Most non-sensical angles/turns/etc.

[JoeDirt 0]

I just got done reaidng the thread that had Meltzer talking about Taker/Kane up to April 1999. Anyways, what are the msot non-sensical, illogical, stupid angles/storylines/turns/whatever in history?

 

I'm sure WCW in 2000 should give people plenty to work with!

[Dobbs 3K 0]

Undertaker suddenly turning heel on Jim Ross a few years ago is one that sticks in my mind. The explanation, of UT saying he'd had to kiss Vince's ass for years, didn't make much sense given UT's past character.

 

The worst were in WCW...pretty much anything after 1999 was terrible. Goldberg turning heel had to be one of the dumbest...I don't remember the exact storyline reason. I just remember the fans wanting to cheer the guy, yet WCW had him be a heel. Ridiculous.

[Naked Snake 0]

Both of Austin's turns in 2001. (Sorry Austin).

[Black Lushus 0]

definently Goldberg and Crow Sting...

 

Ahmed Johnson joining the NOD...not only did it make you go it also made you go

 

Kurt Angle's constant flipflopping from aggressive face to aggressive heel to goofy heel to goofy face back to aggressive heel is mind-boggling

 

Booker T does a lot of weird flipflopping from face to heel as well

 

The Big Show, only the greatest scholars could figure out his flipflops...

[Special K 0]

Seriously. Luger thought the nWo Sting was the real Sting, so Sting bitches out for a year and looks mysterious and sad. Sting, you know Luger's stupid. How many times did he turn on you?

 

Then to take that Sting, put him and Luger in the Wolfpac for no reason, and make him happy Sting again was retarded. 'Wolfpac in the hiz-ouse' indeed.

[alfdogg 0]

Orton's face "turn". Why is him getting punked out by Evolution supposed to make us like him? And why is it supposed to make Chris Benoit and Shawn Michaels suddenly trust him enough to be tag partners for a RAW main event?

[cabbageboy 0]

Booker almost has his yearly heatless heel turn before everyone forgets it and he just goes back to face again. At least the Big Show has been somewhat stable of late, though he seems similar as either heel or face.

 

Speaking of heel turns, how about Luger? This dude turned heel so many times I lost track.

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Giant falling off a roof after his "Sumo Monster Truck Match" with Hulk Hogan at Halloween Havoc '95, then showing up for the main event with no explanation at all.

 

Also, Austin "killing" Triple H at Survivor Series 2000 only for Stephanie to come out on Raw saying that Triple H didn't suffer one injury.

 

Totally stupid shit.

[Lil' Bitch 0]

Bret Hart's constant weekly face / heel turns in '98 was annoying as fuck.

 

Both of Austin's turns in 2001. (Sorry Austin).

 

I loved Austin turning heel, pussifying him is what killed it though.

 

Ahmed Johnson joining the NOD

 

Actually, this heel turn made sense in a way. In the weeks leading up to the heel turn, much was made of his gang roots and how he needed a gang situation to stay focused, and that the Nation certainly was a gang. At CDIH, he fought all three Nation members (Faarooq, Savio, Crush) in a gauntlet match and was unable to win, causing the announcers to speculate he might have a new respect for Faarooq. Okay, so you might not have liked it, but at least WWE tried explaining a heel turn for a change.

[King Cucaracha 0]

Duggan joining Team Canada. Why!?!

[JustJoe2k5 0]

Millionaire's Club vs. New Blood. The concept was great, but you can't expect a company to work off of ten faces and fifty heels. The fact that the crowd was supposed to cheer for what was wrong with WCW, the older superstars who wouldn't give the new talent a chance, just made it that much worse.

[Special K 0]

Oooh, the Orton turn killed him right out of the gate. They did the same thing with Booker a couple years ago. He was acting like an asshole, so the nWo kicked his ass. Way to turn someone face. There were SO MANY good ways they could have played the Orton turn, or simply had him stay strong heel and have HHH turn, I really think they were trying to kill his heat from the get-go.

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Duggan joining Team Canada. Why!?!

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Kind of in line with that, how Team Canada brainwashed Major Gunns into joining them.

[Hunter's Torn Quad 0]

Everything Vince Russo ever wrote.

[Guest Stunt Granny]

Why they booked what should have been the WM 2000 main event at Backlash and ran some shitty forgettable match at Wrestlemania is mind boggling.

[Kahran Ramsus 0]

One I still don't understand is what happened at Survivor Series 2001. Kurt Angle betrays Team Alliance (the heels) and costs their leader Steve Austin to lose to the Rock who was representing Vince McMahon in Team WWF (the faces). Somehow this turns Austin face and Angle & Vince heel.

 

That whole period from Survivor Series 2001 to King of the Ring 2002 was absolutely horrible. The product hasn't been that great (except for a few spurts) since Wrestlemania X-7, but that period really stands out for how bad it was.

[CanadianChick 0]

Part of the reason why Vince got turned heel was because, true to his character, he made RVD's, an Alliance member, life hell, or something like that.

 

I have no idea why Angle was suddenly portrayed as a heel and vice versa for Austin though. Maybe because they just gave up and let Austin be face? I'm not too sure.

[cabbageboy 0]

That whole scenario actually worked out better in reality than it sounds on paper. The fans mainly wanted to just cheer Austin again and boo Angle, so it worked ok. It mostly fed into Angle being a dick about how "loyal" he was to Vince that he acted as a mole.

 

I always thought Bulldog's heel turn in 1995 was incredibly stupid. The guy's tag partner runs off to WCW (Luger again), so they turn him heel by having him betray KEVIN NASH (?!?) in a match against M.O.M. and think that can possibly draw. It didn't help that Davey Boy was about the least threatening heel imaginable. He never cut many heelish promos, or really even wrestled much of a heel style. But hey, he had Jim Cornette as his manager so he must be evil...right??

 

Bulldog at least got a decent haircut when he turned heel, so it wasn't a total loss.

[Hunter's Torn Quad 0]

I have no idea why Angle was suddenly portrayed as a heel and vice versa for Austin though. Maybe because they just gave up and let Austin be face? I'm not too sure.

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They gave up on trying to make Austin a heel, after finally realising that it wasn't ever going to work.

[Guest *KNK*]

I have no idea why Angle was suddenly portrayed as a heel and vice versa for Austin though. Maybe because they just gave up and let Austin be face? I'm not too sure.

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They gave up on trying to make Austin a heel, after finally realising that it wasn't ever going to work.

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I think it could have worked if Triple H hadn't insisted on the two-man power trip angle.

 

That program with the heel/face dynamic change could have been big and they just laid an egg and killed the momentum there by doing the BOD and Hardyz stuff.

[Hunter's Torn Quad 0]

I have no idea why Angle was suddenly portrayed as a heel and vice versa for Austin though. Maybe because they just gave up and let Austin be face? I'm not too sure.

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They gave up on trying to make Austin a heel, after finally realising that it wasn't ever going to work.

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I think it could have worked if Triple H hadn't insisted on the two-man power trip angle.

 

That program with the heel/face dynamic change could have been big and they just laid an egg and killed the momentum there by doing the BOD and Hardyz stuff.

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It never would have worked. The people didn't like Hunter enough to decide to side with him over Austin to where it would have meant anything for Austin to be a heel. At best, you'd have half cheering Hunter and half cheering Austin, but even that would a stretch.

[Guest *KNK*]

I have no idea why Angle was suddenly portrayed as a heel and vice versa for Austin though. Maybe because they just gave up and let Austin be face? I'm not too sure.

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They gave up on trying to make Austin a heel, after finally realising that it wasn't ever going to work.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

 

I think it could have worked if Triple H hadn't insisted on the two-man power trip angle.

 

That program with the heel/face dynamic change could have been big and they just laid an egg and killed the momentum there by doing the BOD and Hardyz stuff.

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It never would have worked. The people didn't like Hunter enough to decide to side with him over Austin to where it would have meant anything for Austin to be a heel. At best, you'd have half cheering Hunter and half cheering Austin, but even that would a stretch.

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It would have been better then what we had actually gotten. They simply should have not turned Austin in the first place but I guess they either felt it ran it's course or wanted to see if Austin could have a Hogan like turn.

 

The difference was that the fans werent tired of the act yet.

[Hunter's Torn Quad 0]

I have no idea why Angle was suddenly portrayed as a heel and vice versa for Austin though. Maybe because they just gave up and let Austin be face? I'm not too sure.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

They gave up on trying to make Austin a heel, after finally realising that it wasn't ever going to work.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

 

I think it could have worked if Triple H hadn't insisted on the two-man power trip angle.

 

That program with the heel/face dynamic change could have been big and they just laid an egg and killed the momentum there by doing the BOD and Hardyz stuff.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

It never would have worked. The people didn't like Hunter enough to decide to side with him over Austin to where it would have meant anything for Austin to be a heel. At best, you'd have half cheering Hunter and half cheering Austin, but even that would a stretch.

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It would have been better then what we had actually gotten. They simply should have not turned Austin in the first place but I guess they either felt it ran it's course or wanted to see if Austin could have a Hogan like turn.

 

The difference was that the fans werent tired of the act yet.

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Austin had only been back for just over six months. They should have waited at least a year or so before even starting the tease. Not that I think it would have worked very well, if it all.

[Guest *KNK*]

I have no idea why Angle was suddenly portrayed as a heel and vice versa for Austin though. Maybe because they just gave up and let Austin be face? I'm not too sure.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

They gave up on trying to make Austin a heel, after finally realising that it wasn't ever going to work.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

 

I think it could have worked if Triple H hadn't insisted on the two-man power trip angle.

 

That program with the heel/face dynamic change could have been big and they just laid an egg and killed the momentum there by doing the BOD and Hardyz stuff.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

It never would have worked. The people didn't like Hunter enough to decide to side with him over Austin to where it would have meant anything for Austin to be a heel. At best, you'd have half cheering Hunter and half cheering Austin, but even that would a stretch.

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It would have been better then what we had actually gotten. They simply should have not turned Austin in the first place but I guess they either felt it ran it's course or wanted to see if Austin could have a Hogan like turn.

 

The difference was that the fans werent tired of the act yet.

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Austin had only been back for just over six months. They should have waited at least a year or so before even starting the tease. Not that I think it would have worked very well, if it all.

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Precisely, the only foreshadowing they had done was with the sit-down interview just before WM was Austin saying

 

"I'll do anything for that title, anything. I need that title", but that read like your standard babyface promo.

 

Not to mention, doing the heel turn in fucking Texas wasn't much smarter as well.

[snuffbox 0]

Why they booked what should have been the WM 2000 main event at Backlash and ran some shitty forgettable match at Wrestlemania is mind boggling.

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I just watched that match again yesterday. When I first saw it I was disappointed...more for the ending than anything else. Watching it again I thought it was at least "****".

[Hunter's Torn Quad 0]

Not to mention, doing the heel turn in fucking Texas wasn't much smarter as well.

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They thought Austin going with Vince would be strong enough to turn the fans.

 

Think about it; they teased Austin turning on Rock, the other major babyface, and they still booed Rock over Austin. They then sided Austin with McMahon, the biggest heel they had, and people either turned off and never came back, or stayed around and booed Austin in a half-assed manner. It wasn't going to work, no matter what.

[Kahran Ramsus 0]

I know why they did it (the Austin/Angle turn at Survivor Series), but the way it was written didn't make any sense at all.

[spman 0]

Rikishi in 2000 always comes to mind when I think of pointless heel turns that made no sense.

[Damaramu 0]

I know why they did it (the Austin/Angle turn at Survivor Series), but the way it was written didn't make any sense at all.

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It was basically explained by Edge in a backstage skit(i think it was Edge). He said that Angle was only in it for himself. If the Alliance won then yeah Kurt was a part of the winning team and nobody knows he was a mole. If the WWF won then he's the mole and the hero that saves it all. He was just in it for himself and you know that's dickish and all and makes people go "boo" or something.

[Steve J. Rogers 0]

I know why they did it (the Austin/Angle turn at Survivor Series), but the way it was written didn't make any sense at all.

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It was basically explained by Edge in a backstage skit(i think it was Edge). He said that Angle was only in it for himself. If the Alliance won then yeah Kurt was a part of the winning team and nobody knows he was a mole. If the WWF won then he's the mole and the hero that saves it all. He was just in it for himself and you know that's dickish and all and makes people go "boo" or something.

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Also same RAW Rocky called him out for still being the guy that wacked him with a chair for the heel turn and said "Kurt, you are not a hero, you are an asshole!"

 

Also when Kurt came out for the final segment JR was starting to sing a different tune. King says "Hey Kurt saved the WWF!" to which JR said "Yeah but do we have to give him a damn parade?"

 

To me both of those seemed very sterotypical of the average "what have you done for me lately" BS that sport fans have towards guys who have won for their teams. You know, the ones who boo Derek Jeter/Mariano Rivera and actually give excuses as to why they boo players who should never be booed

 

The Edge one kind of makes sense, but you need more background to truely get that it is part of the Kurt character's nature, i.e. trying to form past relationships with both Shane and Steph, and the whole sucking up to Austin-McMahon during that summer rather than mentioning it as a throw-away "lets explain why you should boo the "hero" of Survivor Series" backstage bit