MarvinisaLunatic Posted February 11, 2006 Report Posted February 11, 2006 Article I'll spare the long list.. and just give you the Education stuff: GONE COMPLETELY: Educational technology state grants, $272 million Even Start, $99 million High school programs terminations: Vocational education state grants, $1,182 million Vocational education national programs, $9 million Upward Bound, $311 million GEAR UP, $303 million Talent search, $145 million Tech prep state grants, $105 million Smaller learning communities, $94 million Safe and Drug-Free Schools state grants, $347 million Elementary and secondary education program terminations: Parental information and resource centers, $40 million Arts in education, $35 million Elementary and secondary school counseling, $35 million Alcohol abuse reduction, $32 million Civic education, $29 million National Writing Project, $22 million Star Schools, $15 million School leadership,$15 million Ready to Teach, $11 million Javits gifted and talented education, $10 million Exchanges with Historic Whaling and Trading Partners, $9 million Comprehensive school reform, $8 million Dropout prevention program, $5 million Mental Health integration in schools, $5 million Women's Educational Equity, $3 million Academies for American History and Civics, $2 million Close-Up fellowships, $1 million Foundations for Learning, $1 million Excellence in Economic Education, $1 million Higher Education Programs: Education demos for students with disabilities, $7 million Underground Railroad Program, $2 million State grants for incarcerated youth offenders, $23 million Postsecondary Student Financial Assistance Programs: Perkins Loan cancellations, $65 million Leveraging educational assistance programs, $65 million Byrd Scholarships, $41 million Thurgood Marshall Legal Educational opportunity, $3 million B.J. Stupak Olympic scholarships, $1 million Vocational rehabilitation programs: Supported employment, $30 million Projects with industry, $20 million Recreational programs, $3 million Migrant and seasonal farmworkers,$2 million Teacher Quality Enhancement, $60 million Total $3,468 million Cuts Perkins Loans Institutional Fund recall, $664 million Teaching American history, $71 million Physical education, $47 million Mentoring program, $30 million Total $811 million Thats real nice. I didnt have time to do the math, but it looks like all the other cuts alone barely equal the cuts in Education alone.
Vampiro69 Posted February 11, 2006 Report Posted February 11, 2006 I love the fact that as a new teacher starting this spring, we have to deal with all these programs being cut. I know cuts had to be made but it is hard enough for the states to comply with No Child Left Behind, but with these cuts it is even going to be more of a challenge.
CheesalaIsGood Posted February 11, 2006 Report Posted February 11, 2006 Well they gotta siphon the money out of the war from SOMEWHERE!
CanadianGuitarist Posted February 11, 2006 Report Posted February 11, 2006 It's a drop in the bucket of course, but the First Tee Program's annual fund of 5 million? Probably gone, I would think. Bad news for a prospective golf pro like myself. Fucks sakes.
Guest InuYasha Posted February 11, 2006 Report Posted February 11, 2006 Myself and one of my uncles are the "black sheep" in the family, because we're Democrats. When my mom started talking about how Bush made an excellent speech at the SOTU Address, I just had to pop-up and say, "Yeah, for a Democrat." Bush goes on and on in his speech about the need for better education, and now he's sitting there on his hands like the chimp he is, while his party in Congress pisses away all the money for education. How are we going to get our nation into the second half of this century, when a student who's 5-10 years old today will be paying off college loans well into his or her 50's? I hope this country wakes up soon, or we'll all find ourselves poorer than shit, but too stupid to know it.
Art Sandusky Posted February 11, 2006 Report Posted February 11, 2006 We won't all be poor. A healthy 1-5% will live quite comfortably.
Guest InuYasha Posted February 11, 2006 Report Posted February 11, 2006 We won't all be poor. A healthy 1-5% will live quite comfortably. Great Depression Round II, here we come.....
Ced Posted February 11, 2006 Report Posted February 11, 2006 Nothing like insuring an even wider educational gap in the future when compared to the rest of the world. Go US!
dh86 Posted February 11, 2006 Report Posted February 11, 2006 and big business wont care..all theyd have to do is outsource more...get the tax break and cut more salaries for higher skilled worsers overseas
SuperJerk Posted February 11, 2006 Report Posted February 11, 2006 This is a Congressional election year. I have faith most of the money will be put back in. The Rpublicans love to defend their tax cut by claiming its driving economic growth, but I have yet to see any real evidence of that. Jusr repealing part of that cut could more than may for restoring this money.
CheesalaIsGood Posted February 12, 2006 Report Posted February 12, 2006 Gee and maybe if there were higher paying, more rewarding jobs out there even for the "unskilled" the economy would grow because more people would have more money to spend on the stupid shit corporations insist we buy BUY BUY! Nah, that would never work.
CanadianChris Posted February 12, 2006 Report Posted February 12, 2006 C'mon, if Bush made it to the top, how valuable can education really be, anyway?
Guest InuYasha Posted February 12, 2006 Report Posted February 12, 2006 C'mon, if Bush made it to the top, how valuable can education really be, anyway? Sorry, CC, but Bush isn't the example of stupid people getting a good break; he's the ultimate example of nepotism in the modern age.
The Czech Republic Posted February 13, 2006 Report Posted February 13, 2006 C'mon, if Bush made it to the top, how valuable can education really be, anyway? durrr bsuh is teh dumbest
Stephen Joseph Posted February 13, 2006 Report Posted February 13, 2006 I'm all for keeping an educational gap. Better job security for smart folks like me btw, I am kidding
iggymcfly Posted February 18, 2006 Report Posted February 18, 2006 Article I'll spare the long list.. and just give you the Education stuff: GONE COMPLETELY: Total $3.468 billion Cuts Total $811 million Finally, Bush does something that I agree with. Now if we could just get him to find the $6 billion that "disappeared" in Iraq, and then maybe pull out of Iraq altogether and save $120 billion, we might really be on the way to fixing the budget.
super_tigris Posted March 3, 2006 Report Posted March 3, 2006 I don't know how serious anyone is about "Great Depression: Round II", but to be honest, it's going to require a whole hell of a lot more than education budget cuts to insight something even close to what happened in the 20's and 30's, especially on such a global level. And on an ironic level, what brough us out of the Depression originally was War.
Big Ol' Smitty Posted March 3, 2006 Report Posted March 3, 2006 what brough us out of the Depression originally was War. See Sweden, 1934.
Dobbs 3K Posted March 4, 2006 Report Posted March 4, 2006 Well, instead of cutting the education budget, why don't we just admit that the government has no business running the education system and simply privatize the whole damn thing already?
Big Ol' Smitty Posted March 4, 2006 Report Posted March 4, 2006 Well, instead of cutting the education budget, why don't we just admit that the government has no business running the education system and simply privatize the whole damn thing already? http://www.cals.ncsu.edu/agexed/aee501/mann.html http://www.iep.utm.edu/d/dewey.htm
SuperJerk Posted March 6, 2006 Report Posted March 6, 2006 Well, instead of cutting the education budget, why don't we just admit that the government has no business running the education system and simply privatize the whole damn thing already? Even if you privatize education, it still has to be publicly funded or else you'll end up in a situation where some families simply can't afford to send their kids to school.
Justice Posted March 6, 2006 Report Posted March 6, 2006 Not only that, but you risk objectivity, among other things. The key to a free society lies in public education. By allowing for a 'free-market education system', you inevitably get lower quality schools for people who have less money. It's actually too efficient in the movement of resources in the sense that good teachers will always move to higher paying jobs, which will inevitably be in the richest neighborhoods. Education needs to be subsidized to an extent, so that everyone gets a fair shot.
Big Ol' Smitty Posted March 6, 2006 Report Posted March 6, 2006 Not only that, but you risk objectivity, among other things. The key to a free society lies in public education. By allowing for a 'free-market education system', you inevitably get lower quality schools for people who have less money. It's actually too efficient in the movement of resources in the sense that good teachers will always move to higher paying jobs, which will inevitably be in the richest neighborhoods. Education needs to be subsidized to an extent, so that everyone gets a fair shot. ?!?!
Justice Posted March 6, 2006 Report Posted March 6, 2006 I've always argued this. I'm the son and grand-son of Detroit Public Schools teachers, for God's sakes. I've seen just about every school you can see, private and public. For me, it's just simple observation.
Dobbs 3K Posted March 7, 2006 Report Posted March 7, 2006 Fine...if we can't privatize it, what about a voucher system where each child gets money attached to them every year, and schools have to compete to recruit that child if they want the money? (If that makes sense). I just think we need to run schools more like businesses and less like inefficient socialist-style institutions.
Art Sandusky Posted March 7, 2006 Report Posted March 7, 2006 Making anything more like a business will only lead to mass inequality in that arena. See also: lobbyists, Lawmakers' relationships with.
SuperJerk Posted March 7, 2006 Report Posted March 7, 2006 Fine...if we can't privatize it, what about a voucher system where each child gets money attached to them every year, and schools have to compete to recruit that child if they want the money? (If that makes sense). I just think we need to run schools more like businesses and less like inefficient socialist-style institutions. I have some very strong concerns about a voucher system that have to do with simple supply and demand: 1. What is preventing private schools from charging more than the voucher is worth? You'd be back to square one since the kids who can't afford private schools into would still not able to afford private schools. 2. The demand for private education will be greater than the supply. This will lead to stiff tuition hikes until you are back to square one since the kids who can't afford private schools into would still not able to afford private schools. 3. Private schools are allowed to be selective about who they admit (this also explains why they appear to get better results). A kid who has gone to a bad school his whole life still wouldn't be able to get in because he wouldn't be able to meet the private school entrance requirements. This is especially true since there would now be greater competition to get in. I don't see a problem with creating a system of charter schools that are publicly funded, except for the fact that a private company would have to step up and do the creating. By contrast, the track we're on right now is starting to work. Thanks to NCLB, districts now have a monetary incentive to hold teachers and students to higher standards. (I'd argue, though, that NCLB is a mixed bag. It sets the bar a little too high, because it doesn't exempt kids who are mentally retarded from testing, and expects every child at some point in the future to score average or above average on state tests. It also sets the bar too low because it allows individual states to establish where the 5 levels of competency should be, so places like Arkansas look like geniuses while kids in Kansas look like they're falling behind.)
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