OAO No Way Out Thread, Feb/19th/2006

[Aero 0]

Would it be worth it to order the replay?

[iggymcfly 0]

Damn, this is making me wish I'd gotten my ass down to the sports bar to watch the Taker/Angle match. The title matches were so disappointing at the Royal Rumble that I decided I'd just stay home, especially since Taker/Angle was the only match I was interested in on the whole card. If I'd known they were going to have a 30 minute classic like this one seems to be, I would have been there in a heartbeat.

[Guest Dam(o)nYankees]

Would it be worth it to order the replay?

Benoit/Booker and Taker/Angle were both very good. Taker/Angle was phenomenal.

[RavishingRickRudo 0]

Taker/Angle was fucking amazing. I swear, I thought it was over when Angle put on the Anklelock 03. Definite MOTYC, possible MOTY. The way they worked the Anklelock vs. Triangle choke was BRILLIANT. Especially when, in the end, the move they kept going for did them in. When Angle had the Anklelock 03 on Taker, Taker was able to boot him in the face until he let go. The difference between the two is when Angle had Taker in trouble, when Taker had the triangle choke on, Taker wouldn't let go. Trefuckingmendous.

[cabbageboy 0]

Count me as someone who wondered why the hell you'd waste UT's title match on a filler lame duck PPV like No Way Out. Let's face it, now Angle has beaten UT CLEAN. Does anyone seriously buy Orton as a realistic threat to Angle after that, and considering his own inept failures against the Taker? Do they not even think of any of this shit?

 

The good thing is that there was no lame Mark Henry run in. I was worried they might do that, but perhaps sanity has at least prevailed in that respect.

 

I'm calling this though: No way in hell does Angle/Orton end up as a 1 on 1 WM main event. That match has literally no marketability, heat, nothing. It'd be like if they let that HHH/Big Show match stand after No Way Out in 2000. Actually it'd be worse, since HHH and Show have had some respectable (albeit not WM main event) outings.

 

I'm also glad others have noticed how flat out shitty Orton has gotten. Not so much before the injury, but since he got back over the summer the guy has simply been the drizzling shits. His matches exist for him to do headlocks for 10 minutes and then if he wins he hits an RKO. At this point he can't even be CARRIED. Watch those 30m long snoozers against Benoit over the past few months....literally 90% of the actual work is being done by Benoit. Orton brings nothing besides his boring restholds to the table. Contrast it to the Benoit/Booker matches where at least Booker is bringing something competent to the table in terms of actual offense and a modicum of excitement.

 

People a month or two ago were saying that Cena is starting to get X-Pac heat. So wrong. Cena at least gets a passionate reaction, be it from those who love him or hate him. Orton is truly the guy getting the X-Pac heat. As in no reactions, nobody gives a shit, just wish he'd get released and/or run over by a truck. That my friends is X-Pac heat.

[RavishingRickRudo 0]

I think Orton did a better job in the match than Rey. In terms of selling, both his facials and his bumps, and that finish, which was great. I was like "Why the fuck did Orton stumble over to the middlerope" and then it became obvious and I marked.

[Danville_Wrestling 0]

Good to see UT turn on the working boots tonight.

 

Once again, it'll be interesting to see how business does in the buildup to WrestleMania and after WrestleMania as we have the potential to see three heels go over in the main event: Orton, HHH, and McMahon (since HBK evidently wants time off after Mania).

[Guest]

Count me as someone who wondered why the hell you'd waste UT's title match on a filler lame duck PPV like No Way Out. Let's face it, now Angle has beaten UT CLEAN. Does anyone seriously buy Orton as a realistic threat to Angle after that, and considering his own inept failures against the Taker? Do they not even think of any of this shit?

That's why Orton and Angle won't wind up facing each other in a 1 on 1 match.

 

I'm calling this though: No way in hell does Angle/Orton end up as a 1 on 1 WM main event. That match has literally no marketability, heat, nothing. It'd be like if they let that HHH/Big Show match stand after No Way Out in 2000.

I think Orton will beat UT in a 3 way, but not cleanly. There's no fucking way that UT jobs on back to back PPV's cleanly. It's not possible. That's the biggest rub they can give Orton, but beating UT unclean wouldn't accomplish a damn thing. If Orton were to beat UT cleanly and that didn't get him over, it's be time to pack that experiment in.

 

I don't know why Rey would agree to go along with this whole thing only to be buried. It doesn't make sense. To continue the stupidity, he'll turn heel. That's the only way it gets worse.

[cabbageboy 0]

I wonder, do you think UT busted his ass hard tonight in an attempt to wow Vince into putting him in the WM main event? And if so, how the hell do you book that? If it is indeed a 4 way would UT's streak be on the line if he himself didn't figure in the decision? Or is it elimination style?

 

Mind you, I'm just going by what has been said here....I haven't seen this PPV. After the past month on SD with this Eddie crap there's no way I'd order this show. In fact I just watched a DVD I got for Christmas of Against All Odds 2005, with Jarrett/Nash and Styles/Daniels.

[claydude14 0]

Taker/Angle was the shit. Smackdown! brings the workrate again. Awesome stuff.

[cabbageboy 0]

You know though, if they actually do a 4 way then in my view UT has to win it. I'd rather him not lose his WM streak in some weak ass 4 way encounter, and especially not to Orton. And not after jobbing clean at a lame duck No Way Out show.

[RavishingRickRudo 0]

Taker usually brings the workrate, so I don't see what the surprise is.

[Hawk 34 0]

Shit, at this point they need to just scrape all the "plans" they had and just put Angle/Taker III (we will ignore everything prior to the SD match) as the main event. The show is heading to bust-land, just admit and do a bunch of quickie set up and go for the work-rate crowd.

[naiwf 0]

Shit, at this point they need to just scrape all the "plans" they had and just put Angle/Taker III (we will ignore everything prior to the SD match) as the main event. The show is heading to bust-land, just admit and do a bunch of quickie set up and go for the work-rate crowd.

 

The WWE doesn't need Taker as a champion, nor do they need a screwy finish. The odds of Taker agreeing to job twice in a row, cleanly to the same guy AND lose his WM streak in the process is just something I don't think can accurately be calculated.

[Hawk 34 0]

Shit, at this point they need to just scrape all the "plans" they had and just put Angle/Taker III (we will ignore everything prior to the SD match) as the main event. The show is heading to bust-land, just admit and do a bunch of quickie set up and go for the work-rate crowd.

 

The WWE doesn't need Taker as a champion, nor do they need a screwy finish. The odds of Taker agreeing to job twice in a row, cleanly to the same guy AND lose his WM streak in the process is just something I don't think can accurately be calculated.

 

I want a good show, and a great match. Go ahead and put the title on Taker for a month, it's not like they haven't done it before. *I know I was against this a couple months ago, but jesus christ, RANDY ORTON? No. Undertaker is still a better option*

 

WM, as it is right is a bust. salvage it by either giving us Taker/Angle III or Benoit/Taker. With the latter, you get the quality and less political hassle.

[Guest Dam(o)nYankees]

Shit, at this point they need to just scrape all the "plans" they had and just put Angle/Taker III (we will ignore everything prior to the SD match) as the main event. The show is heading to bust-land, just admit and do a bunch of quickie set up and go for the work-rate crowd.

 

The WWE doesn't need Taker as a champion,

But they need RANDY ORTON?

[RedJed 0]

Overall this ppv was quite acceptable with the ring work but I'm still concerned on what they are doing with Mania....

 

Opening match was a decent opener and a decent match for WWE CW "standards." So I would imagine Helms v. Kash at Mania?

 

Lashley/JBL was also quite alright, but not feeling Lashley/Finley. How about a triple threat or four way w/ Benoit at Mania - for the US title perhaps?

 

Damn I was not feeling that Orton/Angle exchange AT ALL backstage. And what a lame way to start a storyline if they still are anticipating forcing down Orton/Angle at Mania.

 

Dont really get the point of putting over a team they just threw together (Hardy/Tatanka) over MNM. Tatanka didnt look that bad, most in thanks to the heels selling everything like crazy. Tatanka/Hardy is a joke of a team though and I have no desire to actually see this team in a title match with MNM. Please not at Mania!!!

 

Benoit/Booker was very solid stuff, I was marking out for the sharpshooter/crossface finish sequence. Phenominal!

 

Orton/Rey match actually wasn't too bad, but what a lame duck finish and then to tell that story after the match - they just HAVE to put Rey in the title match now or the guy is totally buried. They don't even bury guys that bad on the way out of the company, they just have to do a clean job and bow out gracefully, and not have the annoucing and general storyline being that you are a dumbshit for falling "into the trap."

 

Taker/Angle was really strong stuff, something I havent seen in WWE in a long time, and just thought how this was supposed to be at Mania originally and how tremendous is would have fit on that card. Adding in the Taker streak and that Angle would be able to end it via a clean win like that would have made it worthwhile.

 

The way there was no Henry run-in and then there was Taker claiming he's not done with Angle makes me wonder if we get some Teddy Long segment this week where there is proof on replay that Angle's shoulders were also down on the mat or whatever. So Taker gets a shot at Mania. Orton is in but under BS means, so he can still get credibility (or so they think) if they maybe still give him the belt at Mania. And Rey would get in since he was "screwed" in the Orton match. And you got the fatal four-way there - Angle v. Orton v. Rey v. Taker. Maybe Vince pulled back on Henry and he won't even be on the Mania card?

[Danville_Wrestling 0]

Just put the title on Taker since he won't drop the streak, big deal, and then have Angle regain it at Judgement Day in a specialty match where some interference can cost Taker the belt or whatever have you. I swear, fans will be talking about this match tomorrow and considering the other crap they have on the WM card they need this as opposed to a Angle-Orton snoosefest which you know they'll try to portray was Randy's headlocks wearing down Angle's neck.

[Boon 0]

Just put the title on Taker since he won't drop the streak, big deal, and then have Angle regain it at Judgement Day in a specialty match where some interference can cost Taker the belt or whatever have you. I swear, fans will be talking about this match tomorrow and considering the other crap they have on the WM card they need this as opposed to a Angle-Orton snoosefest which you know they'll try to portray was Randy's headlocks wearing down Angle's neck.

Wait a minute- something's wrong with Angle's neck?

 

I never knew!

[Art Sandusky 0]

While not excited about it for the same reasons as Rudo and Curry, that title match was pretty damn good. First time in a long while where I've left the sports bar and felt satisfied with a show, one that wasn't offering more than the usual "it was all right I guess" feeling to that point. I'm a big believer in the main event of a show offering the best match, so maybe that's why this show left me feeling good. The only problem I had with it was the sheer amount of time Undertaker's leg spent being punished with a minimal limp as the result, but he's supposed to be a zombie so it gets a little leeway with me.

 

Orton/Mysterio wasn't the stinker it's been portrayed as thus far, but it wasn't very good either. I love the hell out of how Orton sells everything, but besides that and his pose, I still haven't cared about him since the summer of 2004. The post-match crap doesn't really require elaboration.

[Hawk 34 0]

I'd turn Rey into a whiney face complaining that Randy cheated, and challenges him to a rematch.

 

Benoit goes to Rey and bitches at him for being a cry-baby, Rey gets defensive. Booker T also puts in his title shot re-match clause that night.

 

Rey/Orton goes first with it going 10 minutes, until Booker T comes out. They play up that Booker owns Randy that favor. Benoit charges out and during it all, Booker fucks up and costs Randy the match. Rey gets the cheap pin and is now the #1 contender again.

 

Orton comes out to Booker but Mysterio comes out and screws up and costs Benoit the title. Booker is the new champion.

 

Meanwhile, Teddy Long is baffled by this and can't figure anything out and makes a decision.

 

Due to the confusion caused by the recent on-goings...The Undertaker is re-named the #1 contender due to a strong performence and that the US Title will be between Orton/Rey/Booker/Benoit.

 

That'd clear up the entire mess. Undertaker wins the match, takes a 2 month reign where Orton FINALLY beats Undertaker for the title. Rey finally gets his moment in the sun by pinning Booker T to win the US Title.

 

That leads to the perfect timing of Batista coming back to chase Orton for his World Title.

[RedJed 0]

One other thing about this ppv, I felt like it was worth the $$$ tonight, but I am still not even close to pumped to Mania yet, which should be going hand in hand most of the time when you feel like it was a good ppv.

 

It's just weird how the ringwork was very strong tonight overall and it really overshadowed the inept "appears to be" booking for the supposed biggest ppv of the year.

[SuperJerk 0]

Looks like I'm not ordering Wrestlemania this year. HHH & Orton go over, yay! The two people who need to be far from the belts right now.

Two heels winning the belts at Wrestlemania? No.

 

One, perhaps...but not both.

[cabbageboy 0]

This show sounds like a case of one totally rotten and offensive angle spoiling what sounds like a solid PPV. I might have to check this show out now if it's on 24/7, since they've had recent PPVs on there of late.

 

I can't really see Benoit and UT for the US title though, seems a bit odd. How about UT vs. JBL since I don't recall a recent UT win over him? Thing is, after the Boogeyman squashed JBL no one would believe he had a shot.

 

Why does everyone seem to think Orton is obviously getting the title at WM? Is he over? No. After tonight they really need to have Rey win that match if it's a 3 way, if nothing else to rebuild his credibility.

 

If there's one good thing about this though, there's no way anyone can ever put that Rumble shot on the line again. Now that someone has actually lost their title shot there's no way someone else would be dumb enough to put it up for grabs.

[Hawk 34 0]

This show sounds like a case of one totally rotten and offensive angle spoiling what sounds like a solid PPV. I might have to check this show out now if it's on 24/7, since they've had recent PPVs on there of late.

 

I can't really see Benoit and UT for the US title though, seems a bit odd. How about UT vs. JBL since I don't recall a recent UT win over him? Thing is, after the Boogeyman squashed JBL no one would believe he had a shot.

 

Why does everyone seem to think Orton is obviously getting the title at WM? Is he over? No. After tonight they really need to have Rey win that match if it's a 3 way, if nothing else to rebuild his credibility.

 

If there's one good thing about this though, there's no way anyone can ever put that Rumble shot on the line again. Now that someone has actually lost their title shot there's no way someone else would be dumb enough to put it up for grabs.

 

This is like, the 3rd time someone lost their title shot.

 

No, Undertaker/Angle III needs to happen for the World Title. Benoit/Orton/Mysterio/Booker for the US Title. Do Benoit/Taker at Judgment Day or whatever. At this point, Orton/Angle can't happen and sticking Rey, who looks like a uber-loser in the WM main event would kill the show.

[naiwf 0]

Shit, at this point they need to just scrape all the "plans" they had and just put Angle/Taker III (we will ignore everything prior to the SD match) as the main event. The show is heading to bust-land, just admit and do a bunch of quickie set up and go for the work-rate crowd.

 

The WWE doesn't need Taker as a champion,

But they need RANDY ORTON?

 

Taker as champ necessitates either a long run, or a short reign with a fluke title loss. Neither is good. Orton could drop the title the following SD and no one would complain. He's a transitional champ, while they'd more than likely try to stretch this last Taker run out or just do the title swap to preserve his meaningless streak and then have him drop it back to Kurt or to Orton, which makes me say "why bother?" doing that match at all. We just saw it with Cena/Edge/Cena and I can't see Taker bringing the workrate this soon after his annual effort to show he's still got something.

[Boon 0]

Y'all are forgetting the mega hard-on that Vince has for Mark Henry.

[Guest Dr Stupid]

I'd turn Rey into a whiney face complaining that Randy cheated, and challenges him to a rematch.

 

Benoit goes to Rey and bitches at him for being a cry-baby, Rey gets defensive. Booker T also puts in his title shot re-match clause that night.

 

Rey/Orton goes first with it going 10 minutes, until Booker T comes out. They play up that Booker owns Randy that favor. Benoit charges out and during it all, Booker fucks up and costs Randy the match. Rey gets the cheap pin and is now the #1 contender again.

 

Orton comes out to Booker but Mysterio comes out and screws up and costs Benoit the title. Booker is the new champion.

 

Meanwhile, Teddy Long is baffled by this and can't figure anything out and makes a decision.

 

Due to the confusion caused by the recent on-goings...The Undertaker is re-named the #1 contender due to a strong performence and that the US Title will be between Orton/Rey/Booker/Benoit.

 

That'd clear up the entire mess. Undertaker wins the match, takes a 2 month reign where Orton FINALLY beats Undertaker for the title. Rey finally gets his moment in the sun by pinning Booker T to win the US Title.

 

That leads to the perfect timing of Batista coming back to chase Orton for his World Title.

 

No thanks. It's bad enough for the Rumble winner to put his shot on the line, but for the GM to null it completely? And Orton has already beated Undertaker at Summerslam.

[Masked Man of Mystery 0]

Nah, Rey will blame Eddie's spirit for not helping him out enough, and it'll be Rey vs. Eddie's Ghost at WM.

 

It'll be the second best 1 person match in history. (Slightly behind Chris Griffin vs. The Imaginary Bear)

 

Colin "Bomber" Harris would like to argue([the Monty Python wrestling skit)

[Hawk 34 0]

Shit, at this point they need to just scrape all the "plans" they had and just put Angle/Taker III (we will ignore everything prior to the SD match) as the main event. The show is heading to bust-land, just admit and do a bunch of quickie set up and go for the work-rate crowd.

 

The WWE doesn't need Taker as a champion,

But they need RANDY ORTON?

 

Taker as champ necessitates either a long run, or a short reign with a fluke title loss. Neither is good. Orton could drop the title the following SD and no one would complain. He's a transitional champ, while they'd more than likely try to stretch this last Taker run out or just do the title swap to preserve his meaningless streak and then have him drop it back to Kurt or to Orton, which makes me say "why bother?" doing that match at all. We just saw it with Cena/Edge/Cena and I can't see Taker bringing the workrate this soon after his annual effort to show he's still got something.

 

Against Angle @ Mania? He'd fucking bring it. He always brings it with good people in the ring.

 

Why bother? Because it'd be a good match that has alot of interest because of tonight's match and people would interested to see if Angle can pin him again, this time with the streak on the line.

 

That is a HELL of a lot more interesting the Randy Vs Kurt.