kids — are on the same side of the fence that I am.”

 

Source: “The Tri-Valley Herald” August 13, 2005.

 

Patrick Sheehan declined to comment and filed for divorce the day prior to this story being published.

 

What happened to this young man, and all soldiers who willingly put their lives on the line for their country is tragic.

 

However, as much as some people claim there is a right wing agenda for the USA being in Iraq, there is just as much an anti-Isreal agenda behind this woman.

 

Either this woman is willingly allowing herself to be manipulated by the radical left, or she is unaware of it. Either way...that further compounds the tragedy.

 

Making the statement that there is no way that she is going to be made to look bad is incorrect. Many of her statements during this process are making her look bad. The fact that she lost her son is tragic, but it does not mean that she is now immune from being used by others with a larger agenda, or of having one herself.

 

I don't see that she is in this for "gain" per se. I am sure she is motivated by her grief...but the fact remains that in the media, she is trying to blame President Bush and Isreal for her son's death, and ignoring the fact that he was living the life that he chose for himself.