iMPACT 10/29 thread

[Silence 0]

3LK thing with James is getting stale fast.

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It's BEEN stale this year. I'm tired of always seeing TNA tease B.G. James joining Kip by having B.G. and The Truth always approve of Kip's help against Team Canada, for example, and then Konnan always questions Kip James and almost fights with him every time.

 

Get it over with already, TNA. It's obvious that B.G. James is leaving 3LK sometime to join Kip James, just DO IT. It's a waste of everyone's fucking time.

[Rendclaw 0]

They seriously need to pull the trigger with the NAO reunion, like, yesterday. Killings needs to be on his own or with a better partner than either Konnan or BG, and he has way too much talent to continually be saddled with what he has now. 3LK has outlived its usefulness, and I couldn't care less now when BG does that intro, he's been doing it for the latter part of 10 years. Its old and tired.

 

It must be me, but I am not feeling Roderick Strong at all. Okay, he has some unique backbreakers, but what else does he have? Every time I see him he gets to pull out a backbreaker spot or two, and thats pretty much it for him.

 

Team 3D could have done a better promo. I was a touch disappointed by it, not to mention it was obvious it was snipped here and there.

 

The Daniels match was okay, but yeah I think this week's show was meh, in light of the primetime special coming.

[Coolclint 0]

They should have had Rhino defend the belt at least once before losing it to Jarrett because then Jarrett is going to use the old, "It was a fluke" line.

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I'd almost think that's how they'd HAVE to book it, honestly. Rhino got a lucky Gore and was able to avoid the guitar shots. There's really no logical way for him to have easily handled a fresh Jarrett after the brutal Monster's Ball and the Gauntlet. From a kayfabe point of view, Jarrett's now had nearly two weeks to prepare for Rhino, and is able to actually watch their last match (their first match ever against each other) and tailor his gameplan (and cheating strategy, because hey, it's Jarrett) to make sure he wins.

 

It's frighteningly smart if you think about it, even if you don't like Jarrett as champ.

[Lord of The Curry 0]

Seeing all the ROH marks blowing their load over Shelley and Strong is fucking hilarious. I have to stop sometimes and remind myself that they're not the same person.

[Guest GoJoe]

Roderick is coming off bland as hell but Shelly has shown a lot of character lately. I've only seen him talk, like once in RoH but if I was TNA, I'd take a chance on him and push him as the arrogant jackass.

 

They also need to do something with Eric Young, another guy who hasn't been given a gimmick but is carving himself a persona based on mannerisms alone. I don't know how marketable a constantly scared wrestler is but it's better than no gimmick at all.

[Guest *KNK*]

Roderick is coming off bland as hell but Shelly has shown a lot of character lately. I've only seen him talk, like once in RoH but if I was TNA, I'd take a chance on him and push him as the arrogant jackass.

 

They also need to do something with Eric Young, another guy who hasn't been given a gimmick but is carving himself a persona based on mannerisms alone. I don't know how marketable a constantly scared wrestler is but it's better than no gimmick at all.

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Shelley is a great promo, heel and face but really shines as a heel.

[naiwf 0]

Shelley is a great promo, heel and face but really shines as a heel.

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That may be true, but it seems like everything he does in the ring (at least in TNA) is overly exaggerated, so I can't take him seriously. As for Strong, when I think of the Messiah of anything, I think of a winner. A nifty backbreaker spot or two in a match you don't win isn't really worthy of my attention. I don't see either guy suddenly developing a personality in TNA, or being allowed to improve their positions.

[Fro 0]

Dutt has been really good lately so I can understand why he's getting a push. Plus he's done with college I believe so he can focus full-time on wrestling. That's been the big thing holding him back.

 

He was incredible in that four-way in the "free" portion of Bound for Glory.

 

Not to mention he's a key guy in TNA's international strategy.

[cabbageboy 0]

Curry, I agree. Quite a few of these TNA X guys seem like strong ring workers but they are just....guys. As in bland, boring white boy cruiser types. They wouldn't look out of place jobbing for food on a 1988 Superstars episode. Know why Sonjay Dutt won that 4 way at the PPV? He at least has a bit of personality and seemed somewhat different from the other 3 guys. Dutt might have been Sabu's slave but at least that's a gimmick.

 

TNA could use someone like Heyman booking things. He'd develop some of these guys on the mic and give them a persona.

[Jebus 0]

Yes, we all want the NAO reunion to happen like yesterday but TNA pushed the reset button with the Spike TV debut.

 

Unfortunately for longtime fans, they have to go through it again. For the new ones, this angle is 3 weeks old.

[Michrome 0]

Hoyt needs to be dropped from the roster. He is embarrasingly bad. I'm sorry but drinking with the local fans in Orlando is not going to hide the fact that he fucking sucks from casual fans. Unless he can figure out a way to drink with the entire 18-49 demographic, cut him.

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Hoyt needs to be dropped from the roster.  He is embarrasingly bad.  I'm sorry but drinking with the local fans in Orlando is not going to hide the fact that he fucking sucks from casual fans.  Unless he can figure out a way to drink with the entire 18-49 demographic, cut him.

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Here is the problem with Hoyt, (one of them at least). He's over but that really doesn't say much because everyone is seemingly over in Orlando. Unless there's indicators showing that Hoyt kills the ratings and that hasn't been shown yet. TNA can't tour around and see how Hoyt is over with other crowds. All it knows is that Hoyt is sickingly over with Universial Studios. A true test to gauge his overness is this...keep him off the air for six weeks. See if the crowd begs for Hoyt to return, see if they legitimately like the guy or just love popping for him. If he's not as over as he appears, good and he can get cut...but if they do show signs that he's legitmately over, you have to bring him back.

 

Wrestling has a long long history of bad workers being over for whatever reasons, sometimes you have to use them.

[The Ghost of bps21 0]

If they took Hoyt off TV...the crowd would forget about him within 2 tapings.

 

Hell...the only reason I think they still cheer for him is because people on the internet started pointing out that the crowd was starting to turn on him.

 

The crowd is kind of in business for themselves out there with their stupid bouncing and stupid chants...

 

But...it does make for a hot crowd. Which is great. Even if it's the same thing over and over.

[Placebo Effect 0]

Hoyt needs to be dropped from the roster.  He is embarrasingly bad.  I'm sorry but drinking with the local fans in Orlando is not going to hide the fact that he fucking sucks from casual fans.  Unless he can figure out a way to drink with the entire 18-49 demographic, cut him.

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He's not that bad. Plus, Hoyt's a big, imposing guy. Someone going over him means a hell of a lot more than an X Division guy.

[The Ghost of bps21 0]

Well that's an even better reason to drop him.

 

All TNA has are little guys. They need to put an emphasis on the importance of their victories.

 

They've done that well in the past. Abyss never loses to anyone...but he also never beats AJ Styles. They should put Hoyt in a sink or swim feud with Christopher Daniels. Put Daniels over...and if the matches aren't decent...fire Hoyt.

[Rendclaw 0]

The crowd is kind of in business for themselves out there with their stupid bouncing and stupid chants...

 

But...it does make for a hot crowd. Which is great. Even if it's the same thing over and over.

 

That's what kills me about that crowd. It makes TNA look good, but damn if they aren't some self-serving jackasses at times. But that kind of crap started back in Nashville with the Face and Heel sections. Its been on a slippery slope since then.

 

And yes, Hoyt does need to go. He's terrible.

[Hunter's Torn Quad 0]

I'll still take a TNA crowd over a WWE crowd.

[RavishingRickRudo 0]

TNA fans vs. WWE fans would end up like this:

 

Tna fans: Tee eNN Aye

 

Tna fans: Dub Dub Eee

 

Tna fans: Tee eNN Aye

 

Tna fans: Dub Dub Eee

 

Tna fans: Tee eNN Aye

 

Tna fans: Dub Dub Eee

 

Tna fans: Tee eNN Aye

 

Tna fans: Dub Dub Eee

 

WWE fans: *puzzled look*

 

Tna fans: THAT WAS AWESOME!

[RedJed 0]

I really have a feeling this "girl" could really be the "Beluah" for TNA and give TNA that classic storyline it needs to get attention.

 

Already it sounds like a txtbook Raven storyline...Maybe this was his payoff for putting Jarrett over again.  To create and craft his own storyline.

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There was some stuff in the Observer this week stating the original ending to the Nash-Jarrett match at BFG was going to be a Raven heel turn, siding with Jarrett apparently and starting up a Nash-Raven feud. That makes me think they were going to work in a storyline from that explaining the heel turn in that Raven's girl would be Gail Kim and the alliance with her and Jarrett would have Raven join up with that crew somewhat. We'll see what happens but I am betting they still go this direction (Raven aligning with Jarrett and going soft because of "his girl") and I can't say I am really feeling it particularly either.

 

The show overall this week was solid for sure. That tag match with Styles was real good for a one hour show. Strong looked tremendous in there, just about everyone did in fact but Strong did stand out, even in having to do the job. One of those shows this week where overall it just went extremely quick.

[RedJed 0]

I don't like Dutt either. To be honest, Strong hasn't impressed me too much in ROH, so whatever he gets done in TNA will be fine by me. Shelley has. So has Aries. So, naturally, I get upset whenever they lose. I don't see why Sonjay couldn't have taken the fall in the match other than the fact that he was the teammate of AJ whom seems to be TNA's posterboy.

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I still don't get why Dutt went over @ BFG.

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I think the company is really high on him at this point and I think its warranted. He's stepped up his ringwork solidly recently and is starting to connect with the fans more than I've ever seen him in his TNA run. I consider him in the same position as Sabin or Bentley at this point versus an x division startup like Aries, Strong, etc.

[Conspiracy_Victim 0]

Well, my thoughts as a TNA newcomer (only seen it since Impact hit Spike):

 

1) Good LORD Hoyt sucks. Not in a "big guy who can do power moves" sort of sucks, either. He just sucks.

 

2) Christopher Daniels is fun to watch wrestle. Despite being built like a cruiser (WWE thinking copyrighted) he grounds and pounds well. Plus, his moves look crisp.

 

3) Jerrelle Clark is an entertaining spot machine. Would've liked to have seen even an attempt at the 630.

 

4) Good to see Raven recycle a Beulah type storyline. As long as the girl is as hot as Beulah, I'd be happy.

 

5) Sonjay irritates me. Doesn't have a good look and his moves suck (I want to turn my TV off when he does that stupid Sprinkler).

 

6) AJ plays intense face well. I also like Strong and Shelley. Shelley has good mannerisms, and Strong's powerbomb backbreaker on Dutt looked sick.

 

7) I didn't like James when he was the Assman, and I don't like him now.

 

8) The Duds gave the same "Intense" promo they've given since ECW, sans cursing. I did notice that Devon almost slipped up and called himself and Bubba "The Dudley Boys".

 

Still though, it was a fun episode. The tag match saved it for me.

[Guest *KNK*]

I really have a feeling this "girl" could really be the "Beluah" for TNA and give TNA that classic storyline it needs to get attention.

 

Already it sounds like a txtbook Raven storyline...Maybe this was his payoff for putting Jarrett over again.  To create and craft his own storyline.

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What was said here...

 

 

 

TNA needs to just hire an actress for this, not some blonde bimbo but someone who could be believable enough that Raven (a demented crazy sociopath who hates the world) could fall for completely. The girl mentioned in that spoiler really doesn't fit that role. That girl needs to be the antagonist to pluck at Raven's broken heart. A cold hearted bitch that can still make Raven emotionally vulerable.

 

Rhino knows who it is obviously, they need to establish WHY Rhino would know this...suggesting that it would have to someone they both crossed paths with over the years.

 

It has to be someone that hasn't already been exposed (i.e Miss Jackie, Torrie) or some random indy chick. She doesn't even need to be an trained wrestler, this isn't going to lead to a match, the girl in question just needs to be the foil.

 

This girl needs to be beautiful, so beautiful you can't fathom lusting after her, so sweet that you want to cuddle up in a blanket with her and so soft that you can understand why a lost soul like Raven would let her get to his head.

[Conspiracy_Victim 0]

TNA needs to just hire an actress for this, not some blonde bimbo but someone who could be believable enough that Raven (a demented crazy sociopath who hates the world) could fall for completely.  The girl mentioned in that spoiler really doesn't fit that role.  That girl needs to be the antagonist to pluck at Raven's broken heart. A cold hearted bitch that can still make Raven emotionally vulerable.

 

Rhino knows who it is obviously, they need to establish WHY Rhino would know this...suggesting that it would have to someone they both crossed paths with over the years. 

 

It has to be someone that hasn't already been exposed (i.e Miss Jackie, Torrie) or some random indy chick.  She doesn't even need to be an trained wrestler, this isn't going to lead to a match, the girl in question just needs to be the foil. 

 

This girl needs to be beautiful, so beautiful you can't fathom lusting after her, so sweet that you want to cuddle up in a blanket with her and so soft that you can understand why a lost soul like Raven would let her get to his head.

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What I'm curious about is how they would portray the "girl". Would they go the "opposites attract" route and have some hot babe (for argument's sake, let's say a Torrie Wilson or someone of that nature) or would they go with someone who can relate to Raven's character and is good looking in a nontraditional way, like a Daffney?

 

The problem with either approach is A) The hot chick could lead to "What the hell? She could have anyone and she wants HIM??" while B) A Goth-esque woman might not play well with some people in the crowd, leading to a "who cares?" reaction.

 

Your choice would almost lead to someone like Miss Elizabeth or even Beulah.

[Guest *KNK*]

TNA needs to just hire an actress for this, not some blonde bimbo but someone who could be believable enough that Raven (a demented crazy sociopath who hates the world) could fall for completely.  The girl mentioned in that spoiler really doesn't fit that role.  That girl needs to be the antagonist to pluck at Raven's broken heart. A cold hearted bitch that can still make Raven emotionally vulerable.

 

Rhino knows who it is obviously, they need to establish WHY Rhino would know this...suggesting that it would have to someone they both crossed paths with over the years. 

 

It has to be someone that hasn't already been exposed (i.e Miss Jackie, Torrie) or some random indy chick.  She doesn't even need to be an trained wrestler, this isn't going to lead to a match, the girl in question just needs to be the foil. 

 

This girl needs to be beautiful, so beautiful you can't fathom lusting after her, so sweet that you want to cuddle up in a blanket with her and so soft that you can understand why a lost soul like Raven would let her get to his head.

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What I'm curious about is how they would portray the "girl". Would they go the "opposites attract" route and have some hot babe (for argument's sake, let's say a Torrie Wilson or someone of that nature) or would they go with someone who can relate to Raven's character and is good looking in a nontraditional way, like a Daffney?

 

The problem with either approach is A) The hot chick could lead to "What the hell? She could have anyone and she wants HIM??" while B) A Goth-esque woman might not play well with some people in the crowd, leading to a "who cares?" reaction.

 

Your choice would almost lead to someone like Miss Elizabeth or even Beulah.

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Exactly what I was going with. A hot bimbo doesn't do any good. Raven's the kind of guy who takes bimbos and fucks them and tosses them out the door and Raven has had the "gothic" kind already and the crowd doesn't really get behind it.

 

I can't stress enough, the girl has to have a REASON for being able to get to Raven's heart and mind. Over the last 10 years people have tried and failed to get into Raven's mind. They have to show why and how this girl did this.

 

A good way to do this and it kind of relates to Beluah in a way but it could very well be Raven's first crush from childhood (kind of turning the script from the dreamer program). The one girl Raven would died for but the neglect from his parents and his fading beliefs in purity led him astray. The girl came back...