iMPACT! tapings spoiler

[The Ghost of bps21 0]

Watch Christian's promo on his debut.  Then watch Monty's promo last week on Impact.  You will then know that Christian should be the next champ, and Monty isn't even close to being ready.

 

Rhino/Jarrett, in the main event, drew the WEAKEST quarter hour rating of the prime time special.  So how does TNA respond?  They headline a PPV with the match.  Ugh.

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With Joe/AJ and AMW/3D...

 

Why would they want to blow someone else's title shot on a card that already has this on it?

[gWIL 0]

How do you book this one? Best I got is have it after the NWA title match and have Zybsko say that the winner will face Jarrett at Final Resolution and have the match end after after Jarrett/AMW/Team Canada hit the ring only for Team 3D make the save. Officially splits Jarrett and Monty and keeps both strong. Then AJ/Joe can main event.

 

Also: Jarrett/Rhino should not end after mass run-ins as well. Have Rhino gore the ring post and get pinned.

[Michrome 0]

I am still a believer that the main event is what draws PPVs. I'm guessing the plan all along was for Jarrett/Rhino to headline this one, but then they ended up giving the match away twice over the last month, and effectively killed it. That was their first huge mistake. Still, even something like Sabu vs. Jeff Jarrett would have been a better choice. They could have played up Jarrett's fear of the type of weapons Sabu uses, and it could have been billed as a No DQ match to heighten the intrigue. Sure, Sabu would have no chance of winning, but it would be far more interesting than Rhino/Jarrett again. It seems like every show TNA is in a position where they can either keep the belt on Jarrett, which leads to groans, or they can switch the belt to someone that should not be champion. This always leads to Jarrett retaining, but it doesn't lead to any excitement.

[Magus 0]

Quite the coincidence there....

 

Anyway, how I'd book this mess: AJ/Joe should go last, but won't. So, with JJ/Rhino ending the show, I'd have Rhino Gore himself through something and play an injury angle. JJ gets the win and Rhino gets to take some time off and come back to the ME strong in a few weeks time. Before all that, Team 3D has to win the tag titles from AMW. Since JJ will retain, this kinda balances things out and sets up for JJ losing the title at Final Resolution to Monty.

 

Speaking of which, Monty should beat Christian, who doesn't need the win as bad as Monty does. It's stupid to book this match anyway, but this is the shit TNA gives us. Christian should hit the Unprettier (Are they calling it something else? They should), and while Monty is stunned, Team Canada comes out and totally fucks Christian up. Fuck distracting the ref, too. Have the ref see it, call the match a DQ, but then Monty gets up and DEMANDS that the ref restart the match or he'll get an Alpha Bomb. The ref restarts it, Monty Pounces the weakened Christian and wins the match to face JJ at Final Resolution. Christian goes on to fued with Team Canada for awhile to gets some wins before getting back to the ME.

 

Here's the good part: Jarrett's now actually scared of Monty (imagine that), and he'll try to get Zbyzsko to help him null Monty's shot since he intimidated a ref and the match should've officially ended in DQ. Technically, he's got a point, but whenever Larry or anyone else tries to approach Monty on it, they too are intimidated by his sheer ferocity. Make it clear that he will NOT lose what is rightfully his now that he's so close. Zbyzsko finally caves, much to JJ's dismay, and Monty goes on to face Jarrett at Final Resolution and wins the title.

 

To me, that's way better than whatever they probably have planned.

[Hunter's Torn Quad 0]

Christian should be put in the ME now, not later. He shouldn't lose anytime soon. Monty probably shouldn't lose this soon either, but if it's a choice between Christian winning or Monty winning, then Christian has to be the one.

[Magus 0]

I disagree there. Christian will be over pretty much no matter what he does. A fued with Team Canada can't hurt him, IMO. I'd like to see him in the ME, but its not something that absolutely needs to happen immediately. Monty, on the other hand, needs the win. He's an unknown, and a win (even a tainted one) over a name like Christian will help push him towards JJ. If Monty loses, he'll look way worse than Christian would, as it'll be the umpteenth time that he's been built up only to look like a bitch.

 

You could say that since Christian is more well-known that he should go over for the sake of the casual fans. But that's the same arguement that Jarrett makes to stay on top. On the flip side of the coin, Monty should win, as he's a homegrown star and needs to get the rub to look good in the eyes of the casuals.

[Hunter's Torn Quad 0]

If the idea behind TNA bringing in talented guys from WWE that aren't getting their due is to show that TNA isn't like that, especially a guy who should have gotten a run at the main event spot, why stick him in the midcard? For comparison, look at WWE bringing in Chris Jericho from WCW. They made a big deal about bringing him back in, and look at his first major match; a DQ loss to Sean Waltman. That was a bad idea, and Christian losing his first major match in TNA, even if it is to Monty and not clean, is just as bad. You want the most out of Christian, you push him hard, right off the bat, and that means putting him in the main event.

 

As for Monty, he isn't ready for the NWA Title. He's not at that level. If they put the belt on him next month, it'll get a pop for one night, but then it'll deflate, because he'll be exposed because he isn't ready, and they'll have ruined him because he got the belt too soon. And even if TNA also think Monty is too soon, and don't put the belt on him, he'll get beaten by Jeff Jarrett. Again. And which do you think does Monty less harm; getting beaten by the heatless wonder, or getting beaten by a guy who willingly left WWE, entered TNA to a monster pop, and is someone the fans actually want on the top level?

 

Christian is at that level, because the TNA fans know how good he is, accept how good he is, and would accept him being in the main event, and being NWA Champion.

[naiwf 0]

My guess is that Monty/Christian ends in a double CO/DQ type situation and they end up putting on a 3 way where Jarrett loses the title the following month, but not the match as one guy (likely Christian) pins the other (likely Monty) after Jarrett uses the guitar on the loser to pay off the title change that's needed and give everyone an outcome from the match they didn't get this month. I'm not saying I like it, but it's where I see them going, especially because it would extend Monty/Jarrett to another PPV.

[AlaskanHero 0]

I don't see how Brown would be revealed as "not ready" for the title when most people around these parts were clamoring for Monty to win the title from Jarrett around this time last year. Hell, before Christian was even rumored as coming in, it was Monty and Raven that people were predicting to be part of the Main Event for the next two or so PPVs.

 

Christian really doesn't need this win as badly as Brown needs it. A loss to Brown isn't really going to hurt Christian all that much, since he'd bounce back. However, Christian doesn't need to be dicking around with Team Canada. I don't know why, but to me he feels 'above' that kind of thing. Yes, he should be in the ME, but he doesn't need to have the title hotshotted onto him. It's hard for me to think of ways to book Christian at this moment, because I want to see him with the title at some point, but I also want Monty to win it.

[Hunter's Torn Quad 0]

If such a three-way happened, that would be the single worst finish they could have for it.

 

The finish to Christian vs Monty depends on which member of creative can argue their position the best. If Tenay wins out, I'm guessing Christian wins clean, but Monty gives him a hard match, so that, while Monty loses, he still looks strong for forcing Christian to work hard to get the win.

 

 

Christian really doesn't need this win as badly as Brown needs it.

 

They can build Monty back up if need be. They can't do the same for the buzz Christian's jump created. If they fuck it up now, they can't get it back.

[naiwf 0]

If such a three-way happened, that would be the single worst finish they could have for it.

 

The finish to Christian vs Monty depends on which member of creative can argue their position the best. If Tenay wins out, I'm guessing Christian wins clean, but Monty gives him a hard match, so that, while Monty loses, he still looks strong for forcing Christian to work hard to get the win.

 

 

Christian really doesn't need this win as badly as Brown needs it.

 

They can build Monty back up if need be. They can't do the same for the buzz Christian's jump created. If they fuck it up now, they can't get it back.

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Oh, I know that ending would suck, but I'm trying to think with the TNA mindset for Jarrett's losses in mind. They almost need to have Christian take Monty to the limit by going 15-20 minutes, and then have either guy beat Jeff in half that time the following month. If Christian has to lose, then they need to have someone interfere and that be the primary reason he gets beat. He would then easily take out the guy who cost him the match the next month and challenge Monty for the title saying that he only won because of the interference. As you said, Monty can easily gain his heat back, whereas a clean Christian loss in his debut would put him in the same spot that he was in shortly after being treated like a jobber in the Cena/Jericho situation a couple of months ago.

[Hunter's Torn Quad 0]

I'll say one thing; if Jarrett ends up losing the belt but not getting pinned, then that will tell you once and for all who the power is in TNA.

[The Ghost of bps21 0]

If Christian's heat can't survive a tainted loss to Monty Brown...then he was a useless pick up.

 

Monty has to win.

 

HAS TO.

 

HAS TO.

 

He's been stalking the NWA title since he returned to the friggin company.

 

I understand that he isn't that great in the ring...and although I love his promos...some people don't...

 

Since Christian is portraying a face...his money program is in the chase. The chase does not end 2 months after he signs. Monty has been chasing for over a year now.

 

Everyone hates JJ. And I am included...but to put Christian over him right off is a mistake. Let someone cost him his title shot and let him chase. He needs to chase.

 

Brown is the guy. Brown has been the guy for a long time (since he should have won it before they turned him heel oh so many months ago).

 

Brown beating Christian (even by nefarious means) works two fold. First of all it tells you that the midcard WWE guy isn't better than the guy TNA has been pushing for the last year plus...and secondly it gives Christian some winnable programs that, when added to Brown's title chase, AMW/Team 3D, Samoa Joe/AJ/Daniels and the rest of the X division...

 

Well...those things add up to a few very interesting/entertaining/meaningful pay per views.

 

If you want to make the most out of Christian...then you put the title on Brown in the near future...and then flip the coin between Christian and Joe as to who should be taking it from whoever the champ is at Bound for Glory II. (This may not be the best time...but I see $$$ in Joe vs. JJ for the title. Especially if they can pull one of those "we're pretty much telling you Joe is winning in the promos and build up" kind of things. More than anyone...people want to see Joe win...and more than anyone...people want to see JJ get choked out like a bitch.

 

Anyway...

 

Monty Brown for champion...or everything they've done in the past year was a waste.

[King Cucaracha 0]

Aside from the who should win, who shouldn't win arguement...they never should have made Christian vs. Monty Brown, because it's likely going to be a mediocre match at best.

 

Monty is awful in the ring. I'm sorry, but over or not, putting the World Title on Monty Brown does not make TNA an alternative to the WWE. It just says 'hey, we can put the belt on a charismatic, bigman, one move wonder who sucks in the ring too'. And that's all I see in Monty Brown. The Pounce. And that's it. If they want to make him World Champion, they need to have workers in there who can cover up his limitations and carry him to good matches BEFORE he does his big move. I like Christian. I really do. But Christian, I don't think, will be that guy or should be that guy.

 

The best way Christian can make Monty look good is to bump his ass off for the first 3-4 minutes, then cheat to gain the advantage before Monty makes a comeback. Or, in other words, exactly the same formula that was holding Christian back in the WWE. Instead of coming to TNA and having his first big match and being able to relax and concentrate on putting on a great show...he has to carry a worthless lug. Win or lose, they're already messing up Christian's debut in the company by even booking the match, because his first match is going to blow absolutely nobody away and he'll go back to being the guy that nobody liked because he did too many chinlocks.

 

The worst thing about the match is...I don't care who wins or who loses. I don't care who it'll hurt more. I don't care, because I wouldn't pay to watch Christian vs. Monty Brown.

 

Brown beating Christian (even by nefarious means) works two fold. First of all it tells you that the midcard WWE guy isn't better than the guy TNA has been pushing for the last year plus

 

Well, it worked with Rhyno and Jarrett.

 

Oh. Wait.

[TNABaddboi 0]

If Christian's heat can't survive a tainted loss to Monty Brown...then he was a useless pick up.

Monty has to win.

HAS TO.

HAS TO.

He's been stalking the NWA title since he returned to the friggin company.

I understand that he isn't that great in the ring...and although I love his promos...some people don't...

Since Christian is portraying a face...his money program is in the chase. The chase does not end 2 months after he signs. Monty has been chasing for over a year now.

Everyone hates JJ. And I am included...but to put Christian over him right off is a mistake. Let someone cost him his title shot and let him chase. He needs to chase.

Brown is the guy. Brown has been the guy for a long time (since he should have won it before they turned him heel oh so many months ago).

Brown beating Christian (even by nefarious means) works two fold. First of all it tells you that the midcard WWE guy isn't better than the guy TNA has been pushing for the last year plus...and secondly it gives Christian some winnable programs that, when added to Brown's title chase, AMW/Team 3D, Samoa Joe/AJ/Daniels and the rest of the X division...

Well...those things add up to a few very interesting/entertaining/meaningful pay per views.

If you want to make the most out of Christian...then you put the title on Brown in the near future...and then flip the coin between Christian and Joe as to who should be taking it from whoever the champ is at Bound for Glory II. (This may not be the best time...but I see $$$ in Joe vs. JJ for the title. Especially if they can pull one of those "we're pretty much telling you Joe is winning in the promos and build up" kind of things. More than anyone...people want to see Joe win...and more than anyone...people want to see JJ get choked out like a bitch.

Anyway...

Monty Brown for champion...or everything they've done in the past year was a waste.

 

I agree with literally every word of this post....well said!

[USC Wuz Robbed! 0]

Basically, "YAY TNA! BOO WWE!" Some people just so desperately want TNA to break out and become a viable competition to WWE, and their idea? Put the belt on a guy who's fading out. Yeah that's a real terrific idea.

[USC Wuz Robbed! 0]

Ok to be fair to Monty, he does deserve the belt at some point, but that time is no longer now.

[razazteca 0]

Ok to be fair to Monty, he does deserve the belt at some point, but that time is no longer now.

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That time was the iMPACT on FSN days.....the talent level of the company have risen since changing networks and with that being said Monty Brown is just a generic big man with a catch phrase.

[Guest Leelee]

Talent means little now. They've decided to build Monte's character as a threat to the title, which they've basically done for nobody else but Christian.

 

If they just piss Monte away... then what? The bottom line is that TNA needs to jettison Jarrett out of the title scene, and inject some new faces there, 2 years ago... and the Spike TV crowd won't tolerate it for much longer.

[USC Wuz Robbed! 0]

Ok to be fair to Monty, he does deserve the belt at some point, but that time is no longer now.

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That time was the iMPACT on FSN days.....the talent level of the company have risen since changing networks and with that being said Monty Brown is just a generic big man with a catch phrase.

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As TNABaddboi would say, "I agree with literally every word of this post....well said!"

[daileyxplanet 0]

.... PERIOD.

 

I agree with you too. Goodbye Monty, hello Christian.

[USC Wuz Robbed! 0]

Someone needs to create the TSM chapter of the Christian Coalition.

[RedJed 0]

First off, dissapointed in another Rhino/Jarrett match to headline this ppv. They better add a gimmick to it, falls count anywhere perhaps - they gotta do the payoff with having Jarrett taking a gore through the table that is set up in the middle of the entrance, like they teased last month. This has got to lead to Rhino being programmed with someone new upon an obvious loss (I hope they dont decide to turn Raven heel, like they had plans to do when Jarrett/Nash was supposed to happen). Quite frankly, I'm getting tired of waiting for especially Raven/Jarrett and I have no idea where that logical feud fits into everything since it appears Christian or Brown is finally going to get a title shot and win (I would assume) at Final Resolution.

[Magus 0]

Y'know, trying to make sense of TNA's fuck-ups just takes a lot outta you. It's astounding to sit back and watch them do the things they do, then exhausting to try to justify those things on how it could/should work out.

 

Maybe I'm just bitter, like I was when I used to watch WCW. But to whomever said that JJ vs. Joe is money, let's face facts: when the time for that match comes around, Samoa F'n Joe, the biggest talent to come around since Chris Benoit, will be made to look like a bitch for good 'ol Double J. The only hope for this company is that the Spike TV audience starts to realize this fact and then walks away. Maybe then they'll get their shit together, but it won't be before they ruin some good wrestlers.

[hyperchord24 0]

I guess the question is does double J need TNA more than TNA needs jarret?

[razazteca 0]

Samoa Joe vs JJ will never happen because the "head booker" will turn Joe heel thus taking him out of the main event picture. As far as I am concerned Jeff Jarrett can leave TNA and take the NWA Heavyweight title with him...that's right let JJ tour the civic centers, elks lodges, bingo halls, high school gyms of the South defending the NWA title as the #2 or #3 indy title of the country.

[nl5xsk1 0]

Christian as a world champ makes me want to watch shows & pay for PPV's.

 

Monty Brown as champion makes me want to read spoilers online.

 

I haven't watched much TNA but from what I've seen, Monty should be mid-card for life. Rant & Rave about how over he is ... and I'll remind you that the Godfather got over with a catchphrase, too.

[Magus 0]

So much dissention over Monty vs. Christian. It's sad to see. Why can't we all just agree that it was a stupid idea to book the match in the first place and that whomever wins, he'll look like shit against Jarrett?

[hyperchord24 0]

Just make up another belt. The mid carders need something to fight over after being buried by Jarret. Let's face it, the world title is and forever will be Jarret's until Panda gets off their JJ-kick. The ME scene is too crowded and the X-division is a division akin to a hardcore division (i.e. only a certain group of players will vie for it). Make a NA title or intercontinental title, just SOMETHING for the mid carders to fight over.

[Dangerous A 0]

I'm not sure a midcard belt is the answer. I read an article on the torch site that had a good idea in regards to how TNA structures their shows.

 

The article says since you usually have 3 weeks between ppv's, use each week to focus on one leg of TNA- Heavyweight, Tag Team, and X Division. Each show should focus on one major storyline in each division and character development for people not involved in the major stories going on. This gives people at least 3 different things to look forward to on a ppv.