Hogan/Michaels Backstage gossip

[USC Wuz Robbed! 0]

That would have been the idea. Hogan vs Cena for the title.

[WrestlingFan4Ever 0]

Once again, this is Wade Keller we are talking about people. Half his stories seem made up with his so called "sources say" and "friends of". I'll believe all of this if Meltzer reports it.

 

And in regards to Michaels selling, I thought it made the match one of Hogan's best singles matches in years all because of Michaels. Mr. Perfect would sell just Michaels did for Hogan and Terry Funk used to sell that way too. It's called making a match against an opponent who can't wrestle for SHIT look good by creating movement. And to those who say HBK's selling was too cartoony, just look at Hogan. Hulking up isn't cartoony??

[notJames 0]

I would prefer cartoony out of main event matches. Of course, considering who makes up the Main Event scene nowadays, I guess I'm shit outta luck.

[cabbageboy 0]

Hogan is fine as far as the occasional special attraction like at SS. But I dunno if I want him in there with the younger guys all that much. I was fine with him vs. Austin at WM since that's two old guys in a dream match. Cena/Hogan isn't anyone's dream match because quite honestly Cena isn't that big of a star at this point.

[EdwardKnoxII 0]

I'm more interested in the latest rumour going around that because Hogan got to go over Micheals he agreed to job to Cena at WM 22.

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Right. I can't see Hogan agreeing to job to Cena. And if he does job Cena going to need alot of weapons, ref bumps, etc to do it. And thus Cena gains nothing from it.

[Jericho2000Mark 0]

Talk about selective memory... Triple H beat Hogan clean in 6 minutes in their rematch on SmackDown. Where as Hogan's win was tainted and it took him over 20 minutes just to beat him.

 

As for Michaels being outplayed, it couldn't of happened to a nicer guy. Besides, Vince has a reason to side with Hogan, on account that he's actually made money for Vince. A LOT. What has Michaels ever done for Vince? Non-Sexually speaking. The guy has always been a terrible draw. Granted Hogan isn't setting the ratings or buys on fire these days, but he has a MUCH better track record than Michaels.

[cabbageboy 0]

Exactly. Michaels and his boys damn near killed the company in the mid 90s. In all his time there Shawn has produced maybe 1 really great buyrate (WM 14) and then I'd say it was mostly a "good riddance" type buyrate coinciding with Austin's meteoric rise.

[WrestlingFan4Ever 0]

Bret Hart never drew shit. No one in the WWF drew anything big in the middle 90's. That's because the WWF had a very weak roster. Undertaker never drew shit either. All this Michaels hate is fucking pathetic on this board. The man busts his ass in that ring for the fans. Seriously, you all need to stop looking at all this political bullshit. And add the Smarts God Benoit himself to the list of people who didn't draw shit.

[Dangerous A 0]

Actually, you can say Shawn didn't even draw the WM14 buyrate. Austin, coupled with Tyson drew the buyrate. Shawn was a transitional champ, I just think he didn't see that, hence his not wanting to let Austin go over for that show.

 

While Michaels and Co. did play a part in the dismal early-mid 90's WWF funk, they were not the sole reason the company was killed. Vince almost killed the company because he refused to change his product with the times. It wasn't until WCW surpassed him as competition did Vince get a hair up his ass and change his product. Part of that change was ushering out HBK on top.

[Hunter's Torn Quad 0]

It's fun reading people rant and rave when they don't know the facts.

[Guest wildpegasus]

Once again, this is Wade Keller we are talking about people.  Half his stories seem made up with his so called "sources say" and "friends of".  I'll believe all of this if Meltzer reports it. 

 

And in regards to Michaels selling, I thought it made the match one of Hogan's best singles matches in years all because of Michaels.  Mr. Perfect would sell just Michaels did for Hogan and Terry Funk used to sell that way too.  It's called making a match against an opponent who can't wrestle for SHIT look good by creating movement.  And to those who say HBK's selling was too cartoony, just look at Hogan.  Hulking up isn't cartoony??

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When I was watching the Hogan match on Slam I thought something was up watching Michaels bump. WHen I heard the Raw interview my suspicions were confirmed.

 

Yes, bumping like a pinball can be good at times but Michaels overdid it at Slam. More than usual. In a lot of ways it was like his interview on Raw. Protecting himself by winking at the audience that the match was fake.

 

He went overboard but not too, too overboard in such a way that it looked like he was obviously making the match a joke. Just enough to say "Don't take this too seriously". Some of his bumps were done just to protect himself. That's what I got from the match anyway.

[WrestlingFan4Ever 0]

While Michaels and Co. did play a part in the dismal early-mid 90's WWF funk, they were not the sole reason the company was killed. Vince almost killed the company because he refused to change his product with the times. It wasn't until WCW surpassed him as competition did Vince get a hair up his ass and change his product. Part of that change was ushering out HBK on top.

 

Ironic thing in what you're saying was, it was HBK and his Kliq buddies that were pushing for McMahon to change the direction of the company and shift toward more adult oriented storylines. And HBK wasn't ushered out of the top, he was injured out of the top and had to retire.

[notJames 0]

…The man busts his ass in that ring for the fans…

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Where do I begin…?

[Hunter's Torn Quad 0]

When I was watching the Hogan match on Slam I thought something was up watching Michaels bump. When I heard the Raw interview my suspicions were confirmed.

 

Yes, bumping like a pinball can be good at times but Michaels overdid it at Slam. More than usual.  In a lot of ways it was like his interview on Raw. Protecting himself by winking at the audience that the match was fake.

 

He went overboard but not too, too overboard in such a way that it looked like he was obviously making the match a joke. Just enough to say "Don't take this too seriously". Some of his bumps were done just to protect himself. That's what I got from the match anyway.

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I thought his worst bump was when Hogan rammed his head into the turnbuckle and Shawn did a rolling senton off of it. That was taking the bumping too far.

[bob_barron 0]

Yea, HBK's bumping was funny but it took away from the match for me which I didn't think was any good at all.

 

Can you clarify some of the mistruths here HTQ, so we all know what's true and what's BS?

[WrestlingFan4Ever 0]

QUOTE(WrestlingFan4Ever @ Aug 24 2005, 02:19 PM)

…The man busts his ass in that ring for the fans…

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Where do I begin…? bonk.gif

 

Then who does he do it for? That WWE ring in the 90's was notorious for being one of the hardest rings to work in. Shawn surely didn't do it because he enjoyed the pain.

[Hunter's Torn Quad 0]

I believe there was a HTQ post (can't find the exact thread, sorry) where it was said that the finish to HHH/Hogan was changed from a HHH win to a Hogan win on the day of Backlash itself. Perhaps it could have been, then, that HHH didn't have the time to make any political manuevrings to stop it....If HHH was ever going to use his political sway to counter a finish, he should have done so at Backlash 2002.

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Yes, the finish was decided on the day of the PPV. It wasn't a case of them not knowing the finish, but them going back and forth with the finish. In the end, Vince let himself believe the crowd pops for Hogan were the kind that drew. They weren't.

[Sass 0]

Bret Hart never drew shit. No one in the WWF drew anything big in the middle 90's. That's because the WWF had a very weak roster. Undertaker never drew shit either. All this Michaels hate is fucking pathetic on this board. The man busts his ass in that ring for the fans. Seriously, you all need to stop looking at all this political bullshit. And add the Smarts God Benoit himself to the list of people who didn't draw shit.

 

Michaels *is* selfish though. He always has been. HBK won't "lay down" for anyone and that includes the WWF fans and co-workers.

 

Michaels had the ball. Hell, he kept it away from Vader and Bret Hart when he was supposed to hand off the title to them. Yet he did not draw a dime as the champ. No drastic increase in the ratings or PPV buyrates. Nadda. This is why HBK's career will damn him to hell because he has no financial legs to stand on, unlike Hogan or Austin who did draw bukoo cash when they were handed the ball and allowed to run with. Yet, we're all supposed to think that Mr.Elbowdrop-running flying forerarm-plancha over the rope-Inverted atomic drop-fist drop-maybe a piledriver-moveset man was this great and diverse worker in the ring when in fact he was no better a worker than Mankind or Sean Waltman (which is an insult to Syxx-pac, really).

 

Instead of doing the right thing, which Hogan has been dragged through the coals for, he declined to job to Bret Hart at Wrestlemania 13...and bailed out on his fans and co-workers in the process.

 

That sounds pretty selfish to me (unless you believe his kayfabe pain killer addiction story). Plus, HBK threatened to jump to WCW in '97...and bail out on his fans in the WWF.

 

HBK also did not want to job to Steve Austin on the night of his title win...and would have denied Austin fans his run with the belt. That's pretty unfair to the Austin and WWF fans I'd say.

 

Yeah, that HBK's a real considerate guy when you think about it.

[Hunter's Torn Quad 0]

I'd like to point out that Raw's lowest rating ever came during Shawn's first WWF Title reign.

[Guest JMA]

I'd like to point out that Raw's lowest rating ever came during Shawn's first WWF Title reign.

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That's quite interesting. Do you happen to remember the date of that RAW?

[Hunter's Torn Quad 0]

I'd like to point out that Raw's lowest rating ever came during Shawn's first WWF Title reign.

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That's quite interesting. Do you happen to remember the date of that RAW?

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October 14th 1996, and it was a 1.8. The Nitro that night got a 3.3.

[Guest slmon]

"Yet, we're all supposed to think that Mr.Elbowdrop-running flying forerarm-plancha over the rope-Inverted atomic drop-fist drop-maybe a piledriver-moveset man was this great and diverse worker in the ring when in fact he was no better a worker than Mankind or Sean Waltman (which is an insult to Syxx-pac, really)."

 

If you hate Michaels for some other reason, fine; but please don't put him in the same category, work-rate-wise, with mediocrites like Waltman and especially Foley. Geez................

[Sass 0]

To be fair to him, before injuries and drugs ravaged his body, Waltman was actually a really good worker.

[Hunter's Torn Quad 0]

To be fair to him, before injuries and drugs ravaged his body, Waltman was actually really good worker.

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Waltman was stale in terms of character development, but he was never mediocre. People should watch his match with Jerry Lynn on the last TNA PPV, and then try claiming he's mediocre.

[Sass 0]

HTQ, would you say the Lynn/Waltman match from TNA was better than the HHH/HBK series of matches?

[Hunter's Torn Quad 0]

HTQ, would you say the Lynn/Waltman match from TNA was better than the HHH/HBK series of matches?

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Without a doubt. It smoked them something bad.

[imajackoff? 0]

A Cena v. Hogan match at WM would have to be without the title. Call me cynical, but I cant see a WWE title match at '22' without HHH involved.

[Guest JMA]

I'd like to point out that Raw's lowest rating ever came during Shawn's first WWF Title reign.

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That's quite interesting. Do you happen to remember the date of that RAW?

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October 14th 1996, and it was a 1.8. The Nitro that night got a 3.3.

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Ouch. You have to wonder why Vince was always such a big HBK mark if he never drew any money.

[WrestlingFan4Ever 0]

Yeah the low rating was ALL HBK's fault........................

[packwingfn 0]

October 14, 1996: Vader pinned Phinneas I. Godwinn...Jake Roberts pinned Jerry Lawler...Freddie Joe Floyd defeated Hunter Hearst Helmsley by countout...Faarooq Asad pinned Alex Porteau...Shawn Michaels defeated Steve Austin by Disqualification.

 

 

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October 14, 1996: Dean Malenko pinned Brad Armstrong...Jim Duggan defeated V.K. Wallstreet...Hugh Morrus pinned Jim Powers...Lex Luger defeated Greg Valentine by submission...Eddy Guerrero defeated the Cheetah Kid...Jeff Jarrett defeated Big Bubba Rogers...World Tag Team Champions, Harlem Heat and the Faces of Fear battled to a no-contest.

 

 

You decide if it was ALL shawn's fault for the bad rating