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[HollywoodSpikeJenkins 0]

Wasn't everyone praising Orton a year ago with his reign as IC Champ, his feud with Foley, and his feud with Benoit/the turn on Evolution?

[Guest New Jake]

Are you joking? By last year Orton's schtick grew just as overly redundant as Cena's has right now. His IC title run was just boring. It was months before he actually had a real title defence. His hardcore match with Mick Foley which was awefully overrated and only served for the interest of Mick Foley running a hardcore match. Orton got his ass handed to him anyway. The feud it's self was poor, nothing but a bunch of interferences and poorly done promos. And don't get me started on Orton's lackluster heavyweight title run last year. It's safe to say noone gave a fuck about that.

[The Metal Maniac 0]

Wasn't everyone praising Orton a year ago with his reign as IC Champ, his feud with Foley, and his feud with Benoit/the turn on Evolution?

 

No. I've hated Orton for quite some time, mostly because I've never seen him do anything to warrant his placement on the card (besides being his father's son), he used to do that stupid pose of his at least 15 times before a match would start, people *say* he has "the look" even though he really doesn't (lanky jackass is "the look"?), the majority of his pops seem to come from women who only cheer for him because they think he's hot (which is another rant in and of itself; sometimes I really hate femarks) and despite all this, (plus a bombed title run) someone still seems to think that this fucking tithead is the future of the business. Plus the fact that he apparantly just walked into WWE offices one day and said "I'm Bob Orton's son, give me a job!" while actual, *talented* wrestlers who've been busting their asses for years get nothing.

 

Oh, and the Legend Killer gimmick is stupid. Yeah, you hit a diamond cutter on a 50-year old man; no one will ever remember him anymore.

 

So no, everyone wasn't.

[King Cucaracha 0]

Wasn't everyone praising Orton a year ago with his reign as IC Champ, his feud with Foley, and his feud with Benoit/the turn on Evolution?

 

Pretty much.

 

People jumped on the bandwagon is spectacular style the moment he landed in the thumbtacks at Backlash. The Evolution turn was met with mark outs from pretty much everyone on the board. But then the anti-Orton stuff started up as soon as his face run bombed and people jumped on that bandwagon.

 

 

I've got no problems with Orton as a heel. He's hardly a 'terrible' wrestler like the 'haterz' say he is...infact, it's safe to say the people who don't like him over-react far more than those who do. I can't wait for him to win the title, if only for the bitchfest that'll commence here.

[Guest NWO_Sucks]

Whats all this talk about Lashley v. JBL? Anyone thinks Orton is/was better than Lesnar is obviously a blink Orton mark. If they arent careful they are very close to making HIAC a stale gimmick match. Didnt they have one over the summer between Batista and HHH?

[naiwf 0]

I don't understand all this Orton hate.

 

 

If Orton and Taker had great matches before (besides the Casket Match (with Bob Orton in it, as well) or the Buried Alive Match (that match has never been good)), then why won't the HIAC be good? Everytime Taker is in this match (besides Bossman), it has been very good.

 

So basically, two people who have good matches together get put in a stip match where one 9 times out of 10 has a great match in. How can that be bad?

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Orton and Taker have never had a great match together. Orton won't bump/blade enough to make this particular match work. HIAC is about as played out as Ultimate X in terms of how often it's used. The only feud this year that was bitter and personal enough to warrant a HIAC stip was Eddie/Rey, so naturally they just got a shitty cage match.

[pochorenella 0]

Wasn't everyone praising Orton a year ago with his reign as IC Champ, his feud with Foley, and his feud with Benoit/the turn on Evolution?

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Pretty much.

 

People jumped on the bandwagon is spectacular style the moment he landed in the thumbtacks at Backlash. The Evolution turn was met with mark outs from pretty much everyone on the board. But then the anti-Orton stuff started up as soon as his face run bombed and people jumped on that bandwagon.

 

 

I've got no problems with Orton as a heel. He's hardly a 'terrible' wrestler like the 'haterz' say he is...infact, it's safe to say the people who don't like him over-react far more than those who do. I can't wait for him to win the title, if only for the bitchfest that'll commence here.

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Agreed on all counts. I remember tons of people on this board jumping on Orton's bandwagon at that time, and specially after the RAW following SummerSlam. They all marked out for the thumbs down thingie.

[HollywoodSpikeJenkins 0]

I don't understand all this Orton hate.

 

 

If Orton and Taker had great matches before (besides the Casket Match (with Bob Orton in it, as well) or the Buried Alive Match (that match has never been good)), then why won't the HIAC be good? Everytime Taker is in this match (besides Bossman), it has been very good.

 

So basically, two people who have good matches together get put in a stip match where one 9 times out of 10 has a great match in. How can that be bad?

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Orton and Taker have never had a great match together. Orton won't bump/blade enough to make this particular match work. HIAC is about as played out as Ultimate X in terms of how often it's used. The only feud this year that was bitter and personal enough to warrant a HIAC stip was Eddie/Rey, so naturally they just got a shitty cage match.

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The Wrestlemania match was called MOTN on this very forum. Then people claimed the rematch was better!

 

The Eddie/Rey feud was booked to hell, get over it. Nothing we can do about it now.

 

This Orton hate is blinding some people.

[naiwf 0]

I wasn't aware that this forum was the sole source of deciding what's a good match, and which wrestler is worthy of praise. My mistake. The only good thing about Orton/Taker at WM was watching Undertaker throw Randy under the bus even though everything about the storyline necessitated an Orton victory.

[HollywoodSpikeJenkins 0]

Did Randy Orton have anal sex with your mom while pouring sugar in your gas tank?

[Guest New Jake]

Wasn't everyone praising Orton a year ago with his reign as IC Champ, his feud with Foley, and his feud with Benoit/the turn on Evolution?

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Pretty much.

 

People jumped on the bandwagon is spectacular style the moment he landed in the thumbtacks at Backlash. The Evolution turn was met with mark outs from pretty much everyone on the board. But then the anti-Orton stuff started up as soon as his face run bombed and people jumped on that bandwagon.

 

 

I've got no problems with Orton as a heel. He's hardly a 'terrible' wrestler like the 'haterz' say he is...infact, it's safe to say the people who don't like him over-react far more than those who do. I can't wait for him to win the title, if only for the bitchfest that'll commence here.

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What a load of fucking shit.

 

This is another problem I have with Orton. His fanbase (or what fanbase he has), becides most of them being female, are full of people who are more accustomed to praising a walking ant rather then an actually talented wrestler. Which Orton has never been. Just because a few people here are somehow entertained by this frawd does not mean he's the future of the company let alone good enough to main event or even hold a belt. So much talent has been held back in favoure of pushing this loser and it has failed.

 

These Orton marks are more blind then Hogan marks. There were just as many people against Orton last year as they were now. Just because this board was devoid of some actually smart posters does not mean Orton was over in any degree.

[naiwf 0]

Did Randy Orton have anal sex with your mom while pouring sugar in your gas tank?

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As usual, a personal attack is the only way an Orton supporter can handle the fact that not everyone is entertained by the person they have a mancrush on. It's cool though since I won't bother seeing any of your posts again. God bless the ignore button.

[HollywoodSpikeJenkins 0]

I wasn't attacking you...I was asking why you have such an immense hatred for Orton.

 

 

But then again, you won't be reading this. So...you're fat.

[Exslade ZX 0]

Whats all this talk about Lashley v. JBL? Anyone thinks Orton is/was better than Lesnar is obviously a blink Orton mark. If they arent careful they are very close to making HIAC a stale gimmick match. Didnt they have one over the summer between Batista and HHH?

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Alright..that was sort of a joke. (it was me who made the Orton/Lesnar comment)

 

But, fact remains, the No Mercy HIAC wasn't that spectacular and this literally does have the chance to be better then that.

 

And I don't see the arguement of Orton isn't willing to take any big bumps for the match? You're talking about off the cell or something? Because in that case, who does. Out of the last what, like 3 HIACs, the biggest bump was a spinebuster on some steel steps...And who's to say he wouldn't? Yea, it's been brought up a few times already, but I'm sure the bump on the tacks was no easy task. Didn't he also fly off the stage in that match or something (although it might have been on padding/tables or something, can't remember)

[naiwf 0]

And I don't see the arguement of Orton isn't willing to take any big bumps for the match? You're talking about off the cell or something? Because in that case, who does. Out of the last what, like 3 HIACs, the biggest bump was a spinebuster on some steel steps...And who's to say he wouldn't? Yea, it's been brought up a few times already,  but I'm sure the bump on the tacks was no easy task. Didn't he also fly off the stage in that match or something (although it might have been on padding/tables or something, can't remember)

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The big bumps I'm talking about require a HHH or Flair style bladejob. We know that the Undertaker should be getting the majority of the offense, and I just don't see Randy willing to do what it takes to sell the beating property (cut up his "pretty" face). He's definitely not taking a monstrous "holy shit" bump, so he'll have to bleed buckets to put over the match and Undertaker's wrath. I just don't see that happening, and that's why I think the decision to do this match is stupid.

[Lil' Bitch 0]

Sounds like a decent main event to me, I'll check it out. Now whether or not the World Heavyweight Title will be on the line, that's another thing we'll just have to wait and see.

[USC Wuz Robbed! 0]

Orton looked more polished in the ring vs Cena than Cena did. So that's a positive.

[Black Lushus 0]

what's everyone going to say when and if Orton DOES take that massive bump and DOES do that manly blade job? I'm pretty sure everyone, including UT himself will pump him up and remind him that his career will be made if he works his ass off in this match...I'm sure he probably already knows that...

[naiwf 0]

what's everyone going to say when and if Orton DOES take that massive bump and DOES do that manly blade job?  I'm pretty sure everyone, including UT himself will pump him up and remind him that his career will be made if he works his ass of in this match...I'm sure he probably already knows that...

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I'll admit I was wrong. I just don't see a pretty boy going the extra mile to do that since it would end up ruining his look. Cena's sort of in the same boat in that his matches aren't as visceral as we've gotten used to from champions since he never really blades or takes huge bumps either. Batista can get away with it since he's a hoss and unless he's wrestling Big Show there's really no one big enough to toss him around.

[Exslade ZX 0]

what's everyone going to say when and if Orton DOES take that massive bump and DOES do that manly blade job?  I'm pretty sure everyone, including UT himself will pump him up and remind him that his career will be made if he works his ass of in this match...I'm sure he probably already knows that...

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I'll admit I was wrong. I just don't see a pretty boy going the extra mile to do that since it would end up ruining his look. Cena's sort of in the same boat in that his matches aren't as visceral as we've gotten used to from champions since he never really blades or takes huge bumps either. Batista can get away with it since he's a hoss and unless he's wrestling Big Show there's really no one big enough to toss him around.

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But he HAS done that. I'll give it to you, he's not a bleeder. But he's still taken those big blade jobs in his matches.

 

NYR for instance (although I doubt the pics will show up, but here's a link to the page...2nd row http://groups.msn.com/WWEpicturesofallsupe...ndyorton2.msnw)

 

He wasn't bleeding much, definitely not as much as HHH, but for the next few weeks, he still had those two big gashes on his head, obviously signifying it was a pretty deep blade job.

[Hoff 0]

I wasn't aware that this forum was the sole source of deciding what's a good match, and which wrestler is worthy of praise. My mistake. The only good thing about Orton/Taker at WM was watching Undertaker throw Randy under the bus even though everything about the storyline necessitated an Orton victory.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Wait wait wait wait wait. You claim that the forum -- a group of many people, with varied opinions -- isn't an authoritative source for what's good and what's bad, then go on to state as fact that there was one good thing about the entire storyline.

 

I'm just making sure I have this right.

[Lt. Al Giardello 0]

Why are people talking bad of the Batista/HHH match? I thought it was a damn good match, both guys worked their asses off, and HHH finally put someone over. What more could you want?

 

Orton/Taker could be a good match, everyone thought Lesnar/Taker was gonna suck but it ended up being a good entertaining bloodbath. Orton bumps way more then Lesnar did, so it could be better.

[pochorenella 0]

So now we're back to asking wrestlers to take the huge bumps after basically demanding WWE to ease their schedule/workload so they can be less supceptible of drugs/painkillers or whatever they are taking to get by.

I for one don't think a huge bump is needed for a HIAC match to be deemed great. Examples are Lesnar vs Taker and HHH vs Michaels. Tons of blood, yes. Huge bump, not really, although it would be cool to see, no doubt. Some may have grown accustumed to seeing just that after the ones Michaels and Foley have taken.

And didn't Orton do a decent bladejob for Backlash 2004? The fall in the tacks was pretty good. Ditto for when he was thrown off the ramp, followed by a Cactus Elbow from Foley for a close two-count. I think Orton can take the bumps if absolutely needed.

Another issue is if the HIAC gimmick is being used too soon after Vengeance, although I don't agree it's even nearly as played out as the Ultimate X gimmick over on TNA. In fact, if it does happen, I do believe it'll be only the second time ever for the SD! brand.

Edited November 23, 2005 by pochorenella

[Hoff 0]

The problem with HHH/Michaels was that it didn't really need to be in the cell. It was a good enough match, but they could have just done it straight...except they needed to do something to make it different than the 30 other HHH/HBK matches over the past two years. And remember, neither man was champion at this point, but by God, we gotta get them in the main event.

[Hoff 0]

Poch: the Lesnar/Taker HIAC was a SmackDown! production.

[Dark Age 0]

It would be stupid to have a "holy shit" bump in this match. At this time especially.

 

And Exsclade, stop being an idiot. "Hey you guys, don't complain about Taker/Orton being the main. What would you prefer? Snitsky Vs. Heidenreich? Stop being such smarks".

[alfdogg 0]

Both sides are acting like idiots.

[Team Angle Pusher 0]

what's everyone going to say when and if Orton DOES take that massive bump and DOES do that manly blade job?  I'm pretty sure everyone, including UT himself will pump him up and remind him that his career will be made if he works his ass of in this match...I'm sure he probably already knows that...

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I'll admit I was wrong. I just don't see a pretty boy going the extra mile to do that since it would end up ruining his look. Cena's sort of in the same boat in that his matches aren't as visceral as we've gotten used to from champions since he never really blades or takes huge bumps either. Batista can get away with it since he's a hoss and unless he's wrestling Big Show there's really no one big enough to toss him around.

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Have you seen Cena/JBL at Judgment Day 2005? Cena had blood over his entire face. I thought he was going to faint because he lost so much blood. Also why do you think Orton won't do a big crazy bump? Did you forget about Backlash 2004, that was brutal for WWE standards. He took crazy bumps then, why wouldn't he do it now? He has even more reason to go all out now because he's in the damn main event and he's probably the World Heavyweight Champion.

[Hoff 0]

Not Hoff, though. That guy is pretty cool.

[pochorenella 0]

Poch: the Lesnar/Taker HIAC was a SmackDown! production.

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Got it. Silly me, I just talked about that match in the very same post I asked. Thanks for the correction.