Super Bowl XL

[Guest]

So, Seattle gets all this press after they lose? Hatehatehatehatehate the media.

[naiwf 0]

So, Seattle gets all this press after they lose? Hatehatehatehatehate the media.

 

Well losing a SB in controversial fashion will do that, especially with a team that no one thought really belonged there.

[Guest]

I don't see how it's that controversial. I see 21-10 as the score, Seattle had plenty of chances to blow the Steelers up in the 1st half. There were bad calls though, I won't deny it. I'm just pissed off that it seemed nobody in the media wanted them there in the first place, yet they can't give the team they liked credit for winning the game. Pittsburgh made the big plays.

[Vern Gagne 0]

If SB3 was rigged...someone forgot to inform John Unitas.

 

 

Says who. Johnny already won a NFL championship, and got a second one two years later.

 

It's not concidence that after nearly forty years of futility Art Rooney (one of the masterminds behind the fix) is awarded four Super Bowls in a six year span.

 

Parkers run, Randle-El's pass, Roethlisbergers TD?, Seattles int and TD to Stevens. Watch those four plays and you saw the only things worth seeing.

 

Underrated Goat-Tom Rouen. Not sure if he was mentioned but he sucked. Four touchbacks, when a good punter pins the Steelers at least three teams inside 10.

[Guest Vitamin X]

If the refs wanted Bettis and Big Ben to get their rings so bad, why did they call back two huge plays for them in the divisional round?

 

Just wanted to play devil's advocate here, but maybe because the NFL would want Manning and the Colts to get THEIR rings more?

[Damaramu 0]

Super Bowl III-Shula and Colts agree to lose to the Jets. Allowing for the merger of the NFL and AFL. In return Colts owner Robert Irsay(did he own the team?) is awarded Super Bowl V. In return to losing, Tom Landry beats the Dolphins, who are know coached by Don Shula. Shula is finally rewarded with a perfect season, and two consecutive Super Bowl titles.

 

You're kidding.......right?

[Fökai 0]

Scobey let one of those touchbacks bounce RIGHT in his face at the 1-yard line. When the entire stadium groans at a play, you don' fucked up.

[Vern Gagne 0]

Super Bowl III-Shula and Colts agree to lose to the Jets. Allowing for the merger of the NFL and AFL. In return Colts owner Robert Irsay(did he own the team?) is awarded Super Bowl V. In return to losing, Tom Landry beats the Dolphins, who are know coached by Don Shula. Shula is finally rewarded with a perfect season, and two consecutive Super Bowl titles.

 

You're kidding.......right?

 

 

Not at all. Jets in a legit game would of stood zero chance against the Colts. Rozelle and the NFL owners despite what they said in public, wanted the revenue the AFL teams would bring in to the league.

[snuffbox 0]

Who let Oliver Stone in the thread?

 

Did 'culloden hastings' go by a different name before? He seems to have amassed alot of posts and I dont remember seeing that particular name too often.

[dh86 0]

bad refs make bad calls going against BOTH teams....last night i saw bad calls against 1...

[Special K 0]

Wow, that's easily the most frustrating game I've ever watched. Early on, the Seabirds were doing everything right. The Steelers running game was fucked. The defense was playing more physically than I've ever seen. Hasselbeck was moving the ball like crazy. They just COULDN'T SEAL THE DEAL.

 

The offensive PI was questionable, but I don't think it was an atrocious call. That took the wind out of their sails. You just HAVE to get up early on Cowher's team. Once they get a lead they chug away. Roethlisberger's TD was questionable. If it had been called no good, the challenge would have been overruled too.

 

Hines Ward never should have caught that long pass. Whoever was covering him (I forget) looked skittish, afraid of a PI. (that's something I'd like to see change. The refs are way to liberal with those long PI calls. Nevertheless, those are the rules, and that guy was RIGHT THERE.)

 

Hasselbeck was really fucking good this game. So was D-Jax. Seahawks' O -line was bar-none amazing. Against one of themost brutal D's in the league, they gave up, what, one sack? Hasselbeck's wheels are underrated.

 

I don't think this game was stolen by the refs, but they certainly made some questionable calls.

 

Anyway:

 

- I have high hopes for next season. Mr. TD will probably be gone, and maybe Mack Strong, but as long as the O-Line stays strong, I think we should be looking at another SB. NFC West sure doesn't hurt!

 

-That thunderous Seahawks chant on the Steelers' second drive, man the cockles of my heart, they were warm.

 

-No one can ever ever accuse the Hawks of being a soft team. Pretty much all the nasty hits came from the Hawks.

 

-If there was any team I'm glad we lost to the Steelers. They're a great fucking team, and Cowher out-coached us. Well, that's I lie. I wish it was the Bengals.

 

Either way, it was a great game. Go Seahawks.

[Vern Gagne 0]

Who let Oliver Stone in the thread?

 

Did 'culloden hastings' go by a different name before? He seems to have amassed alot of posts and I dont remember seeing that particular name too often.

 

I was Vern Gagne and fuck Oliver Stone. His shitty conspiracy theories, don't hold a candle to mine.

[NoCalMike 0]

The Seahawks had PLENTY of chances to win this game. Plenty. Too many drops, just too many damn drops for the Superbowl. Seattle killed themselves.

[2GOLD 0]

The Seahawks had PLENTY of chances to win this game. Plenty. Too many drops, just too many damn drops for the Superbowl. Seattle killed themselves.

 

There is a Seattle suicide joke there but I'll be damned if I am able to make it.

[Special K 0]

The worst part is I have a friend from Houston talking shit to me after the game.

 

Hey, what's that? You rooted for the Steelers? You have the worst team in football? Some arena teams would fuck you up? And yet he's talking shit. [bob Odenkirk] GOD DAMN IT. [/bob Odenkirk]

 

I do love Houston though. (the city, not the team)

[Special K 0]

There is a Seattle suicide joke there but I'll be damned if I am able to make it.

 

OH, don't worry. I saw 2 ambulances on the way back home.

[snuffbox 0]

Who let Oliver Stone in the thread?

 

Did 'culloden hastings' go by a different name before? He seems to have amassed alot of posts and I dont remember seeing that particular name too often.

 

I was Vern Gagne and fuck Oliver Stone. His shitty conspiracy theories, don't hold a candle to mine.

 

Ah, Vern Gagne, I remember that. And, yeah, you definitly got Stone beat.

[Vern Gagne 0]

Courtney Love meet Bill Leavy

[Special K 0]

The sports blogs are definitely abuzz. Did the Steelers beat us? Yes. Was the officiation one-sided? Yes also. I think the Steelers play on emotion more than most teams, and if that first TD...

 

AWWW fuck it. Congrats Steelers.

 

I would give the $400 I've won from fantasy to have the Hawks win, in a seccond.

 

At least my fantasy team's unbeatable.

 

No way they can hold Shaun for next year, who's a viable replacement? A rook? Domanick Davis? Mack Strong's going to hurt us the most. He's such a fucking stud, and com on, porn name.

[2GOLD 0]

The sports blogs are definitely abuzz. Did the Steelers beat us? Yes. Was the officiation one-sided? Yes also. I think the Steelers play on emotion more than most teams, and if that first TD...

 

AWWW fuck it. Congrats Steelers.

 

I would give the $400 I've won from fantasy to have the Hawks win, in a seccond.

 

At least my fantasy team's unbeatable.

 

No way they can hold Shaun for next year, who's a viable replacement? A rook? Domanick Davis? Mack Strong's going to hurt us the most. He's such a fucking stud, and com on, porn name.

 

Dom Davis could be a good addition (if the Texans let him go) or maybe a second-third rounder if you can find a steal. If you had a quarterback to give up, the Seahawks could get Ricky Williams from the Dolphins I'd bet. Plus Jamal Lewis days in Baltimore are basically over and done. No one knows what will become of the Larry Johnson-Priest Holmes deal in KC either.

 

The good news is if you need a running back, this year is definately the year to need one. Lots of quality backs will be out there.

[Special K 0]

I'll take Maurice Morris over Jamal or Priest (I'm I huge Priest fan, but he's done) He's actually pretty good, I just don't think he can take a full workload. Ricky Williams would be stellar, but I hear he's going to AZ. I think Dom would be a great fit for the 'Hawks. Just please don't pick up Ahman Green. I don't even know if he's up for grabs, I just hate him. The Hawks could honestly do well with a committee RB.

 

Caveat: If Ricky Williams goes to AZ, they'll be such a fucking fun team to watch. I already like them (since they pose no threat *pray*) Great offense + shity D = fun team to watch. It's why I like the Chiefs.

 

Oh, God, if the Chiefs pick up TO, they're going to be the most exciting offense ever. They're not going to be a complete team, mund you. But LJ's Superman leap + TO's 80 yd TD's, incredible.

 

And BTW, if Palmer hadn't been hurt, the Bengals would have been playing in the SB. If if's and but's.

 

Anyway, just to make myself feel good: My fantasy keepers in a 12 man league:

 

LJ

Lamont Jordan

Tiki

Palmer/M Harrison. I'll probably keep Palmer.

 

Go Seahawks, go NFC in the pro bowl. Really don't give a shit, though.

[iggymcfly 0]

Wow, I bet on Seattle and I didn't think the officiating was that bad at all. Didn't even realize there was a controversy until hours later. The offensive pass interference was called in a situation where it usually wouldn't be but the fact is that it was the right call. The receiver got open by pushing off; therefore, it's offensive PI. And the Roethlisberger TD really looked like a score to me too. His hand was over the goal line by about two or three inches, so we have to assume the ball was too. If I was the referee, I would have called that a score as well.

 

The Hasselbeck penalty on the INT was ridiculous as it's not even in the rule book, and there might have been a couple dodgy holding calls here and there, but overall, I think the "questionable plays" were just isolated mistakes, not a systematic bias against Seattle.

 

Oh, and if you want an example of a fixed game, I can give you one. The Monday Night game a few years ago where Peyton Manning's Colts made a 21 point comeback in the last 2:00. Vanderjagt missed the field goal that was supposed to win it, so after the play was already over, the refs threw a flag, and said "uh................ leaping". If that rule was in the rulebook before the game (which I'm not even sure it was), it was only there to cover the NFL's ass in case a game they wanted to fix went wrong on the last play. The player didn't even land on a lineman anyway, but it's so hard to see what happens on the line from the camera angles the NFL uses that no one would say conclusively that he didn't.

 

*- I'm not sure the comeback was exactly 21 points, but it was something like that and you get the idea.

[Red Baron 0]

Just because the DB gave up on Jackson was considered a PI call? Man T.O. Chad Johnson and all other receivers make a name from themselves by doing that.

 

Obviously Alexander is not coming back, but hopefully not Mack Strong. He's been the best FB in the last four years. I'd like to see Seattle get another kicker as much as I like Josh Brown he doesn't have a good leg strength from 40+.

[Black Lushus 0]

leg strength wasn't his problem last night...dude needs to work on his accuracy.

[Slayer 0]

With regard to the "how could the refs be biased against the Steelers three weeks ago and then for them last night", were I a conspiracy theorist, I would argue that three weeks ago the Colts were the story of the year for the NFL (big regular season, Dungy death) and so the NFL did want to see them go to the SB. Unfortunately not even the refs could overcome the vortex of choke emitted by Peyton and Dungy, so the Steelers moved on. When we wound up with a Steelers vs. Seawho? SuperBowl, the STOY shifted to Pittsburgh since the Seawhats? had nothing going for them from a hype standpoint. That's why there was a shift in bias, if you believe that. I don't, particularly, but that's how I'd argue it.

 

For the most part I don't believe there are HUGE conspiracies in the NFL like Vern toyed around with, but I think there are some here and there. The biggest one that sticks out in my mind was the 1999 NFC title game between the Rams and Bucs where a Shaun King to Bert Emanuel pass that would have been a first down with good posiiton to score was reversed by the booth (inside two minutes left), because the NFL was saying "There's no way in hell we're letting Tampa go to the SB over the STOY Rams"

[Guest Princess Leena]

Or, it could have just been for betting purposes.

 

Which I truly don't put past the NFL.

 

I don't think it was the case, though... the only horrible call was the "chop block" on Hasselbeck when he was trying to make a tackle. If anything, the other noticeable bad call went to Seattle, with Stevens' fumble after he made that catch... he had 3 feet down. But, I believe the ball rolled out of bounds, so it didn't make much difference.

[Slayer 0]

I tend not to think about the gambling thing much... though it might make sense since this is the first SB in five years to win the spread

[Slayer 0]

Another question: What does this do for Cowher and the HoF?

[Special K 0]

Well, there's going to be conspiracy theories seeing as every fucking commercial focused on the Stealers, and every close call (except the Stevans fumble) went against the Seahawks.

[Guest Princess Leena]

I think Cowher is certainly HoF now... probably a good shot even if he didn't win the SB. He's already around the amount of wins guys like Levy and Bud Grant had... and Cowher still has a lot of years of coaching ahead of him.