USC Wuz Robbed! Posted February 22, 2006 Report Posted February 22, 2006 Methinks Manero needs to fire the "source" in his head.
Cheech Tremendous Posted February 22, 2006 Report Posted February 22, 2006 By the way, is there a source on this Penny for Francis deal? I'm not seeing it reported anywhere.
Brett Favre Posted February 22, 2006 Report Posted February 22, 2006 It's a done deal. WFAN just reported it. Penny and Ariza for Francis. I guess the KG talks are over.
USC Wuz Robbed! Posted February 22, 2006 Report Posted February 22, 2006 Well CW, you should be happy that David Lee remains a Knick then.
Cheech Tremendous Posted February 22, 2006 Report Posted February 22, 2006 I would assume the KG talks were over when McHale answered the phone and realized that Isiah was on the other end.
Brett Favre Posted February 22, 2006 Report Posted February 22, 2006 I would assume the KG talks were over when McHale answered the phone and realized that Isiah was on the other end. Actually they talked all night about the deal. If it gets out, chances are, there were talks. And yeah i'm happy David Lee stays, although Crawford now has to go. It seems like Larry Brown wanted Francis; so lets hope he makes this work.
Brett Favre Posted February 22, 2006 Report Posted February 22, 2006 Obviously a follow up trade was coming, so here's what Isiah seems to be working on right now: Jamal Crawford, Taylor, Butler, and a pick for Kenyon Martin and Earl Watson.
naiwf Posted February 22, 2006 Report Posted February 22, 2006 Why is he so insistent on making the team worse?
Brett Favre Posted February 22, 2006 Report Posted February 22, 2006 That doesn't really make the team worse, but the contract stuff with Martin bothers me.
Cheech Tremendous Posted February 22, 2006 Report Posted February 22, 2006 That doesn't really make the team worse, but the contract stuff with Martin bothers me. Does the contract stuff with Jalen Rose, Stephon Marbury, Steve Francis, Quentin Richardson, Jerome James, Malik Rose, or Eddy Curry bother you? If not, who gives a shit? At least they will have a legit PF now, knee problems or not.
Brett Favre Posted February 22, 2006 Report Posted February 22, 2006 Marbury and Francis not really. Q-Rich a little, Malik hell yeah, Curry no, and Rose expires after next year. But Martin has 5 years left with knee problems. That sorta bothers me. Then again, if he's healthy, and makes a Webber come back, we make out like bandits.
C Dubya 04 Posted February 22, 2006 Report Posted February 22, 2006 Marbury and Francis have zero chance of working well together. This should be fun to watch.
Guest Princess Leena Posted February 22, 2006 Report Posted February 22, 2006 Lol. The Knicks. They should focus on getting 3 Ben Wallace types to start with Marbury and Francis back there.
Cheech Tremendous Posted February 22, 2006 Report Posted February 22, 2006 It's going to be hilarious. I can almost picture them fighting in the backcourt over the ball. I bet Larry Brown commits suicide within a month.
Ripper Posted February 22, 2006 Report Posted February 22, 2006 If anyone is trying to argue that Steve Francis isn't a upgrade over the non playing Penny Hardaway and the non playing Trevor Ariza, they are just trying to shit on Isaiah. With Francis there, it gives him room to move Marbury, or Crawford(preferably Crawford).
Dangerous A Posted February 22, 2006 Report Posted February 22, 2006 Does anyone see the irony of Penny Hardaway, who had a huge hand in Brian Hill being fired as Magic Head coach years ago, being traded back to Orlando to be benched ...err... coached in his final season (I guarantee no one ever signs him again) by Brian Hill?
bobobrazil1984 Posted February 22, 2006 Report Posted February 22, 2006 Penny's huge expiring contract is fairly valuable, I'm fairly surprised that they used it on Steve Francis of all people. Why bring in Francis to move Marbury when you could just keep Marbury? Having just Marbury or Francis is the same thing.
Brett Favre Posted February 22, 2006 Report Posted February 22, 2006 They plan on keeping both. I see Crawford getting traded soon.
Cheech Tremendous Posted February 22, 2006 Report Posted February 22, 2006 If anyone is trying to argue that Steve Francis isn't a upgrade over the non playing Penny Hardaway and the non playing Trevor Ariza, they are just trying to shit on Isaiah. With Francis there, it gives him room to move Marbury, or Crawford(preferably Crawford). It's not shitting on Isiah. The reality of the NBA these days is putting together a winning team requires long-term planning. It's less about acquiring name players as it having moveable contracts. Flexibility is essential. The reason people question this trade is not because they are worried that Francis won't gel with the team, it's that if he doesn't their hands are tied. The Magic have been looking to move Francis for over a year. Other than a nibble from Minnesota and Denver, no one has really been interested. He and Marbury aren't really moveable because not many teams can throw $13-$18 million at a slightly above average player that hasn't shown the ability to make a team better, or be the cornerstone of a franchise. Steve Francis does not provide much of an upgrade over Penny and Ariza because he doesn't address the needs of the team. They still don't have a PG to distribute to all their shooters. He doesn't improve the defense considerably. He just takes minutes that are already going to Marbury, Crawford and Robinson, all of whom provide the exact same thing that he does.
naiwf Posted February 22, 2006 Report Posted February 22, 2006 If anyone is trying to argue that Steve Francis isn't a upgrade over the non playing Penny Hardaway and the non playing Trevor Ariza, they are just trying to shit on Isaiah. With Francis there, it gives him room to move Marbury, or Crawford(preferably Crawford). It's not shitting on Isiah. The reality of the NBA these days is putting together a winning team requires long-term planning. It's less about acquiring name players as it having moveable contracts. Flexibility is essential. The reason people question this trade is not because they are worried that Francis won't gel with the team, it's that if he doesn't their hands are tied. The Magic have been looking to move Francis for over a year. Other than a nibble from Minnesota and Denver, no one has really been interested. He and Marbury aren't really moveable because not many teams can throw $13-$18 million at a slightly above average player that hasn't shown the ability to make a team better, or be the cornerstone of a franchise. Steve Francis does not provide much of an upgrade over Penny and Ariza because he doesn't address the needs of the team. They still don't have a PG to distribute to all their shooters. He doesn't improve the defense considerably. He just takes minutes that are already going to Marbury, Crawford and Robinson, all of whom provide the exact same thing that he does. Exactly, potentially "improving" from a 25 win team to a 30 win team isn't much to be excited about.
Cheech Tremendous Posted February 22, 2006 Report Posted February 22, 2006 To expand on my previous post, look at the two teams involved in this deal and what the trade does for them instead of comparing player to player. Heading into today, the Magic had a payroll of roughly $77 million, 5th highest in the NBA. Their record was 19-33. Recognizing they have one good player (Howard), they redesigned the team to accomodate his needs. Heading into 2007 (perceived to be the strongest free agent pool in years), they will have more cap money than anyone and young guys who could have their best years in front of them locked up (Howard, Milicic, Ariza, Arroyo, etc.) Conversely, the Knicks, who had the highest payroll in the NBA, and the second worst record (15-37) added more salary long-term, got rid of a young player and did nothing to secure Frye or any other player as the future of their franchise. That is why it is a losing trade and this is why Isiah sucks. They now have a $30 million starting backcourt that might win them 30 games if they're lucky.
Guest tony manero Posted February 22, 2006 Report Posted February 22, 2006 Alright, guys, that threeway between Hous-Orl-Lakers fell apart. Still, there's a chance that Houston and LA can make a deal, sending McGrady to the Lakers. Also, look out for a threeway between Pierce (going to Houston), Odom (going to Boston) and McGrady going to LA. With that said, the most LIKELY scenario is Kenyon Martin and Lenard to the Lakers.
Guest Posted February 22, 2006 Report Posted February 22, 2006 Just get the fuck out of here with that shit. If Buss won't trade for Artest because he has an attitude problem, then he won't trade for a guy with a huge contract and knee problems. Buss pulls the strings and Kupchak is the puppet. I don't think Buss would trade fucking Sasha Vujacic for Kenyon Martin. Please just stay out of here.
Krankor Posted February 22, 2006 Report Posted February 22, 2006 Alright, guys, that threeway between Hous-Orl-Lakers fell apart. Still, there's a chance that Houston and LA can make a deal, sending McGrady to the Lakers. Also, look out for a threeway between Pierce (going to Houston), Odom (going to Boston) and McGrady going to LA. With that said, the most LIKELY scenario is Kenyon Martin and Lenard to the Lakers. Do you realize every trade you just mentioned there is completely retarded? Why would Houston trade for another big time player like Paul Pierce when they have McGrady already? Logically that doesn't make sense. Why on earth would Denver just send Martin and Lenard to the Lakers for no reason? The trade you just mentioned would have Denver receiving nothing. I'm sure they'd jump all over the opportunity to just give a couple of guys away. This is even more retarded than some of the trade scenarios I've read on ESPN Insider the past couple of days.
Dangerous A Posted February 22, 2006 Report Posted February 22, 2006 Alright, guys, that threeway between Hous-Orl-Lakers fell apart. Still, there's a chance that Houston and LA can make a deal, sending McGrady to the Lakers. Also, look out for a threeway between Pierce (going to Houston), Odom (going to Boston) and McGrady going to LA. With that said, the most LIKELY scenario is Kenyon Martin and Lenard to the Lakers. I thought that they were trying to get Devean George for Ron Artest still? I mean, aren't the Lakers teeing up to take any guy they choose? Seriously, stop. Your scenarios are Laker fanboy dreams.
Guest tony manero Posted February 22, 2006 Report Posted February 22, 2006 Just get the fuck out of here with that shit. If Buss won't trade for Artest because he has an attitude problem, then he won't trade for a guy with a huge contract and knee problems. Buss pulls the strings and Kupchak is the puppet. Dude, shut up. Just because that Hous-Orl-LA fell apart doesn't mean it was close to being done. Okay? Even Ric Bucher mentioned that T-Mac might get traded and that Houston wanted Francis back. Look it up. Still, McGrady to LA is still a possibility, but like I said, K-Mart/Watson or Lenard for expiring contracts or a mix of expiring contracts and Mihm or Kwame is what will most likely happen.
Dangerous A Posted February 22, 2006 Report Posted February 22, 2006 Alright, guys, that threeway between Hous-Orl-Lakers fell apart. Still, there's a chance that Houston and LA can make a deal, sending McGrady to the Lakers. Also, look out for a threeway between Pierce (going to Houston), Odom (going to Boston) and McGrady going to LA. With that said, the most LIKELY scenario is Kenyon Martin and Lenard to the Lakers. I thought that they were trying to get Devean George for Ron Artest still? I mean, aren't the Lakers teeing up to take any guy they choose? Seriously, stop. Your scenarios are Laker fanboy dreams.
Guest tony manero Posted February 22, 2006 Report Posted February 22, 2006 Alright, guys, that threeway between Hous-Orl-Lakers fell apart. Still, there's a chance that Houston and LA can make a deal, sending McGrady to the Lakers. Also, look out for a threeway between Pierce (going to Houston), Odom (going to Boston) and McGrady going to LA. With that said, the most LIKELY scenario is Kenyon Martin and Lenard to the Lakers. I thought that they were trying to get Devean George for Ron Artest still? I mean, aren't the Lakers teeing up to take any guy they choose? Seriously, stop. Your scenarios are Laker fanboy dreams. Wrong. The Lakers rejected Artest and Croshere for Odom.
Guest Posted February 22, 2006 Report Posted February 22, 2006 Dude, Buss wouldn't trade fucking Sasha Vujacic for Kenyon Martin. They'd have interest in Watson and nothing more. DA, usually Laker fanboys don't think of this kind of stupid shit. They aren't bright, but they're more realistic.
Cheech Tremendous Posted February 22, 2006 Report Posted February 22, 2006 Alright, guys, that threeway between Hous-Orl-Lakers fell apart. Still, there's a chance that Houston and LA can make a deal, sending McGrady to the Lakers. Also, look out for a threeway between Pierce (going to Houston), Odom (going to Boston) and McGrady going to LA. With that said, the most LIKELY scenario is Kenyon Martin and Lenard to the Lakers. You are an idiot. Quit wasting everyone's time by coming up with ludicrous trade ideas that could benefit your team.
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