skullman80 0 Report post Posted February 6, 2006 See, that's the thing with the songs I've heard off that album (White Pony, IIRC): the songs are actually GOOD, it's just Chino's voice sorta ruins it. Very fucking good live, though. And skull...you'd get along with those fashoncore faggots in TDR perfectly. Huh? I'm lost by your last comment.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Czech Republic 0 Report post Posted February 6, 2006 He got thrown out of a metal band because he wasn't emo enough. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Corey_Lazarus 0 Report post Posted February 7, 2006 I got booted from a fashioncore band because I refused to cover songs by As I Lay Dying and Lamb of God, two bands I expressed my detest for when I auditioned for them in August. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
snuffbox 0 Report post Posted February 7, 2006 Now I need a definition of 'fashioncore'....same as 'metalcore'? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Corey_Lazarus 0 Report post Posted February 7, 2006 Now I need a definition of 'fashioncore'....same as 'metalcore'? Taken from a reply to MrRant from page 2... It's dumbed-down metal and hardcore with a lot of emo to it. As I Lay Dying, Bullet For My Valentine, It Dies Today, every single band on Trustkill...yeah. A lot of the bands that Metal Blade and Century Media have been signing for the past 5 years are extremely fashioncore, as well. Walk through a mall and be sure to pass by the Spencer's Gifts and Hot Topic areas, as well as the food court (usually near the Sbarro's or the closest door to go out into the parking lot), and just look at the majority of the bands that the kids in all black (ie. mallgoths) have on their shirts. Every now and then there'll be a Metallica, Black Label Society, Slayer, or obscure death metal band, but most of the time it's some fashioncore group that is "so brutal and hardcore" until the end of the week. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
snuffbox 0 Report post Posted February 7, 2006 Ah...Ive definitly encountered many of these people at malls. What ever happened to rock/metal music being about individualism and such? It seems like every new genre lately has seen its fanbase trying very hard to look as similiar to each other as possible. I did buy a t-shirt at hot topic once...it was a Smiths shirt. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Corey_Lazarus 0 Report post Posted February 7, 2006 See, metal was never REALLY about individuality. That was the "punk" thing. Metal was more about being angry about life in general and the mundane day-to-day existence and the powerless feeling one gets from it, and then turning all of that into a power of its own. As stupid as it may sound, heavy metal IS a vulgar display of power. And that's why hair bands, nu-metal, and now fashioncore are so hated by a good portion of the metal culture: they're bastardized versions of the music we love specifically designed to tone it down and be marketed to impressionable youth. Every scene in metal has its fair share of bands that seem to just cling onto it for a quick buck. Death metal has Six Feet Under, black metal has Cradle of Filth, power metal has...well, power metal fucking sucks...and, right now, metalcore has the largest amount of shitty bands that don't REALLY believe in the scene and just like it musically. Tack was onto something when he talked about there's more to black metal than Antichristian sentiments and more to death metal than just naming off many horrible ways to disembowel somebody. It's the bands that "get it" in this day and age (Shadows Fall, The Haunted, Unearth) that will last whereas those that obviously are just trying to cash in on the trend (Bullet For My Valentine, As I Lay Dying, It Dies Today) will be gone in a few years. There's a reason Slayer and Exodus survived the mass downfall of the Bay Area thrash/speed scene: they BELIEVED in it at more than an audible level. Some bands "get it," most bands don't. The ones that do won't go away for a very long time, and tend to be the ones that write the best songs and work to create full albums that can be listened to over and over as opposed to a collection of individual/identical tracks. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Slayer 0 Report post Posted February 7, 2006 Every scene in metal has its fair share of bands that seem to just cling onto it for a quick buck. Death metal has Six Feet Under, black metal has Cradle of Filth, power metal has...well, power metal fucking sucks... Up yours, Laz! Actually I don't believe there are any bands like that for power metal, since you can't market PM in the same way as DM or BM to the "Argh! I'm so angry!" MTV kids. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Black Lushus 0 Report post Posted February 7, 2006 what kind of metal is Killswitch Engage and what's the general consensus on them? personally, I like them, but I'm not well versed in metal like you fellas. however, SYL's "Alien" gets repeated play in my CD Players. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Corey_Lazarus 0 Report post Posted February 7, 2006 Killswitch pioneered metalcore alongside Shadows Fall. The general consensus is...well, there is no general consensus. MOST people who listen to any sort of heavy music enjoy Killswitch, but those that actually know what the fuck they're talking about (a rarity) hate them. I'm in the latter camp (at least when it comes to hating Killswitch). And SYL is amazing. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skullman80 0 Report post Posted February 7, 2006 KSE is metalcore. I dig the AOJB and self titled, but hate the newest record. Howard should stick to BHBS. Jesse's vocals were perfect for that band. Shadows fall I love, I don't consider them metalcore, they remind me of old school Metallica circa 1988 or so.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
snuffbox 0 Report post Posted February 7, 2006 What kind of metal are Dillinger Escape Plan and Black Dhalia Murder? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Corey_Lazarus 0 Report post Posted February 7, 2006 DEP is mathcore, or at the very least they were. It's some weird form of metal and hardcore that plays in a lot of awkward time signatures and changes. Black Dahlia I would put under death metal. Musically they sound like their death metal forefathers of At The Gates and Carcass, with a little hint of Krisiun thrown in (listen to "Vulgar" and then Krisiun's "Evil God's Havoc" to see what I mean). Brutal and lovely. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Czech Republic 0 Report post Posted February 7, 2006 DEP is mathcore, or at the very least they were. It's some weird form of metal and hardcore that plays in a lot of awkward time signatures and changes. Sounds like Dave Brubeck, but shitty! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Corey_Lazarus 0 Report post Posted February 7, 2006 Eh...it's not for everyone. A lot of people love them. Personally, I can't stand them, but I at least respect their musicianship. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Czech Republic 0 Report post Posted February 7, 2006 I really like Dave Brubeck, but his stuff just feels like really cool songs that, if you sit down and dissect it, happen to be in uncommon meters, whereas mathcore is just like "WE PICKED RANDOM NUMBERS FOR OUR TIME SIGNATURES SO WE'RE IN 17/5!!! NOW WE SWITCHED TO 21/8!!!! NOW WE'RE IN -14/B!" Also the fact that it's related to hardcore makes it a lot of garbage for me. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Corey_Lazarus 0 Report post Posted February 7, 2006 And that's my problem with DEP, actually: it sounds like they're playing in different and awkward time signatures just for the sake of doing it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Czech Republic 0 Report post Posted February 7, 2006 "Money" by Pink Floyd is in 7/4, or rather 21/8. When it seems to speed up for Gilmour's solo, that's just going into 4. The beats per minute never change. It's an illusssssiooon. "Go to sleep." by Radiohead is a cool one, it's one bar of 4/4 and two bars of 6/8. "Watermelon in Easter Hay" by Zappa is alternating bars of 4/4 and 5/4. That's all I feel like rattling off. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Murmuring Beast 0 Report post Posted February 7, 2006 The theme to 'Mission Impossible' is in 5/4... What does GG Allin fall under? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Czech Republic 0 Report post Posted February 7, 2006 Batshit lunatic? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Agent of Oblivion Report post Posted February 9, 2006 I really like Dave Brubeck, but his stuff just feels like really cool songs that, if you sit down and dissect it, happen to be in uncommon meters, whereas mathcore is just like "WE PICKED RANDOM NUMBERS FOR OUR TIME SIGNATURES SO WE'RE IN 17/5!!! NOW WE SWITCHED TO 21/8!!!! NOW WE'RE IN -14/B!" Also the fact that it's related to hardcore makes it a lot of garbage for me. They're not that whacked. It's a pretty easy pigeonhole that seems to fit for a while, but seeing them live, it's really just punk rock with metal violence that requires one to pay attention. A fifth note indeed. They're not even tough guys or anything. The one guitarist is a vegan, I guess, plus one of the guys in Daughters! told me they (DEP) are pussies. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Corey_Lazarus 0 Report post Posted February 9, 2006 They seem like they would be. Most musicians that try to do "experimental" heavy music are huge pussies. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Czech Republic 0 Report post Posted February 9, 2006 That or the huge badasses can't think in meters more complicated than 4, so everyone else just looks like a pussy in comparison Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Giuseppe Zangara 0 Report post Posted February 9, 2006 Mastodon, if the rumors are true, are bigtime rockstar assholes, but they rarely play in 4/4 time. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Agent of Oblivion Report post Posted February 9, 2006 I met one of the guitarists (the short-haired fellow whose name escapes me). He was nice enough to stand and drink half a drink with me/shoot the breeze while Killswitch Engage ran long and everyone else was taking a dump or looking at merchandise. They could very well be pricks, though. It is metal, after all. Slayer are nice as pie, minus Jeff Hanneman, who is an asshole. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Corey_Lazarus 0 Report post Posted February 9, 2006 And he is the man. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest positivelyxpositive Report post Posted February 10, 2006 Killswitch pioneered metalcore alongside Shadows Fall. The general consensus is...well, there is no general consensus. MOST people who listen to any sort of heavy music enjoy Killswitch, but those that actually know what the fuck they're talking about (a rarity) hate them. I'm in the latter camp (at least when it comes to hating Killswitch). Actually, Rohrschach, Overcast, and Integrity pioneered the whole metalcore thing, KsE and Shadows Fall are just the bands that got big off of it... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rendclaw 0 Report post Posted February 12, 2006 The only band I have ever heard that could do wacky time changes in a song and really make them work was Dream Theater. But I am a Petrucci fan, so whatever. It might just be a sign of my advancing years, but after sitting and listening at Ozzfest this year, I am just longing for the metal days of my younger years, even though its the same thing now as it is then; One or two bands develop a successful formula, and then here comes the 20,000,000 copycat bands. Excellent analysis, Corey. Good stuff. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest J0bber Report post Posted February 12, 2006 Some copycat bands rule. Just look at Spineshank. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
