Ripper 0 Report post Posted January 18, 2007 I forget what level of definition i'm watching after about 5 minutes. After that I'm just watching the show, not the fucking grass and the pixels and all that shit. I find it hard to go back to watching standard definition after watching HD. I'm not thinking "this is only 480 instead of 1080," but I'm thinking "man, this looks out of focus." My brain recognizes the difference right away. Add to the fact that digital cable makes SD things generally look crappy on a big HDTV, and I know what you mean. Good christ that was stupid. ANALOG is generally what you will have issues with, and no matter the source for your SD, if you have artifacts it will only be magnified the bigger the set goes. I swear, it's like retards are all up in this bitch. You know full fucking well that HD tuners have a problem decoding SD signals, when it is from the built in tuners or the ones that the cable company gives you. Bottom line if you get a HD TV, you might as well be prepared to get a shitter SD picture. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SuperJerk 0 Report post Posted January 18, 2007 More like stupidity. Yeah, people who come to an incorrect conclusion about why their picture quality is inferior are obviously operating at a lower cognitive capacity. Said conclusion couldn't possibly be because they are just being ignorant of all of the nuances of how two pieces of recently invented compatible technology interact under different operating conditions. You might as well just destroy the entire human race now, so we don't pollute the gene pool with our misunderstanding of the beloved product you make a living from. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MrRant 0 Report post Posted January 18, 2007 I forget what level of definition i'm watching after about 5 minutes. After that I'm just watching the show, not the fucking grass and the pixels and all that shit. I find it hard to go back to watching standard definition after watching HD. I'm not thinking "this is only 480 instead of 1080," but I'm thinking "man, this looks out of focus." My brain recognizes the difference right away. Add to the fact that digital cable makes SD things generally look crappy on a big HDTV, and I know what you mean. Good christ that was stupid. ANALOG is generally what you will have issues with, and no matter the source for your SD, if you have artifacts it will only be magnified the bigger the set goes. I swear, it's like retards are all up in this bitch. You know full fucking well that HD tuners have a problem decoding SD signals, when it is from the built in tuners or the ones that the cable company gives you. Bottom line if you get a HD TV, you might as well be prepared to get a shitter SD picture. I said what again? Oh yeah, analog. An ADS market doesn't usually have that issue unless there are artifacts due to poor signal into the home which will be magnified by a bigger screen. If you don't live in a market that is ADS? Then yes, it will look like crap due to the nature of the beast, not so much the tuner. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SuperJerk 0 Report post Posted January 18, 2007 This is the part where I ask what an "artifact" is, so MrRant can spend a paragraph destroying my self-esteem before finally revealing the answer. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MarvinisaLunatic 0 Report post Posted January 18, 2007 I forget what level of definition i'm watching after about 5 minutes. After that I'm just watching the show, not the fucking grass and the pixels and all that shit. I find it hard to go back to watching standard definition after watching HD. I'm not thinking "this is only 480 instead of 1080," but I'm thinking "man, this looks out of focus." My brain recognizes the difference right away. Add to the fact that digital cable makes SD things generally look crappy on a big HDTV, and I know what you mean. Good christ that was stupid. ANALOG is generally what you will have issues with, and no matter the source for your SD, if you have artifacts it will only be magnified the bigger the set goes. I swear, it's like retards are all up in this bitch. You know full fucking well that HD tuners have a problem decoding SD signals, when it is from the built in tuners or the ones that the cable company gives you. Bottom line if you get a HD TV, you might as well be prepared to get a shitter SD picture. The tuner has nothing to do with it. The fact of the problem is that your cable/satellite box is getting a 480i (SD) signal and it gets upconverted to whatever resolution it outputs to. Not only is that a big problem, but some of you may have not yet discovered that you need to set your box to output to the native resolution of your TV in order to get the best possible picture. If you dont, the picture has to go through another conversion (up or down depending on all the settings) and it will wreck the picture even more. A couple more tips for good SD picture: 1) Dont stretch the damn picture (obvious) 2) Use HDMI/DVI instead of Component to avoid conversion of the signal from digital to analog and thus introducing more degradation in the picture quality 3) Dont have satellite, specifically Directv, because the picture is compressed to hell to start with and it will just look worse. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SuperJerk 0 Report post Posted January 18, 2007 some of you may have not yet discovered that you need to set your box to output to the native resolution of your TV in order to get the best possible picture. If you dont, the picture has to go through another conversion (up or down depending on all the settings) and it will wreck the picture even more. What? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MarvinisaLunatic 0 Report post Posted January 18, 2007 some of you may have not yet discovered that you need to set your box to output to the native resolution of your TV in order to get the best possible picture. If you dont, the picture has to go through another conversion (up or down depending on all the settings) and it will wreck the picture even more. What? Well, I may have jumped the gun by assuming you have an HD capable box..but the HD boxes all have some way of setting the output resolution so that you can match it with the tv's native resolution. My HD Tivo has a setting in one of the menus for it but it can also be changed directly off the remote by pressing up on the directional pad at the top. I have it set to output to 1080i because my CRT is 1080i native, if I had a plasma/lcd it would be set to 720p (and I have no idea what would happen if I had a 1080p capable set). It can also be set to 480i and 480p although I dont understand why. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Craig Th 0 Report post Posted January 18, 2007 Yeah, I could set my cable box to 480i for SD channels. But when I do that, it switches from 1080i to 480i on the box and it takes an extra few seconds to change. It's a pain in the ass, so I just leave it at 1080i. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MrRant 0 Report post Posted January 18, 2007 This is the part where I ask what an "artifact" is, so MrRant can spend a paragraph destroying my self-esteem before finally revealing the answer. http://lettertoamerica.podbus.com/pictures...Problem%201.jpg Not usually that bad but the picture may break up with similar blocks or artifacts. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SuperJerk 0 Report post Posted January 18, 2007 some of you may have not yet discovered that you need to set your box to output to the native resolution of your TV in order to get the best possible picture. If you dont, the picture has to go through another conversion (up or down depending on all the settings) and it will wreck the picture even more. What? Well, I may have jumped the gun by assuming you have an HD capable box..but the HD boxes all have some way of setting the output resolution so that you can match it with the tv's native resolution. My HD Tivo has a setting in one of the menus for it but it can also be changed directly off the remote by pressing up on the directional pad at the top. I have it set to output to 1080i because my CRT is 1080i native, if I had a plasma/lcd it would be set to 720p (and I have no idea what would happen if I had a 1080p capable set). It can also be set to 480i and 480p although I dont understand why. No, I have a HD box. It was the part about the second conversion that threw me. Now that I think about it, watching a 480 image when its set to 1080 does distort the picture. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SuperJerk 0 Report post Posted January 18, 2007 This is the part where I ask what an "artifact" is, so MrRant can spend a paragraph destroying my self-esteem before finally revealing the answer. http://lettertoamerica.podbus.com/pictures...Problem%201.jpg Not usually that bad but the picture may break up with similar blocks or artifacts. If those are artifacts, I must have the television equivalent to Indiana Jones. When I watch my DirecTV stations, I also get a lot of fuzzy, random pixels around static images. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ripper 0 Report post Posted January 18, 2007 I forget what level of definition i'm watching after about 5 minutes. After that I'm just watching the show, not the fucking grass and the pixels and all that shit. I find it hard to go back to watching standard definition after watching HD. I'm not thinking "this is only 480 instead of 1080," but I'm thinking "man, this looks out of focus." My brain recognizes the difference right away. Add to the fact that digital cable makes SD things generally look crappy on a big HDTV, and I know what you mean. Good christ that was stupid. ANALOG is generally what you will have issues with, and no matter the source for your SD, if you have artifacts it will only be magnified the bigger the set goes. I swear, it's like retards are all up in this bitch. You know full fucking well that HD tuners have a problem decoding SD signals, when it is from the built in tuners or the ones that the cable company gives you. Bottom line if you get a HD TV, you might as well be prepared to get a shitter SD picture. The tuner has nothing to do with it. The fact of the problem is that your cable/satellite box is getting a 480i (SD) signal and it gets upconverted to whatever resolution it outputs to. Not only is that a big problem, but some of you may have not yet discovered that you need to set your box to output to the native resolution of your TV in order to get the best possible picture. If you dont, the picture has to go through another conversion (up or down depending on all the settings) and it will wreck the picture even more. A couple more tips for good SD picture: 1) Dont stretch the damn picture (obvious) 2) Use HDMI/DVI instead of Component to avoid conversion of the signal from digital to analog and thus introducing more degradation in the picture quality 3) Dont have satellite, specifically Directv, because the picture is compressed to hell to start with and it will just look worse. The best possible picture will still be inferiour because of the HD tuners are made for outputing the higher resoloution. Yes doing what you said will get you a better picture, but it will still not compare to a regular SD television because when you have these single tuner devices (the box or your TV) the tuner puts the HD stuff at a higher priority. Thats why tvs with a dedicated tuner to HD and a dedicated one to SD can get that great picture quality. But for cost reason most tv makers have said fuck that. Especially since shitty SD resolution hasn't stopped people from buying a shit load of HDTV's anyway. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dobbs 3K 0 Report post Posted January 18, 2007 Hey, MrRant, go fuck yourself. I know the difference between analog and digital. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MarvinisaLunatic 0 Report post Posted January 19, 2007 Hey, MrRant, go fuck yourself. I know the difference between analog and digital. NTSC vs ATSC! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
the max 0 Report post Posted January 28, 2007 Next week, two of my favorite movies of all-time on fabulous HD Net Movies... Caddyshack, followed by Real Genius. Awesomeness. I'm debating calling off work. And I built an entertainment unit around my tv that came out surprisingly well. Didn't know I had the carpentry skills, but I guess the equation goes: Max + spare lumber + boredom x a week of unused vacation hours = new entertainment center. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Craig Th 0 Report post Posted January 28, 2007 Pictures! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fökai 0 Report post Posted January 28, 2007 So if I'm paying for 80 analog channels, and my new Philips 37" LCD (YEAH!) picked up most to all of the 200 digital channels that tack on an extra $39.95 to a cable bill, will Time Warner realize this? Not that I don't mind them blocking the extra channels, even though they include ABCHD, FOXHD, NBCHD and CW, but will they say that I'm committing an illegal act? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MarvinisaLunatic 0 Report post Posted January 28, 2007 So if I'm paying for 80 analog channels, and my new Philips 37" LCD (YEAH!) picked up most to all of the 200 digital channels that tack on an extra $39.95 to a cable bill, will Time Warner realize this? Not that I don't mind them blocking the extra channels, even though they include ABCHD, FOXHD, NBCHD and CW, but will they say that I'm committing an illegal act? Your TV has a QAM tuner in it and your cable company doesn't scramble the digital channels. The QAM tuner can pick up the unscrambled digital channels your cable company feeds. It probably also has a Cable Card slot to allow reception of the scrambled channels without a cable box. As far as the legality goes, if they aren't scrambling them then you are fine..but odds are good at some point they'll wise up and scramble them, especially if they are already offering a digital channels package. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CanadianGuitarist 0 Report post Posted January 29, 2007 Next week, two of my favorite movies of all-time on fabulous HD Net Movies... Caddyshack, followed by Real Genius. Awesomeness. I'm debating calling off work. And I built an entertainment unit around my tv that came out surprisingly well. Didn't know I had the carpentry skills, but I guess the equation goes: Max + spare lumber + boredom x a week of unused vacation hours = new entertainment center. It's not related to HD in any way yet (unless Marvin or Mole knows something I don't)....ever catch that commercial for the Golf Channel Cinema's debut last winter? Vince Cellini did voice-overs, and when he got to "cinema", they kept looping over Judge Smails "su-su-su-sucks?" Delightful. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MarvinisaLunatic 0 Report post Posted January 29, 2007 Next week, two of my favorite movies of all-time on fabulous HD Net Movies... Caddyshack, followed by Real Genius. Awesomeness. I'm debating calling off work. And I built an entertainment unit around my tv that came out surprisingly well. Didn't know I had the carpentry skills, but I guess the equation goes: Max + spare lumber + boredom x a week of unused vacation hours = new entertainment center. It's not related to HD in any way yet (unless Marvin or Mole knows something I don't)....ever catch that commercial for the Golf Channel Cinema's debut last winter? Vince Cellini did voice-overs, and when he got to "cinema", they kept looping over Judge Smails "su-su-su-sucks?" Delightful. Golf Channel's going to HD soon. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SuperJerk 0 Report post Posted January 30, 2007 Golf Channel's going to HD soon. WHY? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dandy 0 Report post Posted January 30, 2007 Easier to track the ball??? see the breaks on the green??? Because every channel will end up as HD??? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MarvinisaLunatic 0 Report post Posted January 30, 2007 Golf Channel's going to HD soon. WHY? Golf Channel got the rights to a lot of PGA Tournaments for the Thursday/Friday play. Also, its not just going to be Golf Channel HD, Comcast which owns Golf Channel is going to merge it with VS HD for VS' HD programming which consists entirely of low ratings HD Hockey (less than 500,000 people watched the All Star Game last week). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SuperJerk 0 Report post Posted January 30, 2007 Easier to track the ball??? see the breaks on the green??? Because every channel will end up as HD??? I guess I just didn't realize that old men walking and slowly hitting tiny balls into tiny holes was the kind of action-packed programming the HD market had been waiting for. My mistake. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MarvinisaLunatic 0 Report post Posted January 30, 2007 Easier to track the ball??? see the breaks on the green??? Because every channel will end up as HD??? I guess I just didn't realize that old men walking and slowly hitting tiny balls into tiny holes was the kind of action-packed programming the HD market had been waiting for. My mistake. I watched some of the Masters last year in HD on CBS.. The scenery is much nicer to look at, the colors being improved make the greens really green and the sky really blue, and etc..Ultimately enough though, the game is as boring as hell and it being in HD wouldn't be enough to get me to watch regularly. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CanadianGuitarist 0 Report post Posted January 30, 2007 Easier to track the ball??? see the breaks on the green??? Because every channel will end up as HD??? I guess I just didn't realize that old men walking and slowly hitting tiny balls into tiny holes was the kind of action-packed programming the HD market had been waiting for. My mistake. Trust me, even though you're clearly not a golf fan - Watch the Masters in HD in April on CBS. Most beautiful thing you'll ever see. Also, broads think Tiger's hot. Tiger in HD = new demographic reached. Edit: Dammit. Beat to it by about ten seconds. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dandy 0 Report post Posted January 30, 2007 Just because you don't like the sport or channel doesn't mean there aren't big followers of it. Hell, I wouldn't watch an Xtreme Sports channel in standard def, but I guarantee there would be people eating it up if they had an HD channel for that. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dandy 0 Report post Posted January 30, 2007 Just because you don't like the sport or channel doesn't mean there aren't big followers of it. Hell, I wouldn't watch an Xtreme Sports channel in standard def, but I guarantee there would be people eating it up if they had an HD channel for that. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Craig Th 0 Report post Posted January 30, 2007 My dad LOVES golf and is always watching the Golf Channel. When he gets his HDTV, he'll be pumped. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Smues Report post Posted January 30, 2007 My bosses have DirectTV (or Dish, one of those companies) hooked up to the office, yet today we're having cable installed as well solely so one of my bosses can get the golf channel. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
