NFL Playoffs: Divisional Round

[Art Sandusky 0]

I remember one year when he was with the Lions, he returned a punt for a touchdown when they went to Lambeau, and on the ensuing kickoff the Packers return guy (can't remember who it was right now) ran it back for a touchdown for himself.

[The Czech Republic 0]

I'm the last guy that needs to ask this, but why ARE certain positions dominated by certain races, anyway? Why aren't there more white wide receivers?

[Crimson G 0]

...and on the ensuing kickoff the Packers return guy (can't remember who it was right now) ran it back for a touchdown for himself.

 

Desmond Howard maybe? Or was this post-'96?

[Prime Time Andrew Doyle 0]

If Grossman can get through injury free next year, Da Bears could do big things. Bernard Berrian made some good catches, Jones is a underrated runner, Benson might show why he was pick number four and the D is set. It all depends on Grossman for Da Bears next year.

[Art Sandusky 0]

I'm the last guy that needs to ask this, but why ARE certain positions dominated by certain races, anyway? Why aren't there more white wide receivers?

It just happens that way currently. No real reason.

[Art Sandusky 0]

...and on the ensuing kickoff the Packers return guy (can't remember who it was right now) ran it back for a touchdown for himself.

 

Desmond Howard maybe? Or was this post-'96?

No, this was in like, '97 or '98. I remember because it was during one of the two glorious years I had regular access to NFL Sunday Ticket.

[stahl 0]

I'm the last guy that needs to ask this, but why ARE certain positions dominated by certain races, anyway? Why aren't there more white wide receivers?

 

Us white folk can't run as fast.

[nl5xsk1 0]

each year it seems manning is blaming someone either than himself. they win because of him & lose because of someone else. what a fucking asshole. of course when owens says something like that he is treated like hitler. when is this racist media coverage going to stop? like, honestly. manning is the whie, blue collar cover boy while owens is the villain. why?

 

only care that tarrell owens was sent to the theorectical gulag last sumemr for saying mcnabb got tired at the end of the super bowl. how can manning get away with blaming his o-line?

 

Hindsight being 20/20, it's pretty obvious that these observations didn't hold water. Manning's been slammed by the national media for his comments, IMO more than TO did last year. Rightfully so, too, since Manning was as much to blame for the problems as any of the O-Lineman. He's the one calling audibles at the line, why didn't he call for more protection? Keep a TE in to block, keep an RB in to block, call for one of the WRs to run a short slant to be available for a quick pass. It ain't that hard.

[iggymcfly 0]

Yeah, it's just a biological thing. People of Caucasian descent don't run as fast as African-Americans. I always kind of wondered if it had to do with the slave ships, as the 90% of the populace that wasn't physically fit died, and only the "cream of the crop" survived. That doesn't explain the Kenyans though.

[Slayer 0]

Careful there, IggytheGreek

[Special K 0]

Well, TO was a pretty model citizen in 2004-5. He was by far the best WR in the league when he was playing, and he turned in a very ballsy Super Bowl performance. People thought he was happy with McNabb. The trouble started when he held out.

 

Plus, I think a WR, RB, or ace defensive player is given just a little leeway, but the QB is the team leader. He's always supposed to be on his best behavior.

[naiwf 0]

Yeah, it's just a biological thing. People of Caucasian descent don't run as fast as African-Americans. I always kind of wondered if it had to do with the slave ships, as the 90% of the populace that wasn't physically fit died, and only the "cream of the crop" survived. That doesn't explain the Kenyans though.

 

Kenyans aren't sprinters though, they only excel at distance races and that likely has more to do with their training environments than anything else.

[Guest Vitamin X]

...and on the ensuing kickoff the Packers return guy (can't remember who it was right now) ran it back for a touchdown for himself.

 

Desmond Howard maybe? Or was this post-'96?

No, this was in like, '97 or '98. I remember because it was during one of the two glorious years I had regular access to NFL Sunday Ticket.

 

I'm almost certain it was Allen Rossum. Like 98% sure. I don't remember anyone else returning a punt or kickoff for a TD since Rossum until Chatman did it this year, I think against the Bears.

[snuffbox 0]

Yeah, it's just a biological thing. People of Caucasian descent don't run as fast as African-Americans. I always kind of wondered if it had to do with the slave ships, as the 90% of the populace that wasn't physically fit died, and only the "cream of the crop" survived. That doesn't explain the Kenyans though.

 

Wow.

[The Man in Blak 0]

Well, TO was a pretty model citizen in 2004-5.

 

Not really, if you consider that he demanded a trade from Baltimore to Philadelphia, and participated in the infamous MNF skit with Nicolette Sheridan, which got a lot of bad press for virtually everybody involved. A quiet year by his standards, sure, but not exactly "model citizen material."

[EVIL~! alkeiper 0]

Well, TO was a pretty model citizen in 2004-5.

 

Not really, if you consider that he demanded a trade from Baltimore to Philadelphia, and participated in the infamous MNF skit with Nicolette Sheridan, which got a lot of bad press for virtually everybody involved. A quiet year by his standards, sure, but not exactly "model citizen material."

Why should the MNF skit be a strike against him. Was it ill considered of ABC? That's open for debate. But it is hardly something that had a negative effect on the Philadelphia Eagles.

[The Man in Blak 0]

The Eagles seemed to think so, since they issued a statement declaring that they wish that it hadn't aired:

 

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/thr/telev...t_id=1000720629

 

Even though they didn't have control over it, the NFL and the Eagles both took a PR hit from the collaboration.

 

At any rate, it was a year that certainly wasn't free of controversy, which was the point behind my initial statement. It wasn't a quiet year.

[Failed Bridge 0]

You forgot the part where he called Jeff Garcia a fag. That happened in 04.

[Lt. Al Giardello 0]

I'm sorry to switch topic, but I have to get this off my chest.

 

Peyton Manning was not the cause of the Colts lost to the Steelers on Sunday, and I really wish people would stop hating on him. He did everything he could to try to make a Colts comeback, and proved he is very clutch. He even got Vanderjagt in field goal range, but he choked big time.

 

As for people blaming him for not rushing, what the fuck do you expet? He isn't a quarterback like Elway, or Young, who learnt when they don't have a option rush. Manning is strickly a quarterback who beats you with his arm, nothing more nothing less. He wasn't taught the fundamentals of a rushing QB, and why would he risk rushing espically againest a very hard hitting defense like the Steelers and risk fumbling the ball.

 

I don't even like Peyton Manning, but I got to give him his due, he is still the best QB in the NFL, and we WILL win a superbowl when before he retires. Remember when everyone said Elway will never win a superbowl? Next year I think Reggie Wayne will leave, but they will develop Brian Fletcher in a good 2nd wide out.

[naiwf 0]

I'm sorry to switch topic, but I have to get this off my chest.

 

Peyton Manning was not the cause of the Colts lost to the Steelers on Sunday, and I really wish people would stop hating on him. He did everything he could to try to make a Colts comeback, and proved he is very clutch. He even got Vanderjagt in field goal range, but he choked big time.

 

As for people blaming him for not rushing, what the fuck do you expet? He isn't a quarterback like Elway, or Young, who learnt when they don't have a option rush. Manning is strickly a quarterback who beats you with his arm, nothing more nothing less. He wasn't taught the fundamentals of a rushing QB, and why would he risk rushing espically againest a very hard hitting defense like the Steelers and risk fumbling the ball.

 

I don't even like Peyton Manning, but I got to give him his due, he is still the best QB in the NFL, and we WILL win a superbowl when before he retires. Remember when everyone said Elway will never win a superbowl? Next year I think Reggie Wayne will leave, but they will develop Brian Fletcher in a good 2nd wide out.

 

What are you basing that wild claim on? His magnificent ability to compile meaningless regular season stats? or his magnificent ability to lose 6 of 9 playoff games, often going down like a dog on top of that?

[nl5xsk1 0]

I'm sorry to switch topic, but I have to get this off my chest.

 

Peyton Manning was not the cause of the Colts lost to the Steelers on Sunday, and I really wish people would stop hating on him. He did everything he could to try to make a Colts comeback, and proved he is very clutch. He even got Vanderjagt in field goal range, but he choked big time.

Manning is the one that calls the shots at the line, with his audibles and play-changes and whatnot. He bitches about the lack of protection from his O-Line, then why didn't he make a play call that would keep an RB or a TE back to protect? Why didn't he call in a play that was a quick 3 yard slant to a wide receiver? Not everything has to be a 5 step, wait-for-the-play-to-develop pass play. He wasn't the sole cause of the loss, but he was a big ass part of it. It was inexcusable for Indy to not deviate from their original game plan, which obviously wasn't working.

 

And it's funny how you said that he got Vanderjagt into FG range. Yes, 46 yards is a makeable FG for him ... but it didn't need to be 46 yards. They had 2nd and 2, and yet Manning threw for the end zone on 2nd and then a 20-ish yard pass on 3rd. Why didn't he just pick up the first and get 3 extra downs to play with? (sidenote: my point is moot, since Vanderjagt missed by a mile. But it's accurate none-the-less: Manning made poor decisions in play calling late in that game)

[Art Sandusky 0]

Steve Young ran around, dude. He was Michael Johnson compared to Manning.

[The Man in Blak 0]

As for people blaming him for not rushing, what the fuck do you expet? He isn't a quarterback like Elway, or Young, who learnt when they don't have a option rush.

 

You're missing the point behind the criticism. Nobody expects Manning to take off like Michael Vick and toast defenses for 100 yards of rushing a game, but it is a reasonable expecation for a pocket quarterback to be able to throw effectively under pressure. Manning has shown that he has some difficulty with that, particularly in the playoffs against teams with disciplined defensive personnel; Pittsburgh's blitz packages exposed that, just as the Patriots' aggressive schemes have done in the past.

 

But you can even throw out Manning's ability in this situation and still criticize his comments after the game because they show poor judgment and a lack of sportsmanship. If he were a gracious loser, Peyton could have congratulated the better team on that day but he instead chose to place blame and undermine his own teammates. The fact that Peyton isn't really justified in having a legitimate gripe in the issue just compounds matters.

[Guest Agent of Oblivion]

He was just pissed after losing again, I figure. Some coworkers of mine and myself were ranting about it the day after, saying how he should be traded to Houston.

 

The local tattoo parlor also has FIRE DUNGY on the sign in front of the door. People around here are pissed. I am too, but the better team won that game. They just couldn't handle the pressure, or stop the Steelers passing game.

 

The Bears need a playmaker on special teams, and they're going places. That defense forces TONS of punts. Imagine if they had a Dante Hall type player that teams don't want to give the ball. They'd be starting at midfield every drive, which is about as far as they can go.

[naiwf 0]

After listening to Bill Polian say that Peyton played well just a couple of minutes ago on "Mike & The Mad Dog" on WFAN/YES network it's no shock why the Colts will never win a big game. Just for the guy who said Peyton gets too much blame I felt the need to show you his winning and losing playoff game stats. It truly is night and day.

 

 

Year Opp Result | CMP ATT PYD PTD INT | RSH YD TD

---------------------+--------------------------+-----------------

2003 den W,41-10 | 22 26 377 5 0 | 1 0 0

2003 kan W,38-31 | 22 30 304 3 0 | 1 -1 0

2004 den W,49-24 | 27 33 457 4 1 | 1 1 1

---------------------+--------------------------+-----------------

TOTAL | 71 89 1138 12 1 | 3 0 1

 

QB Rating = 162.1, or the "perfect" 158.3 I'd imagine.

 

1999 ten L,16-19 | 19 43 227 0 0 | 2 22 1

2000 mia L,17-23 | 17 32 194 1 0 | 1 -2 0

2002 nyj L,0-41 | 14 31 137 0 2 | 1 2 0

2003 nwe L,14-24 | 23 47 237 1 4 | 2 4 0

2004 nwe L,3-20 | 27 42 238 0 1 | 1 6 0

2005 pit L,18-21 | 22 38 290 1 0 | 0 0 0

---------------------+--------------------------+-----------------

TOTAL | 122 233 1323 3 7 | 7 32 1

 

QB Rating = 61.1

[The Man in Blak 0]

Somebody needs to put together his QB rating for the first three quarters of the Pittsburgh game. Just from what I observed, he piled up a bunch of yards (and most of the Indy points on that comeback) when the Steeler D started dropping into their soft cover 2, rather than blitzing.

[Guest Princess Leena]

Geez, people are still yammering about Peyton's comments?

 

Yeah... the 4 teams left are pretty boring, I guess.

[Guest Duke_The_Dog]

Tony Dungy is talking of quitting for a while in the aftermath of what happened to his son

[Slayer 0]

Again I must say if the NFL wants Peyton in the SB they need to line him up with only AFC West opponents in the playoffs, since those seem to be the only teams he can beat... then he'd have to meet Seattle in the SB since they have a history in the AFC West.

 

It could happen... fuck it almost happened this year. If only KC had made the playoffs instead of Pittsburgh!